Wednesday, March 22nd 2017

AMD Sues the Mobileverse: Claims LG, Mediatek, Others Infringe on its GPU IP

This is an unusual article to cover at Techpowerup: We don't usually do mobile stuff. Nevertheless, when a household name like AMD strikes out against some household names in the mobile verse such as LG, Mediatek, Vizio, Sigma, and such, we probably should cover it. AMD's financial wellbeing is important to competitiveness and all, right?
Ok, so what's the issue? Mainly, graphics patents, and intellectual property. AMD thinks ARM Holdings GPU designs infringe on their graphics technology portfolio. Wait, ARM Holdings? Why not sue them? According to the source article, it's due to the convoluted way Intellectual Property law works. In short, because ARM licenses their GPU tech to other companies who build it (ARM Holdings doesn't make anything, it's an idea-house/design farm), it's easier to sue a finalized product with an infringing GPU included than someone who is peddling an idea of a product that would infringe if it were ever made. So, they start things off suing the end vendor, Mediatek, who makes several chipsets incorporating the GPU-principles in question, and of course also the biggest phone vendors currently using those chipsets (South Korean giant LG, among some other minor phone builders).

This is not a small lawsuit by any means, and it could get bigger. AMD has specifically stated in its complaint that this is only an example of Infringement and not the complete subject matter. In other words, if they win, they can sue more people based on this should they choose to do so.

As a mere bystander who uses both mobile phones and PC products daily, I'm sort of torn by this news. On one hand, I love AMD. On the other hand, this feels to me like a patent troll attempt of sorts, but then I remind myself AMD has actually spent years developing graphics technology and they do have a right to defend those exclusive technologies. I guess I need more information on what exactly is infringing. Information has not exactly been forthcoming with this case in regard to technical details, unfortunately.

Regardless, AMD is seeking a cease and desist order to stop the import and sale of the products involved in the USA, so they aren't playing soft with the mobile companies by any means. The gloves are off. I guess the question to be asked here is whether or not that is justified. Source: XDA-developers
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31 Comments on AMD Sues the Mobileverse: Claims LG, Mediatek, Others Infringe on its GPU IP

#26
jigar2speed
G33k2Fr34k, post: 3625170, member: 161823"
Yeah... having a degree in engineering or computer science doesn't make you good at making decision.
-Pricing the R7 1700 at $320 and the 1800X at $500 when the 1700 is almost as fast the 1800X is DUMB.
-Selling +$200 motherboards for chips that don't overlock is DUMB.
-Marketing these 8 core CPUs as gemming products when they're absolutely not is DUMB.
Do I have to keep going?
Congratulations, you just played yourself... DUMB :nutkick: :nutkick::nutkick::nutkick::nutkick::toast::nutkick::nutkick::nutkick::nutkick::nutkick:
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#27
r9
dorsetknob, post: 3625049, member: 8331"
Amd are not a patent troll
they developed the IP
they used the IP
they licenced the ip to Others ( for Payment ie Royalitys )
They Deserve to benefit from ip they developed
patent trolls just acquire IP for the purpose of extracting payment from others
You're right its not just protecting them selves but also protecting the others who payed for it and they had to I incorporate that fee into their product and be at disadvantage.
If they don't take any action what is incentive of any company paying for it.
And I guess its up to the court to make the final decision.
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#28
ensabrenoir
...Proving it in court....In there lies the rub. Even though AMD may be in the right...If there case isn't presented and executed ...Or even worded correctly.....They can still loose.
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#29
r9
G33k2Fr34k, post: 3625170, member: 161823"
Yeah... having a degree in engineering or computer science doesn't make you good at making decision.
-Pricing the R7 1700 at $320 and the 1800X at $500 when the 1700 is almost as fast the 1800X is DUMB.
Not if stop and think for a second. Knowing that all Ryzen 7 are the same silicon just being tested and binned and 4Ghz is their limit. I'm pretty sure that they have way more 1700s than 1800s binned for sale.
So that's why the buyer is steered towards 1700.
And there are always gonna be people who would not mind paying extra to get the best thing out of the box.
Also sometimes applying simple math doesn't always work.
Like 50% more expensive but only 20% faster so means its not worth it.
Look it like this compare build vs build.
Ryzen 7 1800x build $1200 Ryzen 7 1700 build $1000 20% more expensive and 20% faster that sounds about right.
-Selling +$200 motherboards for chips that don't overlock is DUMB.
Ryzen 7 1700 can overclock from 3GHz base clock to 4GHz I would call that a good overclock.
I don't think that AMD initially wanted to clock the chips so high but once they did the initial benchmarks they were left with the choices of having
poor performing product or poor overclocker.
They went with the second choice which I think is great damage limitation from AMD.
Plus with time the manufacturing will improve and I think we will get chips that will oc higher.

-Marketing these 8 core CPUs as gemming products when they're absolutely not is DUMB.
Not good at gaming based on couple games that when they were developed not even the first transistor in Ryzen wasn't designed.
Kicking 7700k[B]@5GHz,
(aka the best gaming cpu) ass.
I would say that qulifies the Ryzen 7 as gaming cpu.[/B]
Do I have to keep going?
-Pricing the R7 1700 at $320 and the 1800X at $500 when the 1700 is almost as fast the 1800X is DUMB.
Not if stop and think for a second. Knowing that all Ryzen 7 are the same silicon just being tested and binned and 4Ghz is their limit. I'm pretty sure that they have way more 1700s than 1800s binned for sale.
So that's why the buyer is steered towards 1700.
And there are always gonna be people who would not mind paying extra to get the best thing out of the box.
Also sometimes applying simple math doesn't always work.
Like 50% more expensive but only 20% faster so means its not worth it.
Look it like this compare build vs build.
Ryzen 7 1800x build $1200 Ryzen 7 1700 build $1000 20% more expensive and 20% faster that sounds about right.
-Selling +$200 motherboards for chips that don't overlock is DUMB.
Ryzen 7 1700 can overclock from 3GHz base clock to 4GHz I would call that a good overclock.
I don't think that AMD initially wanted to clock the chips so high but once they did the initial benchmarks they were left with the choices of having
poor performing product or poor overclocker.
They went with the second choice which I think is great damage limitation from AMD.
Plus with time the manufacturing will improve and I think we will get chips that will oc higher.

-Marketing these 8 core CPUs as gemming products when they're absolutely not is DUMB.
Not good at gaming based on couple games that when they were developed when not even the first transistor in Ryzen wasn't designed.
Kicking 7700k[B]@5GHz,
(aka the best gaming cpu) ass.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/ryzen-1700-wins-jpg.85497/
I would say that qulifies the Ryzen 7 as gaming cpu.[/B]
Do I have to keep going?[/quote]Please don't.
Don't strain your self any more your might kill some more brain cells.
I don't think you can afford it.
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#30
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
r9, post: 3627061, member: 56898"
Please don't.
Don't strain your self any more your might kill some more brain cells.
I don't think you can afford it.
science has progressed to the point where Stem cells ( which can be triggered to form Brain cells ) can now be Analy inserted ( at a Cost ) Not available in the USA under Trumpcare
to help the Celerbally Challanged

Source National Inquirer[SIZE=1]TM [/SIZE]( Reprinted by The Oniontm [SIZE=5])[/SIZE]
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#31
R-T-B
dorsetknob, post: 3627062, member: 8331"
science has progressed to the point where Stem cells ( which can be triggered to form Brain cells ) can now be Analy inserted ( at a Cost ) Not available in the USA under Trumpcare
to help the Celerbally Challanged

Source National Inquirer[SIZE=1]TM [/SIZE]( Reprinted by The Oniontm [SIZE=5])[/SIZE]
Wouldn't that only make your butt intelligent?
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