Friday, May 20th 2016

Colorful and Bykski Announce Liquid Cooling Ready GTX 1080 FE Bundle

Colorful and China-based liquid cooling components maker Bykski announced GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition graphics cards with bundled full-coverage water blocks, at a $100 premium (so that's a $100 premium over a $100 premium, over the $599 MSRP, totaling $799 for a card based on the second-biggest "Pascal" chip, kudos!). At this time, Colorful seems to be playing safe, and merely bundling the block with the card, so you could fit it yourself, just so it could get the bundle out on the shelves by May 27. In the near future (after NVIDIA has milked early adopters dry), Colorful could launch a "custom design" product (think of it as NVIDIA reference PCB with this block factory-fitted), which could likely lack the "Founders Edition" badge, and perhaps even be $100 cheaper.
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26 Comments on Colorful and Bykski Announce Liquid Cooling Ready GTX 1080 FE Bundle

#1
dj-electric
Pay 100$ extra for some metal and than strip it off and put a 100$ block.
Genius.
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#2
Caring1
They couldn't even etch their name correctly, it looks more like 3ykski.
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#3
TheinsanegamerN
I highly doubt they would fit the block by hand and sell it $100 cheaper, considering most, if not all, customers who would buy a water cooled card with a block would be fine setting it up themselves, and colourful would be loosing $100 in profit. That $599 price point for the 1080 is going to be vaporware.

After all, why not release your custom cooled card at $700, if people are obviously willing to pay $700 for the junk stock cooler, theyll pay that much for a good cooler.
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#4
trog100
TheinsanegamerN said:
I highly doubt they would fit the block by hand and sell it $100 cheaper, considering most, if not all, customers who would buy a water cooled card with a block would be fine setting it up themselves, and colourful would be loosing $100 in profit. That $599 price point for the 1080 is going to be vaporware.

After all, why not release your custom cooled card at $700, if people are obviously willing to pay $700 for the junk stock cooler, theyll pay that much for a good cooler.
probably good for overclocking the shit out of.. he he

it will be interesting to see which price partner cards mostly come at.. $599 or $699.. i recon the latter.. i dont see many at $599.. he he

trog
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#5
medi01
trog100 said:
probably good for overclocking the shit out of.. he he
Toms had doubts about single power connector being enough, i.e. OCing being rather power limited.

1080 is rated to go up to 92 or 97C so temps (what was there, 87?) alone weren't a problem.

Although, chips are more effective at lower temps, so it would still help with OCing.

PS
Have you seen this guys?
"XFX leaked that 490x is coming in June"
(I wonder if that was a "surprise" AMD was talking about and if that's the reason there are no benches of 1070 so far)


(some random chat on semiaccurate, so take it with a sack of salt :D)
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#6
Caring1
TheinsanegamerN said:
That $599 price point for the 1080 is going to be vaporware.
That $599 price point is bait. Nothing else.
I'll believe it when they hit the market at that price.
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#7
AsRock
TPU addict
trog100 said:
probably good for overclocking the shit out of.. he he

it will be interesting to see which price partner cards mostly come at.. $599 or $699.. i recon the latter.. i dont see many at $599.. he he

trog
Been watching a few youtube vids on people adding a block with little gains, if i was in the market for a new card and wanted a water cooled 1080 i would wait until custom 1080 were released.
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#8
dozenfury
Caring1 said:
That $599 price point is bait. Nothing else.
I'll believe it when they hit the market at that price.
I won't ever pay over MSRP, so doesn't matter.
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#9
yogurt_21
how in the world is that card supposed to fit in that box?
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#10
GhostRyder
medi01 said:
Toms had doubts about single power connector being enough, i.e. OCing being rather power limited.

1080 is rated to go up to 92 or 97C so temps (what was there, 87?) alone weren't a problem.

Although, chips are more effective at lower temps, so it would still help with OCing.

PS
Have you seen this guys?
"XFX leaked that 490x is coming in June"
(I wonder if that was a "surprise" AMD was talking about and if that's the reason there are no benches of 1070 so far)


(some random chat on semiaccurate, so take it with a sack of salt :D)
Even if it is rated for that, we can then push it easier and better on water. I too am curious about the single power connector, but if we have learned anything from the R9 295X2 its that screw specifications and bring on the power (Since the 2 8 pin was able to push well beyond the specifications the card should have been limited to). Also though if you want to talk 490X, might be better to make a thread about it instead of posting it here.

Caring1 said:
That $599 price point is bait. Nothing else.
I'll believe it when they hit the market at that price.
Yea, but we have already seen some plastic shroud versions announced that should be at that price point (Or at least close) which to me begs the question as to what is stopping us from buying those for less and slapping a water block.

I find this to be very dumb yet smart... Its stupid because why are you paying the premium for the shroud if your not going to use it. The smart part comes in from the bonus money they are getting from it... I guess they think we want it for an expensive wall hanger?
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#11
Grings
Never heard of Bykski before, they have loads of blocks for non-reference cards, interesting
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#12
cadaveca
My name is Dave
Dj-ElectriC said:
Pay 100$ extra for some metal and than strip it off and put a 100$ block.
Genius.
You didn't see the 2nd 8-pin power connector?
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#13
GhostRyder
cadaveca said:
You didn't see the 2nd 8-pin power connector?
Are we sure something is actually there though? The only reason I question it is because the lack of the spot in that first picture, the second one is a bit blurry and just looks like there could be something there, and looking at the founders edition card cooler there is not a spot for the second 8 pin connector unless they modify it. Kind of curious if it will include it though because if its still just the reference PCB with and extra 8 pin I wonder how much improvement that would add.
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#15
MrGenius
You'd have to be pretty blind to not see both of them. Or in a massive state of denial. Or both. The board was built for 2...not 1. 1 is probably just for FE/reference cards. These are probably going to be custom cards "which could likely lack the "Founders Edition" badge".



On the 490X BS. Are you serious? They don't even have the 480X ready for show(tentatively scheduled for release on July 1st). But the 490X will be here even sooner!!! Yeah right!!! The successor to "Grenada"/390(X) is "Vega10"/490(X). "Vega" isn't coming until October. If even then. AMD will be close to tits up by then. And "Vega" will not likely save their ass from going bust even if they make it that long. "Navi" is a pipe dream and a half. AMD will be long dead by then.
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#16
Slizzo
What's funny is that the first pic of just the block only has the one opening for a power connector. Second picture shows what could be a second opening.

What to believe? Nothing. Not until a retail board is in someone's hand.
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#17
MrGenius
I'd say you can pretty safely believe that they didn't provide a location to solder another power connector on the board for no reason. And it's almost certainly going to be used by someone at some point. I'd call it a fairly educated guess to assume so anyway. Not too much speculation involved there.
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#18
cadaveca
My name is Dave
MrGenius said:
I'd say you can pretty safely believe that they didn't provide a location to solder another power connector on the board for no reason. And it's almost certainly going to be used by someone at some point. I'd call it a fairly educated guess to assume so anyway. Not too much speculation involved there.
There are also huge parts of the board's VRM section for MOSFETs that are not used. But given the low power consumption of this GPU, one might question why such would even be needed, unless they were serving up crap GPUs with abnormally high power consumption. That said, I'm 8 beers in, so WTF do I know at this point? Not much.
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#19
Vayra86
MrGenius said:
You'd have to be pretty blind to not see both of them. Or in a massive state of denial. Or both. The board was built for 2...not 1. 1 is probably just for FE/reference cards. These are probably going to be custom cards "which could likely lack the "Founders Edition" badge".



On the 490X BS. Are you serious? They don't even have the 480X ready for show(tentatively scheduled for release on July 1st). But the 490X will be here even sooner!!! Yeah right!!! The successor to "Grenada"/390(X) is "Vega10"/490(X). "Vega" isn't coming until October. If even then. AMD will be close to tits up by then. And "Vega" will not likely save their ass from going bust even if they make it that long. "Navi" is a pipe dream and a half. AMD will be long dead by then.
Oh look, AMD will be dead by the time they release their next product. That seems to be their favorite stretch goal these last ten years. Or at least we are made to think so :roll:
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#20
MrGenius
I actually hope it isn't the case. But I'm pretty much forced to believe they screwed the pooch big time on this one. Nvidia is about to strike the death blow with the GTX 1070.
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#21
Vayra86
MrGenius said:
I actually hope it isn't the case. But I'm pretty much forced to believe they screwed the pooch big time on this one. Nvidia is about to strike the death blow with the GTX 1070.
To be honest, I'd rather say that the enthusiasm so far on that release is pretty limited. It is over here at least. Not really that hyped, both cards are overpriced for their perf gains so there is more than enough wiggle room - for both Nvidia and AMD.

My current stance on this release is that it's only really good for those in the market for second hand 980ti. Those are already getting dirt cheap and they will turn out to be *very* cost effective purchases now. Over here, 450 eur is now the price for a 3-6 month old 980ti. Now consider the launch price of 1080 FE at 739 eur.... Yup :)

Basically all this card release does is flood the market for second hand upgraders, because the actual perf gain will be so limited. And that is something neither Nvidia or AMD have anything to gain from - they only lose, and they both do. I think many people don't realise that this 1080 is not 'the 4K card', it is the 1440p card. The 1080 is benched on games at 4K and produces 30-40 fps... playable but far from worth investing in. Now how big is that market really? If you want 4K, you're sitting on a 980ti SLI right now or you've invested in Fury X, if you're upgrading, it will be super marginal gain, and since 970 was one of the best selling cards on the market, anyone below the 980ti price point is already more than sorted.

Hope you see where I'm getting at with this: the timing of this release , while most are convinced otherwise, is really not a good time. And to release the 104 SKU first in the current marketplace, with so many people looking at new tech (4K, VR) and very high perf levels, may very well give AMD the time they need to go big on their next release. They already (say) they moved Vega up, and Polaris will offer a 104 SKU equivalent in any case. AMD gets to strike back and not get swamped because let's face it, that happened with the 970 already and those people have almost no incentive whatsoever right now. They are not going to spend the end result of 1,3 - 1,4 times the price of a 980ti to get to near-980ti perf levels, which is the 1070.
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#22
MrGenius
My reply to that is I don't see VR or 4K gaming as being very big on anyone's everyone's list at present. What most folks want now is a relatively cheap card(GTX 1070) that destroys everything else on the table except for the spendier stuff(and arguably some of that stuff too). And Nvidia can easily stand to lose some sales to the second-hand market. Where as it's going to seriously hurt AMD. So in that sense AMD is doubly screwed now. They are probably going to be toast. And soon I'm afraid. No joke. It scares me. As soon as the news about the GTX 1070 hit, my heart sank. It spells disaster for AMD a clearly as it can be written on the wall. The GTX 1070 is what most of us want. What most of us can afford. And loyalty to AMD is not going to prevent most of us from either buying a 1070 or one of the second-hand 970/980s you speak of. "Near-980Ti perf levels" is a bit of a misnomer. Since the 1070 is not only slightly faster, it's more future proof with higher bandwidth/GBs. I'm willing to spend a little more for that. And get a brand new card as opposed to a used one. But that's just me.

cadaveca said:
There are also huge parts of the board's VRM section for MOSFETs that are not used. But given the low power consumption of this GPU, one might question why such would even be needed, unless they were serving up crap GPUs with abnormally high power consumption. That said, I'm 8 beers in, so WTF do I know at this point? Not much.
I don't know for sure. But I tend to side with W1zzard. I'm betting the lack of power supply through a single 8-pin and/or an under powered VRM is going to limit OC potential.
Maximum overclock of our sample is +453 MHz to the GPU's base clock, which increases max Boost from 1898 MHz to 2114 MHz (11% overclock), and 1450 MHz on the memory (16% overclock).

These are very good results, but the GTX 1080 seems to be limited by the board's power limit and temperatures going above 83°C, which will both result in lower clocks due to NVIDIA Boost.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/30.html
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#23
AsRock
TPU addict
cadaveca said:
There are also huge parts of the board's VRM section for MOSFETs that are not used. But given the low power consumption of this GPU, one might question why such would even be needed, unless they were serving up crap GPUs with abnormally high power consumption. That said, I'm 8 beers in, so WTF do I know at this point? Not much.
Expected they might need it depending on what they heard on from the AMD side, just maybe making such PCB from the start they will not have to design another which i would of thought would save money.

Just maybe they have tried a 6+8 pin to get some idea on the Ti version too, one fits all kinda thing. All so would allow AIB's to buy PCB and chip on board for the AIB's to save money.
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#24
Caring1
cadaveca said:
There are also huge parts of the board's VRM section for MOSFETs that are not used. But given the low power consumption of this GPU, one might question why such would even be needed...
Wouldn't it be nice if it was as simple as soldering on another power connector to take advantage of the cards capabilities, of course better cooling would also be needed.
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#25
cadaveca
My name is Dave
Caring1 said:
Wouldn't it be nice if it was as simple as soldering on another power connector to take advantage of the cards capabilities, of course better cooling would also be needed.
There are missing FETs on each power phase and a choke or so for the 6th phase...

I noticed this right away, since they mentioned "dual FET"... then I looked at review PC shots, and only a single FET package was there for each phase on most review cards. So I thought maybe the FE might come with those dual FETs...

...which might add some power handling capabilities or if not, at least it would give better, more consistent voltage supply...

Yet there are some FETs that are input driver plus two FETs in single package (DrMOS), but it's hard to tell what exact FETs are in place, and if those are single FETs on review cards... that's pure BS marketing they gave during launch presentation...

With dual FETs, maybe 8+6 pin might make sense.... and maybe there would be the possibility of like 3GHz+ clocks on LN2... which would make the post above your make even more sense...
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