Wednesday, January 9th 2019

AMD's CES 2019 Keynote - Stream & Live Blog

CPUs or GPUs? Ryzen 3000 series up to 16 cores or keeping their eight? Support for raytracing? Navi or die-shrunk Vega for consumer graphics? The questions around AMD's plans for 2019 are still very much in the open, but AMD's Lisa Su's impending livestream should field the answers to many of these questions, so be sure to watch the full livestream, happening in just a moment.

You can find the live stream here, at YouTube.

18:33 UTC: Looking forward, Lisa mentioned a few technology names without giving additional details: "... when you're talking about future cores, Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4, Zen 5, Navi, we're putting all of these architectures together, in new ways".

18:20 UTC: New Ryzen 3rd generation processors have been teased. The upcoming processors are based on Zen 2, using 7 nanometer technology. AMD showed a live demo of Forza Horizon 4, using Ryzen third generation, paired with Radeon Vega VII, which is running "consistently over 100 FPS at highest details at 1080p resolution". A second demo, using Cinebench, pitted an 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 3rd generation processor against the Intel Core i9-9900K. The Ryzen CPU was "not final frequency, an early sample". Ryzen achieved a score of 2057 using 135 W, while Intel achieved a score of 2040 using 180 W.. things are looking good for Ryzen 3rd generation indeed. Lisa also confirmed that next-gen Ryzen will support PCI-Express 4.0, which doubles the bandwidth per lane over PCI-Express 3.0. Ryzen third generation will run on the same AM4 infrastructure as current Ryzen; all existing users of Ryzen can simply upgrade to the new processors, when they launch in the middle of 2019 (we think Computex).
Ryzen third generation uses a chiplet design. The smaller die on the right contains 8-cores/16-threads using 7 nanometer technology. The larger die on the left is the IO die, which consists of things like the memory controller and PCI-Express connectivity, to shuffle data between the CPU core die and the rest of the system.
18:10 UTC: Shifting gears now to talk about processors. First up is EPYC 2nd generation, built using on the 7 nanometer process. A scientific demo was presented showing a single EPYC processor, beating two Intel Xeon 8180 processors (28 core/56 thread), by a significant amount. Regarding availability, Lisa said that EPYC second generation "is absolutely on track and we will start shipping in the middle of 2019".
18:05 UTC: Lisa announced a partnership with Google, to deliver AAA game streaming to end-users. A demo of Assassin's Creed: Odyssey was shown running at 1080p with 60 FPS. The servers are located in Google's cloud and are powered by AMD Radeon GPUs.

17:55 UTC: Ubisoft just confirmed that "at launch, the Division 2 will support the full set of advanced Radeon technology features" (Rapid Packed Math, Async Compute and Shader Intrinsics). AMD is bundling the game with all Radeon VII cards, and select Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 processors for free.

17:45 UTC: AMD Radeon VII (pronounced "Radeon Seven") has been unveiled - the next gaming GPU from AMD. It's the world's first 7 nm gaming GPU, based on the Vega 10 shrink to the 7 nm node; this is not Navi. The card has "only" 60 CUs, which is a few less than Vega 64, but to make up for that, it is clocked higher. Thanks to 7 nanometer technology, power draw is lower, which helps keep temperatures and noise levels down, too. Gaming performance is up 35-42% in games, thanks to a massive 1.8 GHz clock speed. This should make the card competitive with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080 as shown by a slide during the event. With 16 GB of HBM2 memory, the card features an insane amount of memory for just gaming, which is probably why AMD is marketing the card at "creators" too, not unlike what NVIDIA does with Titan. The HBM2 memory is connected to the GPU using a 4096-bit memory interface.

Radeon VII releases on February 7th at a price of $699. For a limited time the card will be bundled with Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil 2 and The Division 2.

17:43 UTC: Lisa is talking about AMD's new Radeon software Adrenalin 2019, which we covered in great detail here.

17:40 UTC: Phil Spencer, Head of Gaming, Microsoft is on stage and praises the relationship between AMD and Microsoft, and confirms that the companies will work on future projects together, which probably means next-gen Xbox consoles.

17:30 UTC: AMD is announcing that their Radeon Software will now be a first class citizen for Ryzen Mobile systems, which probably means that Ryzen Desktop APUs will also receive this kind of driver support. In the past this was a big issue for many users. The new drivers will be available directly from AMD's website, starting February 2019.
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132 Comments on AMD's CES 2019 Keynote - Stream & Live Blog

#51
ShurikN
Now the question is, will there be another die on that Ryzen cpu in the future, because why not, or is it there solely cause they removed the io from the die itself, with no intentions on using 2 dies.
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#52
R0H1T
phanbuey, post: 3973055, member: 45008"
eh... i mean when ryzen 1700 came out it was up against the 7700K and absolutely destroyed it in Cinebench. So this is not great news.
This is 8c vs 8c, at lower power draw, that was 4 vs 8 so really not apples to apples.
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#53
Deeveo
ShurikN, post: 3973061, member: 140585"
Now the question is, will there be another die on that Ryzen cpu in the future, because why not, or is it there solely cause they removed the io from the die itself, with no intentions on using 2 dies.
I'd guess the space is for graphics chip for APU configuration, purely speculation on my part though.

Edit. They can use the same chiplets on all their processors with the separate IO chip, which reduces total production and development costs. I doubt they will release more than 8 cores for mainstream based on this (my opinion).
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#54
Wavetrex
"... Ryzen achieved a score of 2557 using 135 W, while Intel achieved a score of 2040 using 180 W. ..."

"... massive 2.5 GHz clock speed ..."

Some really wrong stuff in the article post.
2057, not 2557, and 1.8 Ghz not 2.5 Ghz.

Where are these numbers coming from @Raevenlord ?
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#55
R0H1T
Deeveo, post: 3973064, member: 159202"
I'd guess the space is for graphics chip for APU configuration, purely speculation on my part though.
Could also be for 16c chip, Lisa never said that 8c was the top dog.
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#56
XiGMAKiD
So we are stuck with Polaris Re-refresh for mid range? That sucks
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#57
ShurikN
R0H1T, post: 3973067, member: 131092"
Could also be for 16c chip, Lisa never said that 8c was the top dog.
Both are highly doable scenarios
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#58
phanbuey
Zubasa, post: 3973059, member: 30988"
It destroyed it with double the cores.
Gamers have enough cores, they want more clock speed and IPC, so AMD gave it to them.
If that was the case they would have shown gaming. Or at least shown gaming vs the current zen+. I don't think they're there just yet.

Or maybe i missed that part...
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#59
Deeveo
R0H1T, post: 3973067, member: 131092"
Could also be for 16c chip, Lisa never said that 8c was the top dog.
I guess that is possible, it would also open up all the possible configurations on the AdoredTV leak.
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#60
R0H1T
ShurikN, post: 3973069, member: 140585"
Both are highly doable scenarios
Yes but I'm a bit surprised that they didn't go for 2 "core" chiplets with each half die disabled? I think it was somewhere in the "speculative" leaks?
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#61
ShurikN
phanbuey, post: 3973070, member: 45008"
If that was the case they would have shown gaming. Or at least shown gaming vs the current zen+. I don't think they're there just yet.
That chip is literally 6 months from release. Who knows how many steppings it'll go through before the final product.
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#62
Metroid
She was smart not to tell much, she hyped a lot more than it was already to hehe, from now to may which will likely be the launch, amd shares will rise alot and they gave a 7nm gpu which rivals rtx 2080, good strategy, feed the gpu people stealing nvidia sales and hype cpus cause intel has nothign better than the ryzen 3rd gen.
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#63
sauron
If amd is confident with their gpu priced at 699$(their all time high) that means something good is on the way.
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#64
phanbuey
Metroid, post: 3973079, member: 178915"
She was smart not to tell much, she hyped a lot more than it was already to hehe, from now to may which will likely be the launch, amd shares will rise alot and they gave a 7nm gpu which rivals rtx 2080, good strategy, feed the gpu people stealing nvidia sales and hype cpus cause intel has nothign better than the ryzen 3rd gen.
AMD shares TAAANKED with this announcement... I'm actually on the ride down.



Basically people were expecting an above 8C product for ryzen, and the pricing on the Radeon VII is abysmal. Nvidia is probably throwing a party right now. They priced it at the same as the price-gouged 2080!
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#65
Metroid
sauron, post: 3973082, member: 94538"
If amd is confident with their gpu priced at 699$(their all time high) that means something good is on the way.
Exatcly, the vega 7 must be really good, I'm disappointed about the cpu release though, I thought release would be also on 7 february.

phanbuey, post: 3973085, member: 45008"
AMD shares TAAANKED with this announcement... I'm actually on the ride down.


Buy on rumours and sell on the news hehe but as the cpu will launch on may, shares will rise again if it crashes.
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#66
TheLostSwede
The stock market clearly wasn't impressed, oddly enough.
Seems a tad premature to dismiss AMD before the actual products arrive, but the stock market is fickle so...
Metroid, post: 3973086, member: 178915"
Exatcly, the vega 7 must be really good, I'm disappointed about the cpu release though, I thought release would be also on 7 february.
More like Computex, or maybe a paper launch ahead of the show and actual parts by Computex. Time will tell...
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#67
R0H1T
The dips could simply be caused by the delay, a lot us were expecting 7nm CPUs in spring but this looks closer towards BTS in Q2 end/Q3 beginning.
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#68
phanbuey
TheLostSwede, post: 3973089, member: 3382"
The stock market clearly wasn't impressed, oddly enough.
Seems a tad premature to dismiss AMD before the actual products arrive, but the stock market is fickle so...

More like Computex, or maybe a paper launch ahead of the show and actual parts by Computex. Time will tell...
It's because the initial ryzen launch was a massive disruptor. Intel's $1k processor was getting caught by a $400 part.

This announcement is more of a "We caught up! - and uh... we might be charging the same price... in a few months". It was just over-hyped.
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#69
Metroid
TheLostSwede, post: 3973089, member: 3382"
The stock market clearly wasn't impressed, oddly enough.
More like Computex, or maybe a paper launch ahead of the show and actual parts by Computex. Time will tell...
Yeah, around may, june.

phanbuey, post: 3973098, member: 45008"
It's because the initial ryzen launch was a massive disruptor. Intel's $1k processor was getting caught by a $400 part.

This announcement is more of a "We caught up! - and uh... we might be charging the same price... in a few months". It was just over-hyped.
I dont think ryzen 3xxx will be cheap though, like vega 7, if good it will cost it.
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#70
Ravenas
I think it’s safe to say AMD won CES this year. I’m glad to see AMD selling direct to customers. Retailers are raping customers on VGA and CPU prices.
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#71
toyo
Extremely disappointed by the new VII GPU. where's the "approx. 300-400USD 1080ti perf."?
Yup, that was clearly a lie.
Gotta be stupid to buy an RTX without RTX at the same price, only because of +8GB of HBM2.
Hard pass.
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#72
phanbuey
toyo, post: 3973102, member: 66393"
Extremely disappointed by the new VIII GPU. where the "approx. 300-400USD 1080ti perf."?
Yup, that was clearly a lie.
Gotta be stupid to buy an RTX without RTX at the same price, only cause +8GB of HBM2.
Hard pass.
I never thought i would get this much life out of this 1080ti... my fans on the cooler are already starting to go lol.

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#73
R0H1T
What, who said 1080Ti for 400 300 USD, also RTX? How about you ask why it's such a great feature to JHH :rolleyes:
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#74
Metroid
toyo, post: 3973102, member: 66393"
Extremely disappointed by the new VIII GPU. where the "approx. 300-400USD 1080ti perf."?
Yup, that was clearly a lie.
Gotta be stupid to buy an RTX without RTX at the same price, only cause +8GB of HBM2.
Hard pass.
It was too easy to sell vega for $1000 on crypto crazy, amd knows their gpus have other uses better than the competition, reason for the $699 and if is same performance x rtx 2080 and less watts then its a win. It will sell a lot. About vega 7, i'm optimistic and the launch is around the corner, less than a month to, win/win.
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#75
Wavetrex
toyo, post: 3973102, member: 66393"
Extremely disappointed by the new VIII GPU. where the "approx. 300-400USD 1080ti perf."?
Yup, that was clearly a lie.
Gotta be stupid to buy an RTX without RTX at the same price, only cause +8GB of HBM2.
Hard pass.
I agree, this is an even bigger fail than first Vega.

If this was 8GB HBM2, $549 price and same framerate in all existing games as 2080 it would fly of the shelves.
But at this price, NO WAY.

Keeping my 1080 until it dies. Gpu upgrades are dead. (Unless one is rich and don't care)
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