Thursday, August 2nd 2018

NVIDIA AIB Manli: GA104-400 Registered, GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 Listed

There's just no quieting the rumor mill. It's like we're walking through a field that's made entirely of small pieces of stone that we inadvertently kick - and under every stone, another tidbit, another speculation, another pointer - a veritable breadcrumb trail that's getting more and more convoluted. Even as we were getting sort of decided in regards to NVIDIA's next-generation hardware and its nomenclature and model number - 1100 series - we now have two distinct sources and reports popping one right after the other that point to a 2000 series - and that also suggests Ampere might be in the cards for the next-gen product after all.

Case in point: NVIDIA AIB Manli Technology Group has registered at portal.eaeunion.org (with the Eurasian Economic Union) product listings that include references to some NVIDIA GA104 and GA104-400 products, as well as nomenclature for NVIDIA's next-gen cards as being GTX 2070 and GTX 2080. Granted, this could be a registration for future, future products, but it's very unlikely. The jury is still out on this leak, but if ever the carousel will stop spinning, we don't know it. Sources: Videocardz, EAE Union
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45 Comments on NVIDIA AIB Manli: GA104-400 Registered, GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 Listed

#1
cucker tarlson
It would be great if we actually saw a new gaming oriented architecture instaed of nvidia pushing HPC oriented volta for gamers.
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#2
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
20xx naming? No way, that's just wrong. It should be 11xx to follow on logically. Maybe it's marketing screwing it up again.
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#3
Totally
Applying occams razor. I believe those are typos because 1070 and 1080 are missing from the list and would appear where the 2070 and 2080 are on the list.
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#4
Casecutter
Given the MSRP they'll be placing on them, jumping ahead another generation can "constitute" the justification marketing needs.
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#5
tami626
qubit said:
20xx naming? No way, that's just wrong. It should be 11xx to follow on logically. Maybe it's marketing screwing it up again.
Naming is the last thing I care about. :laugh:
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#6
Harry Lloyd
qubit said:
20xx naming? No way, that's just wrong. It should be 11xx to follow on logically. Maybe it's marketing screwing it up again.
And how did the do it a decade ago? Both AMD and NVIDIA.

CPUs do the same thing. The first digit should constitute the generation. Replacing 1080 with a 1180 is not very noticeable.
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#7
altcapwn
Totally said:
Applying oceans razor. I believe those are typos because 1070 and 1080 are missing from the list and would appear where the 2070 and 2080 are on the list.
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#8
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Harry Lloyd said:
And how did the do it a decade ago? Both AMD and NVIDIA.

CPUs do the same thing. The first digit should constitute the generation. Replacing 1080 with a 1180 is not very noticeable.
They've increased it by 1 many times when going to a new generation. No need for a difference here.
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#9
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Totally said:
Applying oceans razor. I believe those are typos because 1070 and 1080 are missing from the list and would appear where the 2070 and 2080 are on the list.
That would be four typos that are consistent with each other. That seems unlikely, very unlikely. I think the two lists are unrelated. In other words, 1070 and 1080 were mislisted as 2070 and 2080 as suggested. No name was given/associated with the Ampere cards.

Edit: 62 card names to 85 GPU models. List is definitely not 1:1.
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#10
Harry Lloyd
qubit said:
They've increased it by 1 many times when going to a new generation. No need for a difference here.
Huh? They used four digits - GeForce 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000. Then they reset it to three digits and started with 200.

AMD did exactly the same, but they went from 7000 to 200.
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#11
birdie
Spoiler: "Rage"
No one of you f***ers understand what this website is for and why certain products are missing.

As for Russia, in order to import electronics to the country, you have to certify your products and prove that they don't contain certain "bad" encryption algorithms. This is why this website exists and why it's strictly in Russian.

The document you're seeing is a "notification" which contains a list of new products, which haven't been certified earlier. The fact that certain previous GeForce GPUs are missing only means either that they've never been imported to the country earlier or they already have a notification which was issued in the past.

The referenced document (and all others at this website) is 100% official - it's not some rumors website with some made-up info.

More info:

http://www.mintest-russia.com/sertifikatsiya-produktsii/notifikatsiya-fsb/
http://certificate.net/FSS-notification
http://files.export.gov/x_3593167.pdf

With 99.9% certainty it all ultimately means that the next gen of NVIDIA GPUs will have 20XX prefix.

Spoiler: "Rage"
Internet ANALysts, my ass.

qubit said:
20xx naming? No way, that's just wrong. It should be 11xx to follow on logically. Maybe it's marketing screwing it up again.
It makes perfect sense. 30XX, 40XX, 50XX sound a thousand times better than 11XX, 12XX, 13XX, 14XX, etc.

In the end it's just bloody numbers which mean exactly nothing. I don't understand why so many people are obsessed over the naming scheme. NVIDIA could as well call the next gen GPUs: GeForce 1 (2080Ti), 2 (2080), 3 (2070), and 4 (2060). Won't change anything at all.
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#12
altcapwn
birdie said:
No one of you f***ers understand what this website is for and why certain products are missing.

As for Russia, in order to import electronics to the country, you have to certify your products and prove that they don't contain certain "bad" encryption algorithms. This is why this website exists and why it's strictly in Russian.

The document you're seeing is a "notification" which contains a list of new products, which haven't been certified earlier. The fact that certain previous GeForce GPUs are missing only means either that they've never been imported to the country earlier or they already have a notification which was issued in the past.

The referenced document (and all others at this website) is 100% official - it's not some rumors website with some made-up info.

More info:

http://www.mintest-russia.com/sertifikatsiya-produktsii/notifikatsiya-fsb/
http://certificate.net/FSS-notification
http://files.export.gov/x_3593167.pdf

With 99.9% certainty it all ultimately means that the next gen of NVIDIA GPUs will have 20XX prefix.

Internet ANALysts, my ass.
Pipe the f*ck down dude.

Thanks for the lessons it's very interesting, doesn't mean you need to be an a**hole to prove your point.
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#13
Totally
birdie said:
. snip .
If it is as you say the list should be much shorter.
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#14
RejZoR
qubit said:
20xx naming? No way, that's just wrong. It should be 11xx to follow on logically. Maybe it's marketing screwing it up again.
Not necessarily. It can work in both ways and by standards of entire graphics history till now (20 years of history), new generation NEVER happened without change of first digit. They may call new series "GTX ten eighty" assuming "ten" is the series, but that's not how cards were ever named chronologically. It's funny how people don't understand this. You can't release a NEW product that looks like a model within old series. Which, GTX 1180 would be to the GTX 1080.

I mean, just look at NVIDIA cards of the long past (I may skip some model numbers)...

GeForce 256 (a bit of an odd one because it's the first time using GeForce branding)
GeForce 2 (MX, GTS, Ultra)
GeForce 3 (3, Ti200, Ti500) (a bit of an odd one because it's the first time using Titanium/Ti in the name)
GeForce 4 (MX, Ti4200, Ti4400, Ti4600, Ti4800) (first time combination of both odd ones from the past)
GeForce 5 (FX5200, FX5400, FX5600, FX5800, FX5900, FX5950)
GeForce 6 (6200, 6500, 6600, 6700, 6800)
GeForce 7 (7100, 7200, 7300, 7500, 7600, 7800)
GeForce 8 (8200, 8500, 8600, 8800)
GeForce 9 (9100, 9300, 9500, 9600, 9800)
GeForce GTX 200 (205, 230, 240, 250, 260, 270, 280)
GeForce GTX 400 (420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 480)
GeForce GTX 500 (520, 540, 550, 560, 570, 580)
GeForce GTX 600 (620, 640, 650, 660, 670, 680)
GeForce GTX 700 (720, 740, 750, 760, 770, 780)
GeForce GTX 900 (910, 920, 930, 940, 950, 960, 970, 980)
GeForce GTX 1000 (1030, 1050, 1060, 1070, 1080)
GeForce GTX 2000 (2030, 2050, 2060, 2070, 2080)

See the natural order of new generations, particularly major numbers that are in the front? Even when they change the numbering scheme, things don't change. Just like 8GB is always more than 4GB VRAM no matter how you turn it and that hypes the clueless users, thats how big number changes in the front do the same. In fact, just look how product refreshes do to "clueless" consumers. Sell the same GPU with a 1 number higher "version" and they'll grab it coz it's the latest, just for the number, even though it really isn't. What makes you think they'll go and ruin a working numbering model for consumers? Also saying they'll run out of numbers faster this way, it gives you a decade full of model numbers. Nvidia made several such leaps so far, what makes you think they can't call cards after GTX 9080 a "GeForce N1000" series (N1200, N1400, N1600, N1800) for example and continue with N2200, N2400, N2600, N2800 etc? Coz that's the most likely course they'll go...

It is however odd that they picked GTX 1080 instead of GTX 1800. It's not like it's similar to any model of the past or be similar to AMD's model of the past. I mean, Radeon x1800 happened ages ago and it's not even relevant anymore on any level.
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#15
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
RejZoR said:
Not necessarily. It can work in both ways and by standards of entire graphics history till now (20 years of history), new generation NEVER happened without change of first digit. They may call new series "GTX ten eighty" assuming "ten" is the series, but that's not how cards were ever named chronologically. It's funny how people don't understand this. You can't release a NEW product that looks like a model within old series. Which, GTX 1180 would be to the GTX 1080.

I mean, just look at NVIDIA cards of the long past (I may skip some model numbers)...

GeForce 256 (a bit of an odd one because it's the first time using GeForce branding)
GeForce 2 (MX, GTS, Ultra)
GeForce 3 (3, Ti200, Ti500) (a bit of an odd one because it's the first time using Titanium/Ti in the name)
GeForce 4 (MX, Ti4200, Ti4400, Ti4600, Ti4800) (first time combination of both odd ones from the past)
GeForce 5 (FX5200, FX5400, FX5600, FX5800, FX5900, FX5950)
GeForce 6 (6200, 6500, 6600, 6700, 6800)
GeForce 7 (7100, 7200, 7300, 7500, 7600, 7800)
GeForce 8 (8200, 8500, 8600, 8800)
GeForce 9 (9100, 9300, 9500, 9600, 9800)
GeForce GTX 200 (205, 230, 240, 250, 260, 270, 280)
GeForce GTX 400 (420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 480)
GeForce GTX 500 (520, 540, 550, 560, 570, 580)
GeForce GTX 600 (620, 640, 650, 660, 670, 680)
GeForce GTX 700 (720, 740, 750, 760, 770, 780)
GeForce GTX 900 (910, 920, 930, 940, 950, 960, 970, 980)
GeForce GTX 1000 (1030, 1050, 1060, 1070, 1080)
GeForce GTX 2000 (2030, 2050, 2060, 2070, 2080)

See the natural order of new generations, particularly major numbers that are in the front? Even when they change the numbering scheme, things don't change. Just like 8GB is always more than 4GB VRAM no matter how you turn it and that hypes the clueless users, thats how big number changes in the front do the same. In fact, just look how product refreshes do to "clueless" consumers. Sell the same GPU with a 1 number higher "version" and they'll grab it coz it's the latest, just for the number, even though it really isn't. What makes you think they'll go and ruin a working numbering model for consumers? Also saying they'll run out of numbers faster this way, it gives you a decade full of model numbers. Nvidia made several such leaps so far, what makes you think they can't call cards after GTX 9080 a "GeForce N1000" series (N1200, N1400, N1600, N1800) for example and continue with N2200, N2400, N2600, N2800 etc? Coz that's the most likely course they'll go...

It is however odd that they picked GTX 1080 instead of GTX 1800. It's not like it's similar to any model of the past or be similar to AMD's model of the past. I mean, Radeon x1800 happened ages ago and it's not even relevant anymore on any level.
GeForce 2 Series
GeForce 3 Series
GeForce 4 Series
GeForce 5 Series
GeForce 6 Series
GeForce 7 Series
GeForce 8 Series
GeForce 9 Series
GeForce 100 Series
GeForce 200 Series
GeForce 300 Series
GeForce 400 Series
GeForce 500 Series
GeForce 600 Series
GeForce 700 Series
GeForce 800 Series
GeForce 900 Series
GeForce 10 Series

they stop the X00 series at the 10 series so it would make sense to continue to 11
but anyone can argue 20 series 30 blah blah stuffs.
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#16
theoneandonlymrk
Maybe they'll release both , 1170-1180 pascal /turing refresh on 12nm and ampere next gen with a few tensors in 2070-2080 , at even higher prices , seriously is guess work unless you actually know something which not many do, i personally wonder but come August we should know more , maybe even some facts, that'd be nice.
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#17
ppn
Nah, now 2432 Cuda for 11/2070. 1070ti with GDDR6 +75% bandwidth... The core is too small ~360 sq.mm, it is pascal +512 Core. Besides 20xx sounds better in relation to 2160p. True cards are at 7nm, this is refresh stopgap filler.
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#18
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
RejZoR said:
Not necessarily. It can work in both ways and by standards of entire graphics history till now (20 years of history), new generation NEVER happened without change of first digit. They may call new series "GTX ten eighty" assuming "ten" is the series, but that's not how cards were ever named chronologically. It's funny how people don't understand this. You can't release a NEW product that looks like a model within old series. Which, GTX 1180 would be to the GTX 1080.

I mean, just look at NVIDIA cards of the long past (I may skip some model numbers)...

GeForce 256 (a bit of an odd one because it's the first time using GeForce branding)
GeForce 2 (MX, GTS, Ultra)
GeForce 3 (3, Ti200, Ti500) (a bit of an odd one because it's the first time using Titanium/Ti in the name)
GeForce 4 (MX, Ti4200, Ti4400, Ti4600, Ti4800) (first time combination of both odd ones from the past)
GeForce 5 (FX5200, FX5400, FX5600, FX5800, FX5900, FX5950)
GeForce 6 (6200, 6500, 6600, 6700, 6800)
GeForce 7 (7100, 7200, 7300, 7500, 7600, 7800)
GeForce 8 (8200, 8500, 8600, 8800)
GeForce 9 (9100, 9300, 9500, 9600, 9800)
GeForce GTX 200 (205, 230, 240, 250, 260, 270, 280)
GeForce GTX 400 (420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 480)
GeForce GTX 500 (520, 540, 550, 560, 570, 580)
GeForce GTX 600 (620, 640, 650, 660, 670, 680)
GeForce GTX 700 (720, 740, 750, 760, 770, 780)
GeForce GTX 900 (910, 920, 930, 940, 950, 960, 970, 980)
GeForce GTX 1000 (1030, 1050, 1060, 1070, 1080)
GeForce GTX 2000 (2030, 2050, 2060, 2070, 2080)

See the natural order of new generations, particularly major numbers that are in the front? Even when they change the numbering scheme, things don't change. Just like 8GB is always more than 4GB VRAM no matter how you turn it and that hypes the clueless users, thats how big number changes in the front do the same. In fact, just look how product refreshes do to "clueless" consumers. Sell the same GPU with a 1 number higher "version" and they'll grab it coz it's the latest, just for the number, even though it really isn't. What makes you think they'll go and ruin a working numbering model for consumers? Also saying they'll run out of numbers faster this way, it gives you a decade full of model numbers. Nvidia made several such leaps so far, what makes you think they can't call cards after GTX 9080 a "GeForce N1000" series (N1200, N1400, N1600, N1800) for example and continue with N2200, N2400, N2600, N2800 etc? Coz that's the most likely course they'll go...

It is however odd that they picked GTX 1080 instead of GTX 1800. It's not like it's similar to any model of the past or be similar to AMD's model of the past. I mean, Radeon x1800 happened ages ago and it's not even relevant anymore on any level.
Noticed something interesting now that you've listed them all out like that - an ambiguity I hadn't noticed before. We need one more in the series to resolve it.

If they're just numbering them sequentially, then it should go 1180, 1280 etc.
If it's the leading digit then it should go 2080, 3080 etc.

I think you're right about it being the leading digit, especially now with this latest news. Well spotted and well argued! :)

Harry Lloyd said:
And how did the do it a decade ago? Both AMD and NVIDIA.

CPUs do the same thing. The first digit should constitute the generation. Replacing 1080 with a 1180 is not very noticeable.
Given rejzor's reply and the latest news, I've changed my mind and think you're right too. :)
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#19
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
qubit said:
Noticed something interesting now that you've listed them all out like that - an ambiguity I hadn't noticed before. We need one more in the series to resolve it.

If they're just numbering them sequentially, then it should go 1180, 1280 etc.
If it's the leading digit then it should go 2080, 3080 etc.

I think you're right about it being the leading digit, especially now with this latest news. Well spotted and well argued! :)


Given rejzor's reply and the latest news, I've changed my mind and think you're right too. :)
The latest news is fake, they just replaced 1070 and 1080 with 2070 80
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#20
MrGenius
T4C Fantasy said:
GeForce 2 Series
GeForce 3 Series
GeForce 4 Series
GeForce 5 Series
GeForce 6 Series
GeForce 7 Series
GeForce 8 Series
GeForce 9 Series
GeForce 100 Series
GeForce 200 Series
GeForce 300 Series
GeForce 400 Series
GeForce 500 Series
GeForce 600 Series
GeForce 700 Series
GeForce 800 Series
GeForce 900 Series
GeForce 10 Series

they stop the X00 series at the 10 series so it would make sense to continue to 11
but anyone can argue 20 series 30 blah blah stuffs.
No dude. It is not the "10" series. It is the 1000 series. Look at the 9 series. Then look at your supposed "10" series. See the difference? Come on bro. Your the GPU database guy.

If it were the "10" series, the cards would be named like the 9 series. IOW 10500(1050), 10600(1060), 10700(1070), 10800(1080).

The next series will be the 2000 series. Mark my words. So you can rub them in my face when/if I'm wrong. And be prepared for the same treatment when/if I'm right.
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#21
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
MrGenius said:
No dude. It is not the "10" series. It is the 1000 series. Look at the 9 series. Then look at your supposed "10" series. See the difference? Come on bro. Your the GPU database guy.

If it were the "10" series, the cards would be named like the 9 series. IOW 10500(1050), 10600(1060), 10700(1070), 10800(1080).

The next series will be the 2000 series. Mark my words. So you can rub them in my face when/if I'm wrong. And be prepared for the same treatment when/if I'm right.
Nvidia themselves call it 10 series...
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#22
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
T4C Fantasy said:
The latest news is fake, they just replaced 1070 and 1080 with 2070 80
Well, we'll soon know for sure on 20th August.

T4C Fantasy said:
Nvidia themselves call it 10 series...

One could argue that NVIDIA have made a typo in the slide, because 10xx makes more sense. How else do you get names like 1060, 1070, 1080 etc? They could have also done a bit of shorthand, because they thought it looked better on a presentation slide.
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#23
MrGenius
And they'll call the next series the 20 series. Because that's how it's pronounced. Gee Tee Eks Twenty Eighty. Not Gee Tee Eks Two Thousand Eighty.

Ten Eighty Pee. Eye Seven Eighty Seven Hundred Kay. Nothing is called thousand anything. Even when numerically they are.
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#24
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
qubit said:
Well, we'll soon know for sure on 20th August.


One could argue that NVIDIA have made a typo in the slide, because 10xx makes more sense. How else do you get names like 1060, 1070, 1080 etc? They could have also done a bit of shorthand, because they thought it looked better on a presentation slide.
Was no typo they have it everywhere its the 10 series xD or shortened. 1000 series makes sense to use. But its 10 series
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#25
cucker tarlson
T4C Fantasy said:
Nvidia themselves call it 10 series...

Exactly.

MrGenius said:
No dude. It is not the "10" series. It is the 1000 series. Look at the 9 series. Then look at your supposed "10" series. See the difference? Come on bro. Your the GPU database guy.

If it were the "10" series, the cards would be named like the 9 series. IOW 10500(1050), 10600(1060), 10700(1070), 10800(1080).

The next series will be the 2000 series. Mark my words. So you can rub them in my face when/if I'm wrong. And be prepared for the same treatment when/if I'm right.
Oh really ? cause they were under the impression that they do call them 10.

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