Tuesday, June 9th 2015

AMD Radeon Graphics Roadmap for 2015 Leaked

It looks like AMD's desktop discrete GPU lineup for 2015 will see a mix of rebrands, re-codename, and one big new chip, all making up the new Radeon R7 300 and R9 300 series. Cards based in this lineup should begin rolling out this month. Leaks from OEMs such as this one, suggest that the first of these should begin rolling out as early as June 16.

The spread is pretty cut and dry. "Hawaii," the chip driving the R9 290 series, will not only get a new codename as "Grenada," but also a seamless rebrand to the R9 390 series, with Grenada Pro making up the R9 390, and Grenada XT making up the R9 390X. One possibility could be AMD taking advantage of low 4 Gbit GDDR5 chip prices to cram 8 GB of standard memory amount, across Grenada's 512-bit wide memory interface. The R9 390X will compete with the GeForce GTX 970, while the R9 390 will offer an option in the vast price and performance gorge between the GTX 960 and GTX 970.
The R9 280 series, has been a messy affair, with two chips, "Tahiti" (re-branded from the HD 7900 series, which dates back to 2012); and the newer "Tonga" silicon, which has similar specs to Tahiti, but a more modern Graphics CoreNext 1.2 stream processor implementation, which offers bare-metal support for Direct3D feature-level 12_0. This chip will get a fresh codename as "Antigua," and will drive a single SKU, the R9 380. The R9 380 could feature 4 GB of standard memory amount (either 4 GB using eight chips is cheaper than 3 GB using twelve chips, or 3 GB is a hard-sell). The R9 380 will compete with the GTX 960.

The "x70" moniker will get demoted from the Radeon R9 series, down to Radeon R7. There will be just one SKU, the Radeon R7 270, and it will be driven by the "Trinidad" silicon, which is a new code-name for "Curacao" (in turn "Pitcairn.") Again, one can expect similar specs to the older generation, but with standard memory amount doubled, to 4 GB. The "Tobago" silicon is a new code-name for "Bonaire," and will drive the R7 360. The "Oland" driven R7 250 will carry on unchanged.

"Fiji" is the only new chip here, and it's apparent that there will be not one, but two SKUs with a fancy SKU name. "Radeon Fury" is doing the rounds. The top-end part will ship with an AIO liquid cooling solution, while the second-best one could be air-cooled. We predict that Fiji XT could [attempt to] compete with NVIDIA's GM200-based SKUs, namely the GTX 980 Ti and the GTX TITAN X; while the Fiji Pro could give the GTX 980 a run for its money.
Source: VideoCardz
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66 Comments on AMD Radeon Graphics Roadmap for 2015 Leaked

#2
FourtyTwo
This confirms the disappointing AMD 300 lineup - I rebrand, you rebrand, we rebrand.
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#3
NC37
FourtyTwo
This confirms the disappointing AMD 300 lineup - I rebrand, you rebrand, we rebrand.
And yet elsewhere it is stated this is not a simple rebrand but just a refinement of the old GPUs. An upgrade of the design. Which is more plausible imo because they need Freesync support across their line and they don't have that with the 200s. So a simple rebrand wouldn't do.
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#4
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
FourtyTwo
This confirms the disappointing AMD 300 lineup - I rebrand, you rebrand, we rebrand.
Would have worked if they bumped the numbers down and made Fiji the R9 390. OTOH you don't have to learn any new numbers. I dunno which way is less confusing. Using old cards if there's something new on the top is fine though IMO.

EDIT: I am assuming they have tweaked the things.
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#5
bubbleawsome
Grenada and Antigua at least are refinements of Hawaii and Tonga. Not sure about the "new" trinidad, if it is refined from it's current incarnation.
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#6
xkm1948
Seriously underwhelming. If they position Fiji Pro price over 650, I am getting 980Ti for sure.
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#7
snakefist
Why is this particularly disappointing to anyone? Meanwhile, in camp-green, there is whole new line of GPUs. every single one is NOT a rebrand, but a whole new Maxwel?

Both companies are waiting to serious, forge-based process advancement and large improvement which the new 14-16 FinFET (or whatever will come out of either - things are not much clearer now than last year, or year before) will bring. This lasts much longer than anyone anticipated...

Current process is mature enough, or too mature perhaps, and there is just few things to do with 28 process. Meanwhile, we'll have rebranding, price-juggling and suchforth. Oh, almost forgot, NVIDIA has 10 chips of Pascal made - just the same as they were waving around with finished Maxwel more than a year than it actually came out.

I don't blame any of them, companies without foundries have to wait for a new process. Adjusting whole GPU line (for either of them) to yet-another-28-based-iteration would be just counterproductive...
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#8
Octopuss
NC37
And yet elsewhere it is stated this is not a simple rebrand but just a refinement of the old GPUs. An upgrade of the design. Which is more plausible imo because they need Freesync support across their line and they don't have that with the 200s. So a simple rebrand wouldn't do.
That doesn't matter too much when the performance is likely to remain the same. I mean what the hell, recycling the same GPUs over and over for what, 3 years? Really? Once, fine. There are always small improvements that can be achieved, plus why not do it when the original product sold and peformed well, but this? Why would anyone even thinking about buying that?
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#9
xvi
I could understand a rebrand or two, but nothing more than tweaks for nearly all of their lineup? Not only that, but a rebrand of a rebrand?
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#10
GhostRyder
I think the term "rebrand" is being misused across the web regarding these GPU's. While they have done actual rebrands (IE HD 7970 becomes R9 280X) that offer no improvements over the previous generation (Minus clock bumps) these new chips are all being refined similar to the Tonga R9 285 which bring improvements and new features across the board instead of just an increase in clocks speeds and ram. The chips will be improved upon in more ways than one if the R9 285 was any indication especially now a days where it sits on the board currently in relation to the other R9 series chips. They already confirmed that the R9 370+ were on the newest version of GCN so it depends on what that all entails but these are not just straight up rebrands.
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#11
Nejc
I really don´t understand all the hate towards ATI.. it´s not as if nVidia changed the world, they put some space between stuff where there previosly wasn´t to make the arhitecture more efficient, resulting in less that a decent light bulb of difference in savings versus the ATI cards.. and yet they get nothing but praise.. for what.. the standard 980 is around 25% faster than the standard 290 for 200% the cost where I come from.. and the 290 consumes 63W more power.. it would take a little over 2 YEARS of constant full-load to get the price difference in.. so ATI didn´t bother innovating something that was "good enough" until the 28nm finally bittes the dust.. so freaking what.. they are there to compute ones and zeros.. and last I checked.. the R9 290 does just fine with that

and I myself own a Strix GTX960.. why? I wanted a silent and decent card.. why not the Strix R9 285 then? this one was cheaper.. it´s that simple, why you need to fanboy about irrelevant stuff is just.. beyond me
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#12
Disparia
Very nice, I always hated the scheme with the "X" (same goes for Ti with nVidia) and most of that is cut out of the next series.
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#13
Batou1986
Let me fix that for you AMD
GhostRyder
I think the term "rebrand" is being misused across the web regarding these GPU's. While they have done actual rebrands (IE HD 7970 becomes R9 280X) that offer no improvements over the previous generation (Minus clock bumps) these new chips are all being refined similar to the Tonga R9 285 which bring improvements and new features across the board instead of just an increase in clocks speeds and ram. The chips will be improved upon in more ways than one if the R9 285 was any indication especially now a days where it sits on the board currently in relation to the other R9 series chips. They already confirmed that the R9 370+ were on the newest version of GCN so it depends on what that all entails but these are not just straight up rebrands.
For the record the R9-285 is slower than a 7950/280 99% of the time and has 1gb less ram for the same price.
I wouldn't call that an improvement.
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#14
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
I think Fury was born from a card priced higher than 390X but with less memory. That situation almost demands it be separated.

I can't see myself buying a 4 GiB card and I think a lot of people that would otherwise consider Fury won't for the same reason. I can't see Fury being a market success because it's a cripple out of the starting gate. AMD really screwed up there.

As for the rest, I think the days of brand new silicon are gone because DirectX has unified the hardware. GCN is not unlike x86--we're still using x86 derived processors decades after its inception. So long as there was a die shrink and some fine tuning, I think this is the new normal.
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#15
FourtyTwo
Batou1986
Let me fix that for you AMD

For the record the R9-285 is slower than a 7950/280 99% of the time and has 1gb less ram for the same price.
I wouldn't call that an improvement.
Nice :).
Isn't the R9 285 a new chip (Tonga) released in 2014?
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#16
Mistral
FordGT90Concept
I can't see myself buying a 4 GiB card and I think a lot of people that would otherwise consider Fury won't for the same reason.
Pray tell, how many games are even close to using 4GB of ram? Even at 4K, for the few that care about it.
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#17
Batou1986
FourtyTwo
Nice :).
Isn't the R9 285 a new chip (Tonga) released in 2014?
The real question is why spend $ to dev a new chip that performs worse or on par with your old chips
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#18
RejZoR
I was waiting this whoole time, thinking HBM will be the high end, just to realize everything will be a tiny refresh and the Fiji is a total Titan high end. Which is so out of my reach it's not even funny. Which is a big F U.
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#19
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Mistral
Pray tell, how many games are even close to using 4GB of ram? Even at 4K, for the few that care about it.
GTA5 wants 6 GiB for 4K. Many games will follow thanks to games turning 64-bit, Direct3D 12, and consoles having 8 GiB of memory. Everything that previously stopped games from using ridiculous amounts of memory are now gone--the sky is the limit and 4 GiB isn't a very high limit.
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#20
GhostRyder
Batou1986
Let me fix that for you AMD
For the record the R9-285 is slower than a 7950/280 99% of the time and has 1gb less ram for the same price.
I wouldn't call that an improvement.
That is not true...(Besides the 1gb less part)
tpucdn.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_960_OC/images/perfrel_1920.gif
Quite a bit higher according to this chart on 1080p and 1440p...Most other reviews I have seen paint a similar picture...
RejZoR
I was waiting this whoole time, thinking HBM will be the high end, just to realize everything will be a tiny refresh and the Fiji is a total Titan high end. Which is so out of my reach it's not even funny. Which is a big F U.
Bear in mind that pricing is not revealed yet, the leaks put the 390X around $400 so its likely the Fiji Pro could be $650 ish range.

I still say save the reservations until we get some actual performance numbers.
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#22
Nihilus
I think AMD developers have been in Fiji the last couple of years. What is going on here?!
First off the naming scheme: during the HD 3000-4000 days the x8xx was the top tier. Then during the
HD 6000-7000 days the called the x9xx top tier and x8xx 2nd level. NOW, it looks like the x9x will be 2nd tier.
What will the top tier even be called?? 395/395x?? and what of the dual card? 399??
Then there is the re-branding. Right now I own a Richland APU 6400k so I can have a dGPU for BOINC. A CPU released in 2013. When I upgrade the chip, I see no reason to get the FM2+ motherboard since the A10-7850k is no improvement to the 6800k. In fact the A10-6800k O/Cs much better and the can be found for cheap because people want to upgrade to the "better" chip. Even the shiny new "Godvari" can't match the 6800k's potential. A chip release a full 2 years later.
I hope the enjoyed their 2 year vacation.
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#23
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
USAdystopia
Pleasant surprise coming, soon.
I expect that to be Fiji Pro. I expect it to have competitive pricing to GTX 980 with much higher performance, making it the next 7950 Pro, HD 5850, HD 6950, HD 7950, R9 290. If you're building for summer and you think you don't have the money for super-high-end, but just enough money for a GTX 980, hold.
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#24
awesomesauce
something is missing... nintendo NX? :rolleyes:
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#25
xkm1948
btarunr
I expect that to be Fiji Pro. I expect it to have competitive pricing to GTX 980 with much higher performance, making it the next 7950 Pro, HD 5850, HD 6950, HD 7950, R9 290. If you're building for summer and you think you don't have the money for super-high-end, but just enough money for a GTX 980, hold.
Wow hold it there. So I am assuming you have some insider information on the pricing then? If they can get Fiji pro into 499 price range(which I assume is the current price of 980) then it will be totally different. It may even force down the price of the 980Ti!

No matter what is gonna happen I am glad I held onto my money and didn't buy 970 like another member here was nagging me to do so. :D
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