Wednesday, September 20th 2017

Intel 8-core LGA1151 Processor will be 14 nm "Coffee Lake" Based

The 8-core processor Intel is planning to launch in the second half of 2018 will be based on the current 14 nanometer "Coffee Lake" micro-architecture, according to leaked XTU errata log. A curious looking change-log entry reads "[CFL] Added support for 8,2 core," where "CFL" is the three-letter contraction of "Coffee Lake," just as "KBL" stands for "Kaby Lake" and "HSW" for "Haswell."

This hints at the two directions in which Intel is expanding its 8th generation mainstream desktop lineup. On the upper-end of the spectrum, one can expect the augmentation of 8-core/16-thread parts, while at the lower end, one can expect dual-core parts, likely branded under the Pentium and Celeron brands. Intel's MSDT lineup will be led by 6-core parts under the Core i5 and Core i7 extensions, and quad-core parts under the Core i3 extension; with 6-core/12-thread Core i7 SKUs leading the pack till the second-half of 2018.

Sources: BenchLife.info, ComputerBase.de
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26 Comments on Intel 8-core LGA1151 Processor will be 14 nm "Coffee Lake" Based

#1
RejZoR
It's so strange that HEDT was constantly lagging behind even though it should be what's getting the very best of tech. Seeing mainstream models being Coffee Lake and HEDT still stuck on Skylake just feels so weird. Like you're overpaying an old tech...
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#2
TheGuruStud
If 10nm is pushed back to 2019 for desktop...rip intel.
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#3
birdie
I would love TPU news titles based on rumors to be less sensationalist and more cautious, e.g.

"Intel 8-core LGA1151 Processor could be 14 nm "Coffee Lake" Based".

We already have WCCFTech for such things.

Thanks.
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#4
First Strike
RejZoR said:
It's so strange that HEDT was constantly lagging behind even though it should be what's getting the very best of tech. Seeing mainstream models being Coffee Lake and HEDT still stuck on Skylake just feels so weird. Like you're overpaying an old tech...
well, as we all know it, in terms of microarchitecture, kaby lake is very much the same as skylake. Just some speed-shift nuisance.
And process-wise, instead of 14nm process, Skylake-SP (along with Skylake-X) are built on 14+nm, same as kaby lake.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/skylake_(server)#Process_Technology

So they are building it with the "newest" tech they have
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#5
Vya Domus
RejZoR said:
It's so strange that HEDT was constantly lagging behind even though it should be what's getting the very best of tech. Seeing mainstream models being Coffee Lake and HEDT still stuck on Skylake just feels so weird. Like you're overpaying an old tech...
Skylake-X is not the same architecture as Skylake.
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#6
lZKoce
RejZoR said:
It's so strange that HEDT was constantly lagging behind even though it should be what's getting the very best of tech. Seeing mainstream models being Coffee Lake and HEDT still stuck on Skylake just feels so weird. Like you're overpaying an old tech...
It's hard to kill a CPU manufacturer. :) Two things: barrier of entry and market support. The sheer knowledge and production capabilities is so complex to produce a CPU, that many players are left out. Also market can support only a limited amount of players on this one. Like with passenger airplanes: you have Boing and Airbus.

EDIT : quoted the wrong thing. Sorry, it is the next post I was referring to.
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#7
StrayKAT
lZKoce said:
It's hard to kill a CPU manufacturer. :) Two things: barrier of entry and market support. The sheer knowledge and production capabilities is so complex to produce a CPU, that many players are left out. Also market can support only a limited amount of players on this one. Like with passenger airplanes: you have Boing and Airbus.

EDIT : quoted the wrong thing. Sorry, it is the next post I was referring to.
That last bit makes me sad. I grew up in the 80s and started buying my own PCs in the 90s... the market was so diverse then. Even if a ton of it was out of reach (unix workstation stuff), the home market still was diverse too (x86, Motorola/PowerPC, etc). Even just looking at the range of game consoles then and you see a big difference.

I once figured the state we're in was due to the dotcom bust and/or the recent recession. That the market will get back to what it was before. But I guess things just get more boring over time.
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#8
Dj-ElectriC
From what i know, Intel will advance straight to Ice Lake next. Ice Lake is 10nm so...
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#9
noname00
TheGuruStud said:
If 10nm is pushed back to 2019 for desktop...rip intel.
Why? who cares if their next CPU will be 14 or 10 nm? All that matters are price, performance, stability and energy consumptions. That's it.
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Vya Domus
noname00 said:
Why? who cares if their next CPU will be 14 or 10 nm? All that matters are price, performance, stability and energy consumptions. That's it.
Because the manufacturing process can affect every one of those things you mentioned.
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#11
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
noname00 said:
Why? who cares if their next CPU will be 14 or 10 nm? All that matters are price, performance, stability and energy consumptions. That's it.
And those metrics are tied to transistor density and their performance. Unless they make a new architecture from scratch node shrinks is the way to go.
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#12
ppn
Yeah, but don't expect it to manifest itself lower than i9 class. and 140 watts.

2 more cores adds only 20 mm.sq more space. makes sense to up the game to topple zen.
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#13
Imsochobo
ppn said:
Yeah, but don't expect it to manifest itself lower than i9 class. and 140 watts.

2 more cores adds only 20 mm.sq more space. makes sense to up the game to topple zen.
topple zen ? zen+ and zen2. isn't that far off if we are to believe the roadmap.
Exciting times, I hope Intel really suffers for a little while longer, amd gets some cash and then we can have the good old wars again where we get new cpu's and what not :D
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#14
R0H1T
Imsochobo said:
topple zen ? zen+ and zen2. isn't that far off if we are to believe the roadmap.
Exciting times, I hope Intel really suffers for a little while longer, amd gets some cash and then we can have the good old wars again where we get new cpu's and what not :D
RR is supposed to be zen+ while Zen2 & Zen2+ will be on 7nm. We don't know how RR will be clocked & whether it's just a new stepping, like richland vs trinity, &/or something on a refined process.
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#15
haxzion
Kaby Lake runs pretty hot already,so an 8core cpu on the same 14nm chip will be a disaster.I believe it's gonna be ice lake 10nm...
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#16
ppn
Not going to be a disaster. At this point Increase of the cpu die area means almost the same temperatures with the same cooler believe it or not. And they will undervolt it to fit 140W TDP. Current core size ~10 mm.sq is just too small too cool properly for the wattage it outputs and the tim. it may even be better who knows, the rest is IntGFX and MC. So compared to sandy bridge which was double that size it just returns things to normal.
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#17
noname00
Vya Domus said:
Because the manufacturing process can affect every one of those things you mentioned.
Frick said:
And those metrics are tied to transistor density and their performance. Unless they make a new architecture from scratch node shrinks is the way to go.
I agree with you both, but I was annoyed by "rip intel": AMD is still here after 5 years of "budget" CPUs. Intel did not yet really respond to AMD Ryzen. And Vega = 14nm, Pascal = 16nm, =>> https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/32.html
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#18
AsRock
TPU addict
Imsochobo said:
topple zen ? zen+ and zen2. isn't that far off if we are to believe the roadmap.
Exciting times, I hope Intel really suffers for a little while longer, amd gets some cash and then we can have the good old wars again where we get new cpu's and what not :D
Last thing we need is one of those so called good old wars. But i fully agree and hope that Intel suffer much more yet for the crap they put mainly AMD though.
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#19
EarthDog
RejZoR said:
It's so strange that HEDT was constantly lagging behind even though it should be what's getting the very best of tech. Seeing mainstream models being Coffee Lake and HEDT still stuck on Skylake just feels so weird. Like you're overpaying an old tech...
This isn't anything new, though... It was always a generation behind.
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#20
dicktracy
It's safe to say that AMD will have to continue play the budget brand with Ryzen 2.
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#21
GC_PaNzerFIN
Why do you think 8,2 means 8 cores and 2 gfx slices when even couple words later they use the standard 4+2 identifier for 4 cores and 2 gfx slices?

FAKE NEWS!
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#22
repman244
lZKoce said:
It's hard to kill a CPU manufacturer. :) Two things: barrier of entry and market support. The sheer knowledge and production capabilities is so complex to produce a CPU, that many players are left out. Also market can support only a limited amount of players on this one. Like with passenger airplanes: you have Boing and Airbus.

EDIT : quoted the wrong thing. Sorry, it is the next post I was referring to.
Yes it's complex but it's not nice to have a monopoly (ok AMD is sort of back but they need to gain their market share back). Market will take what's cheaper and better it doesn't care much about the brand.

It's not only Boeing and Airbus - that's what you hear in the media the most, Embraer, Bombardier, ATR, BAE, Mitsubishi is entering and let's not forget all the Russian manufacturers.
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#23
Rauelius
Anyone taking bets that these CPUs won't work on the Z370?
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#24
Gunslinger.
TheGuruStud said:
If 10nm is pushed back to 2019 for desktop...rip intel.
That is the funniest thing I've read on the internet in years :toast:
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#25
phanbuey
Rauelius said:
Anyone taking bets that these CPUs won't work on the Z370?
Im pretty sure they already confirmed that they won't - z390 only afaik
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