Sunday, September 10th 2017

8th Gen Core i3 Part of Intel's First "Coffee Lake" Wave

It was initially believed that Intel will launch its 8th generation Core "Coffee Lake" desktop processor lineup with only 6-core SKUs in the Core i5 and Core i7 extensions, priced well above $200; with Core i3 SKUs joining in Q1-2018. A popular retailer confirmed to us that the first wave will include two Core i3 SKUs, namely the Core i3-8100 and Core i3-8350K. Both these chips are quad-core, and lack both HyperThreading and Turbo Boost, but feature rather high clock speeds.

The Core i3-8350K is a particularly interesting SKU. This 4-core/4-thread chip features an unlocked base-clock multiplier, and 8 MB of L3 cache, as opposed to 6 MB on the i3-8100. Just as Intel previously differentiated its Core i3-x1xx SKUs from i3-x3xx SKUs by giving the latter 33.33% more L3 cache, the trend is continuing with the 8th generation, except that both the core-count and L3 cache amount has doubled over the 7th generation. The prices could be noticeably higher, too. The six SKUs Intel will launch for the retail channel on the 5th of October, are tabled below.
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24 Comments on 8th Gen Core i3 Part of Intel's First "Coffee Lake" Wave

#2
Prima.Vera
ensabrenoir said:
...there has been an Awakening.....
Nah.
They should have had something like this if truly awakened:
i3 - 4 Cores/no HT
i5 - 6 Cores/no HT
i7 - 8 Cores/16 HT
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#3
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Intel needed a kick in the head
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#4
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
btarunr said:
The prices could be noticeably higher, too.
That would sort of spoil the point though, wouldn't it? "Here, more cores! For a linear price increase." The problem was not as much a lack of cores as a lack of cores at the lower end. If the basic i3 is more than the previous generations basic i3 it is a failure.
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#5
mac007
no turbo boost for i3 :confused:
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#6
9700 Pro
mac007 said:
no turbo boost for i3 :confused:
i3 never have got turbo, so nothing new here.
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#7
Szaby59
As a 4790k owner, I'd say the 8700k would be a really good upgrade option IF they'd stop using "glue" as thermal compound - unlikely considering even the HEDT CPU's are now "glued together"...
It's a shame, though they still ask premium for unlocked CPU's, at least the i5+ parts should not have any restriction if they're placed in a motherboard with a chipset supporting OC.
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#8
RejZoR
This is why we need competition. Ryzen certainly forced Intel to wake up. Or at least not be so greedy and actually offer good products. This is also why I was hoping RX Vega to succeed. NVIDIA is going in a "Intel" mode now and that's gonna suck.
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#9
FYFI13
Prima.Vera said:
Nah.
They should have had something like this if truly awakened:
i3 - 4 Cores/no HT
i5 - 6 Cores/no HT
i7 - 8 Cores/16 HT
That's exactly what Intel did.
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#10
Vya Domus
FYFI13 said:
That's exactly what Intel did.
The i7 8700K has 6c/12t not 8c/16t.
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#11
FYFI13
Vya Domus said:
The i7 8700K has 6c/12t not 8c/16t.
Oh, i missed that one. Thanks.
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#12
Bruno Vieira
So.. the 8350K is the 7700K refresh with no HT.. than..

it LOOKS like that Intel is changing slightly the design of the 7700K that they are already fabing tons per day to have a microcode lock (to z370, since is still 1151). And sell than for a "bargain" for consumers

Just guessing...
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#13
9700 Pro
Bruno Vieira said:
So.. the 8350K is the 7700K refresh with no HT.. than..

it LOOKS like that Intel is changing slightly the design of the 7700K that they are already fabing tons per day to have a microcode lock (to z370, since is still 1151). And sell than for a "bargain" for consumers

Just guessing...
7600K refresh since no HT.
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#14
Bruno Vieira
9700 Pro said:
7600K refresh since no HT.
The 8350k has 8mb of cache.. The 7600 its locked
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#15
9700 Pro
Bruno Vieira said:
The 8350k has 8mb of cache.. The 7600 its locked
What a normal 7600 has to do with this? I'm running a 7600K @ 4.8GHz, I don't buy locked chips (only budget ones).

Oh but didn't notice that cache. But still it's more like i5 since it doesn't have HT.
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#16
Bruno Vieira
9700 Pro said:
What a normal 7600 has to do with this? I'm running a 7600K @ 4.8GHz, I don't buy locked chips (only budget ones).

Oh but didn't notice that cache. But still it's more like i5 since it doesn't have HT.
Sorry for the mistake.. The 7600 refresh (8100) its locked, 33% more cash actually makes 50% of the perf delta between the i5 and i7 chips

So the 8350K is a 7700K without HT and a chipset locker. And the 8100 is the 7600 refresh.
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#17
9700 Pro
Bruno Vieira said:
Sorry for the mistake.. The 7600 refresh (8100) its locked, 33% more cash actually makes 50% of the perf delta between the i5 and i7 chips

So the 8350K is a 7700K without HT and a chipset locker. And the 8100 is the 7600 refresh.
Yep, that's more like it.
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#18
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Makes me wonder where the 4c/8t chips will fall. Are they going to be lower numbered i5s or higher i3s?
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#19
Bruno Vieira
newtekie1 said:
Makes me wonder where the 4c/8t chips will fall. Are they going to be lower numbered i5s or higher i3s?
4c/8t vs 6c/6t shoud trade blows case to case, with the 6c/6t winning the most. They also have more cash than the 4c

I think that they are going away for now, so that Intel can segment the market perfectly.
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#20
9700 Pro
4/8 would cannibalize pretty much the sales of 6/6 IMO.
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#21
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Bruno Vieira said:
4c/8t vs 6c/6t shoud trade blows case to case, with the 6c/6t winning the most. They also have more cash than the 4c

I think that they are going away for now, so that Intel can segment the market perfectly.
9700 Pro said:
4/8 would cannibalize pretty much the sales of 6/6 IMO.
Y'all are giving HT too much credit.
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#22
9700 Pro
newtekie1 said:
Y'all are giving HT too much credit.
Depends on the situation, I guess. At least G4560 was totally different than my older 2c/2t G4400.
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#23
GoldenX
Looks like some game companies are going to learn how to code for 6 threads, daddy demands it.
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#24
Vya Domus
GoldenX said:
Looks like some game companies are going to learn how to code for 6 threads, daddy demands it.
Depends , the thing is developers are always short on time and man power so no matter how much cash/sponsorships Intel throws at them it might not matter.

But then again there are games from years ago that use way more than 6 threads anyway so this isn't alien technology in actual fact.

newtekie1 said:
Y'all are giving HT too much credit.
9700 Pro said:
Depends on the situation, I guess. At least G4560 was totally different than my older 2c/2t G4400.
The usefulness of having more hardware threads diminishes with more cores. That being said the biggest difference it makes is when you go from a simple dual-core to a Hyper-Threaded one , from then on you gain less and less from SMT.
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