Wednesday, January 9th 2019

AMD's CES 2019 Keynote - Stream & Live Blog

CPUs or GPUs? Ryzen 3000 series up to 16 cores or keeping their eight? Support for raytracing? Navi or die-shrunk Vega for consumer graphics? The questions around AMD's plans for 2019 are still very much in the open, but AMD's Lisa Su's impending livestream should field the answers to many of these questions, so be sure to watch the full livestream, happening in just a moment.

You can find the live stream here, at YouTube.

18:33 UTC: Looking forward, Lisa mentioned a few technology names without giving additional details: "... when you're talking about future cores, Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4, Zen 5, Navi, we're putting all of these architectures together, in new ways".

18:20 UTC: New Ryzen 3rd generation processors have been teased. The upcoming processors are based on Zen 2, using 7 nanometer technology. AMD showed a live demo of Forza Horizon 4, using Ryzen third generation, paired with Radeon Vega VII, which is running "consistently over 100 FPS at highest details at 1080p resolution". A second demo, using Cinebench, pitted an 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 3rd generation processor against the Intel Core i9-9900K. The Ryzen CPU was "not final frequency, an early sample". Ryzen achieved a score of 2057 using 135 W, while Intel achieved a score of 2040 using 180 W.. things are looking good for Ryzen 3rd generation indeed. Lisa also confirmed that next-gen Ryzen will support PCI-Express 4.0, which doubles the bandwidth per lane over PCI-Express 3.0. Ryzen third generation will run on the same AM4 infrastructure as current Ryzen; all existing users of Ryzen can simply upgrade to the new processors, when they launch in the middle of 2019 (we think Computex).
Ryzen third generation uses a chiplet design. The smaller die on the right contains 8-cores/16-threads using 7 nanometer technology. The larger die on the left is the IO die, which consists of things like the memory controller and PCI-Express connectivity, to shuffle data between the CPU core die and the rest of the system.
18:10 UTC: Shifting gears now to talk about processors. First up is EPYC 2nd generation, built using on the 7 nanometer process. A scientific demo was presented showing a single EPYC processor, beating two Intel Xeon 8180 processors (28 core/56 thread), by a significant amount. Regarding availability, Lisa said that EPYC second generation "is absolutely on track and we will start shipping in the middle of 2019".
18:05 UTC: Lisa announced a partnership with Google, to deliver AAA game streaming to end-users. A demo of Assassin's Creed: Odyssey was shown running at 1080p with 60 FPS. The servers are located in Google's cloud and are powered by AMD Radeon GPUs.

17:55 UTC: Ubisoft just confirmed that "at launch, the Division 2 will support the full set of advanced Radeon technology features" (Rapid Packed Math, Async Compute and Shader Intrinsics). AMD is bundling the game with all Radeon VII cards, and select Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 processors for free.

17:45 UTC: AMD Radeon VII (pronounced "Radeon Seven") has been unveiled - the next gaming GPU from AMD. It's the world's first 7 nm gaming GPU, based on the Vega 10 shrink to the 7 nm node; this is not Navi. The card has "only" 60 CUs, which is a few less than Vega 64, but to make up for that, it is clocked higher. Thanks to 7 nanometer technology, power draw is lower, which helps keep temperatures and noise levels down, too. Gaming performance is up 35-42% in games, thanks to a massive 1.8 GHz clock speed. This should make the card competitive with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080 as shown by a slide during the event. With 16 GB of HBM2 memory, the card features an insane amount of memory for just gaming, which is probably why AMD is marketing the card at "creators" too, not unlike what NVIDIA does with Titan. The HBM2 memory is connected to the GPU using a 4096-bit memory interface.

Radeon VII releases on February 7th at a price of $699. For a limited time the card will be bundled with Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil 2 and The Division 2.

17:43 UTC: Lisa is talking about AMD's new Radeon software Adrenalin 2019, which we covered in great detail here.

17:40 UTC: Phil Spencer, Head of Gaming, Microsoft is on stage and praises the relationship between AMD and Microsoft, and confirms that the companies will work on future projects together, which probably means next-gen Xbox consoles.

17:30 UTC: AMD is announcing that their Radeon Software will now be a first class citizen for Ryzen Mobile systems, which probably means that Ryzen Desktop APUs will also receive this kind of driver support. In the past this was a big issue for many users. The new drivers will be available directly from AMD's website, starting February 2019.
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132 Comments on AMD's CES 2019 Keynote - Stream & Live Blog

#26
horik
Will this be the moment for me to leave LGA 1366¿
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#27
Wavetrex
$699 ... for ~2080 peformance.
Uh, bummer.
Just slightly undercutting nv, but not by much.
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#28
Hellfire
fuck $699 retail on Radeon VII, That's cheap
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#29
R0H1T
$699 buh-bye RTX :laugh:
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#30
Zyll Goliath
Wavetrex said:
$699 ... for ~2080 peformance.
Uh, bummer.
Just slightly undercutting nv, but not by much.
Agree...thats way 2 much....
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#31
circeseye
radeon 7...released feb 7th for 699....hmmmmmm
so is there a radeon 6 and 5 also?
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#32
Jism
Gaming performance is up 35-42% in games, thanks to a massive 2.5 GHz clock speed!
Who the hell wrote this? It's up to 1.8Ghz, not 2.5Ghz. 700Mhz increase on a 7nm proces is a bit too optimistic lol.

These are obvious failed Vega II 64 die's put in as gamer chips.
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#34
ShurikN
700 bucks... man. Sure you get $150 worth of games, but honestly, I don't see them flying of the shelves at that price. Was expecting 550 top.
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#35
unikin
AMD RTX 2080 equivalent for $699... F...that. I can buy RTX 2080 for such price in Germany today. AMD is following NGreedia steps. First RX 590 for $290 and now this. Abandon all hope. Nvidia digged the grave and AMD just nailed last nail to the coffin :(
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#36
R0H1T
This has 16 HBM2, which should still be more expensive than GDDR6, even though the latter is more niche atm, also interposer costs?
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#37
Jism
16GB of HBM2 does'nt come cheap. Neither the Vega 64 chip itself.

It's placed competetive.. takes a while but sooner or later the price drops. I'll buy that card.
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#38
tvamos
ShurikN said:
700 bucks... man. Sure you get $150 worth of games, but honestly, I don't see them flying of the shelves at that price. Was expecting 550 top.
16GB HBM2 must be expensive, but does it justify this price? Think not.
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#39
Wavetrex
Only chance is a mini price war in 2019 to bring these two at a more decent 550-600 level.
Otherwise, I'll keep my Pascal as well. At 699 not worth to upgrade.
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#40
XiGMAKiD
Vega on the top end, so my low expectation is spot on. :shadedshu:
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#41
Steevo
I feel maybe we got the short end of the stick again VS compute, AMD may have been aiming for a more alive crypto market, but the fact that they can capitalize on the server market.....
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#42
circeseye
sigh i hope they release with less ram for less...i dont see the need for 16gig
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#43
moproblems99
I was really hoping they would slot in just under nv prices and make up some cash. This is all dependent on the performance slotting just under as well. How were there no leaks on this?
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#44
Wavetrex
45 watts less for same perf as 9900k non-overcloked.

Not bad, but I want the one with two chiplets...
Guess we'll have to wait more.

Nice to have them, but not a revolution as everyone hoped. Oh well...
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#45
HD64G
Wavetrex said:
45 watts less for same perf as 9900k non-overcloked.

Not bad, but I want the one with two chiplets...
Guess we'll have to wait more.

Nice to have them, but not a revolution as everyone hoped. Oh well...
An all-core boost 4.0 (max 4.2) GHz Ryzen 3000 having 8C/16T in early sample isn't impressive you said? With a win over 9900K that boosts up to 4.7GHz all-cores having 40-50W less consumption? And cheaper with abling the X370 and X470 owners to upgrade for sure? What did you expect then? Call me impressed AMD!

And for anyone wondering where the clocks I posted came, I just compared 2700X 1830 points score of CB15 to the 2057 of Ryzen 3000 one and we have 12% increase which is the IPC expected gain. 2700X runs an all-core boost of 4-4.05GHz, so there you have it.

For Vega VII, it will be a limited number product only for prosumers imho. A stop-gap until Navi's later launch.
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#46
Zubasa
Wavetrex said:
$699 ... for ~2080 peformance.
Uh, bummer.
Just slightly undercutting nv, but not by much.
I can get a 2080 right now for that price, so it really is meh.
I will wait for reviews to decide anyway, but right now the 2080 is trialed and proven vs Radeon 7 that is still quite uncertain.
That performance per watt is not looking good either.
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#47
unikin
It looks like they basically took AMD Radeon Instinct MI50 add active cooling and increase core/memory frequencies. Vega 64 deja vu all over again :(

As for the CPU performance thumbs up. Ryzen 2 will be a beast.
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#48
phanbuey
eh... i mean when ryzen 1700 came out it was up against the 7700K and absolutely destroyed it in Cinebench. So this is not great news.
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#49
Zubasa
phanbuey said:
eh... i mean when ryzen 1700 came out it was up against the 7700K and absolutely destroyed it in Cinebench. So this is not great news.
It destroyed it with double the cores.
Gamers have enough cores, they want more clock speed and IPC, so AMD gave it to them.
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#50
SIGSEGV
it would be 699 price mark here in EU. still pricey...
599 would be massive buying

still waiting 12 cores Ryzen 3k info..
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