Monday, December 24th 2018

JOLED Announces OLED Panels for PC Monitors, Expected to Hit the Market in 2019

JOLED, a Japanese Display, Sony and Panasonic group, has announced new OLED solutions for PC monitors that are expected to enter the market in 2019. While OLED has become ubiquitous in both high-end smartphones and TV's, some of the technology's quirks (read: burn-in) mean that it has some more problems that need addressing compared to the other, more traditional display panel technologies. That's likely one of the reasons OLEDs are taking so long to enter the PC monitor market, even though some of their characteristics (such as the fact that the announced JOLED models can features repsosne times of 0.1 ms) are naturally gamer-appealing.

The market entries will start small, with 21.6" diagonals in both 1080p (geared for gamers in partnership with Japanese e-sports team Burning Core) and 4K (which should make its way to the market inside ASUS' Proart PQ22UC. For some reason, there's apparently a 27" panel that's being developed specifically for smart home applications, instead of for the gaming crowds. Go figure.
Source: PC Games Hardware.de
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47 Comments on JOLED Announces OLED Panels for PC Monitors, Expected to Hit the Market in 2019

#26
illli
Asus ProArt PQ22uc was announced like.. almost a year ago. Also a 21.6in display, maybe just a coincidence (or not). I recall it was going to be super expensive as well.
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#27
Blueberries
Everyone had a hard-on for LG's OLED TV's when they came out too but I think Samsung's SUHD looks better.

...which is why I have a 4k SUHD monitor.
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#28
lynx29
Blueberries
Everyone had a hard-on for LG's OLED TV's when they came out too but I think Samsung's SUHD looks better.

...which is why I have a 4k SUHD monitor.
care to link the exact monitor you own? I am curious.
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#31
FrustratedGarrett
lynx29
micro LED won't even be affordable / high refresh readily available until 2022, there are no factories even capable of producing it mass scale yet to my knowledge. why talk about something so far away? nano IPS already has one monitor for sale and it has great reviews / no backlight issues like older IPS variants, and personally I think the colors look better in IPS than VA, so nano IPS is probably going to be my next monitor. my hat is off to LG for bringing the improved tech so fast to market.
Nano IPS is just IPS with wider color gamut. It's basically like quantum dot; a coating filter applied to the w-led backlight to filter out certain color frequencies. You still get all the problems of IPS.
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#32
Enterprise24
Pick your poison.
TN = gamma shift / coronas
IPS = BLB / IPS glow
VA = ghosting / coronas / black crush.
OLED = burn-in / small screen / 1080p.
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#33
Wavetrex
TheLostSwede
For those complaining about the size, it looks like we're about to get some 8.3" and 13.3" 8K OLED screens too https://www.anandtech.com/show/13742/new-8k-oled-displays
For those that say "These are completely useless, nobody can see that detail"...

... unless the screen is 1" away from your eyes, in a very-high-end VR headset.

In that specific application, 8K oled would look absolutely gorgeous, and with the proper lens make it appear bigger than a cinema screen.
Would definitely dig such a device ! (Too bad it will probably cost as much as a small car)

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As for OLED computer monitor, I'm quite sure that plenty of people will jump on them even with the risk of burn-in, because existing techs (TN/IPS/VA) are ancient already and all have significant drawbacks.
Perhaps they solved the burn-in for the average lifetime of the display (Up to 5 years)... who knows?
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#34
silentbogo
Kohl Baas
Samsung,Apple and other phone/tablet sales tells otherwise. How's that possible you think 4K on 21" is a nonsens but 1080p+ on 4-10" are good? Why nobody protesting to get its 480x320 phone back? What a nonsense...
Try better - 4K phones =)

Never understood why people complain about getting better stuff or about progress in general.
There are 13" ultrabooks with 4K screens, tablets with retina displays, 2K/4K smartphones and so far everyone is happy.
Back in a day 1080p was "too much", and 16:9 widescreen was "ugly and impractical". Yet, both became the norm in a couple of years.

Also, it's a matter of individual taste and individual's perception. For example, I can tell the difference between 24-28" 2K and 4K monitors from few steps away, but I can't feel any super-noticeable difference between 60, 90, 120 or even 144Hz. Some people have it backwards - good sense of framerate, but can't see any difference past certain PPI.
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#35
sergionography
Manu_PT
4k 21,6 is indeed non sense but I have no problems with a 21,6 sized screen tbh. Altho I never really lovef 24' or 25', always seemed a bit big for me and I use it really far, as max as my desk allows.

I agree with oled concerns tho. Fanboys will deny it with the usual "I have an oled tv for 3 centuries and it never got burn in, so my situation means burn in is a myth".

But burn in is indeed still a problem as shown by rtings experiments on their website and specially on a pc monitor connected for hours with static images.
Add a screen saver, problem solved. And stop being a dinosaur by using any tech for more than 3-4 years.
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#37
goodeedidid
Manu_PT
4k 21,6 is indeed non sense but I have no problems with a 21,6 sized screen tbh. Altho I never really lovef 24' or 25', always seemed a bit big for me and I use it really far, as max as my desk allows.

I agree with oled concerns tho. Fanboys will deny it with the usual "I have an oled tv for 3 centuries and it never got burn in, so my situation means burn in is a myth".

But burn in is indeed still a problem as shown by rtings experiments on their website and specially on a pc monitor connected for hours with static images.
Can we first see the monitors before talking about fanboys, I mean OLED monitors aren't out yet and we're already talking about freaking fanboys!
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#38
Blueberries
lynx29
care to link the exact monitor you own? I am curious.
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/32-uh750-qled-uhd-monitor-lu32h750umnxza/

I guess they call it "QLED" now but when it first came out Samsung's quantum products were called SUHD.

QLED is backlit like a traditional LED screen but uses 10 bits per pixel rather than 8 giving you a 25% larger range of color in each pixel and darker blacks. OLED doesn't use a back-light and instead each pixel is individually "lit" allowing a greater range of color and true-blacks.

Theoretically OLED should be better but I've used both side by side and QLED looks better to me.
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#39
buggalugs
[quote=Blueberries]I agree. The QLED monitors looked as good as OLED to me. Samsung has a small range of QLED monitors, and I would have one on my desk right now except for one thing. They are all curved monitors and I dont like curved monitors. I dont understand why Samsung doesnt offer a standard flat screen version of QLED.

I think flat QLED monitors. would sell like hotcakes.
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#40
lynx29
the 49" QLED 4k tv is on sale with my student discount for $650, its $800 on amazon still. i am seriously considering it, but this deal will come around again, so going to wait until launch day of playstation 5 and buy both the tv and ps5 at same time, will keep the money saved until then. im still hoping sony announced fressync 2 support for ps5, so i'd like to wait and see what happens winter 2019/spring 2020 before i invest. ^^ but it does look like I will be doing QLED 4k tv when i move to playstation 5 gaming. i will get a high refresh 1440p ultrawide for pc gaming, and i already have a 240hz 1080p monitor for competitive pc gaming. and then i will have pc and playstation 5 hooked up to a nice 4k QLED tv as well for games that are limited to 60 fps i will play on tv at 4k.
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#41
Blueberries
buggalugs
I agree. The QLED monitors looked as good as OLED to me. Samsung has a small range of QLED monitors, and I would have one on my desk right now except for one thing. They are all curved monitors and I dont like curved monitors. I dont understand why Samsung doesnt offer a standard flat screen version of QLED.

I think flat QLED monitors. would sell like hotcakes.
The one I link is not curved, and I agree, curved screens are a gimmick. You have to be at an EXTREME angle to benefit from the curved screen and it makes no sense.
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#42
theonedub
habe fidem
The Von Matrices
I am happy that some company is taking up the cause of OLED PC displays. I specifically bought my Alienware 13 R3 laptop for its OLED screen, and I still have yet to find a display with better image quality. Usually you get used to the PC monitors you own and they no longer look special after a few weeks, but I honestly still have a "wow" moment every time I switch from using my desktop PC with LCDs to the OLED laptop.

And regarding burn-in, I have had no indications of any burn-in on this laptop over the past 18 months. I have the Windows taskbar set to hide automatically as a precaution, but other than that I haven't changed any settings. Displaying a blank white screen I still see a uniform image. So I think that unless you have the monitor displaying a static image 24/7, the burn-in issue is overrated.
There isn't quite anything as WOW as an OLED screen. Between my 65" LG E7, Note 8 and the wife's XS Max I'm never not impressed with what the tech offers and the picture it can produce. Even the best IPS displays are painfully lacking. The one thing I dislike about my iPad Pro 11" is the black levels on the display and that is arguably the best IPS on the planet right now.

With LGs WOLED burn in isn't really an issue. I'm approaching 2000 hours now on the TV and there's nothing. These screens mention the use of a color filter, so I imagine they are using a similar tech (RGB OLED to produce white light then pass it through a color filter) versus direct RGB/Pentile panels which should show similar durability.

If they can produce a ~$1200 34" model, I'd be one of the first in line.
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#43
unikin
A true game changer… I can't wait to downsize to 21.6" display. So retro, I like it, NOT!!! :(

Then again if durability is still a problem why even bother? I have 23.800 hours on my HP LP2475W and still going strong.
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#44
R-T-B
sergionography
Add a screen saver, problem solved. And stop being a dinosaur by using any tech for more than 3-4 years.
I used a lategen Panasonic plasma for a bit which is practically identical to OLED in specs minus power consumption, right down to burnin.

A screensaver will not save you. Browse the web for 4 hours, say hello to the Windows start menu pattern growing stronger every time...

theonedub
There isn't quite anything as WOW as an OLED screen.
There is, but they stopped making them. Plasma screens. Amazing tech but crazy energy hungry... and could not be scaled past 1080p.

But yeah, emissive techs always look better as a general rule...
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#45
lynx29
R-T-B
I used a lategen Panasonic plasma for a bit which is practically identical to OLED in specs minus power consumption, right down to burnin.

A screensaver will not save you. Browse the web for 4 hours, say hello to the Windows start menu pattern growing stronger every time...



There is, but they stopped making them. Plasma screens. Amazing tech but crazy energy hungry... and could not be scaled past 1080p.

But yeah, emissive techs always look better as a general rule...
not only that, but I like to game for 4-5 hours at a time, in my younger days I even did 14 hour mad man sessions in civilization 3 when it first came out. OLED would have sucked back then for sure, lol
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#46
R-T-B
lynx29
not only that, but I like to game for 4-5 hours at a time, in my younger days I even did 14 hour mad man sessions in civilization 3 when it first came out. OLED would have sucked back then for sure, lol
If there's a static pattern and it is the same level of burn in I experienced on that tech, there'll be an issue. No screen saver can save you from a static interface element you are actually using.
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#47
Vayra86
[quote=buggalugs][quote=Blueberries]Those are just 8 bit, 3000:1 VA monitors, nothing special, not great at all. They can be very bright though, which I guess is great for well lit rooms, but with that the black levels (which VA excels at) also go higher and the end result is horrible.
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