Wednesday, January 9th 2019

AMD's CES 2019 Keynote - Stream & Live Blog

CPUs or GPUs? Ryzen 3000 series up to 16 cores or keeping their eight? Support for raytracing? Navi or die-shrunk Vega for consumer graphics? The questions around AMD's plans for 2019 are still very much in the open, but AMD's Lisa Su's impending livestream should field the answers to many of these questions, so be sure to watch the full livestream, happening in just a moment.

You can find the live stream here, at YouTube.

18:33 UTC: Looking forward, Lisa mentioned a few technology names without giving additional details: "... when you're talking about future cores, Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4, Zen 5, Navi, we're putting all of these architectures together, in new ways".

18:20 UTC: New Ryzen 3rd generation processors have been teased. The upcoming processors are based on Zen 2, using 7 nanometer technology. AMD showed a live demo of Forza Horizon 4, using Ryzen third generation, paired with Radeon Vega VII, which is running "consistently over 100 FPS at highest details at 1080p resolution". A second demo, using Cinebench, pitted an 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 3rd generation processor against the Intel Core i9-9900K. The Ryzen CPU was "not final frequency, an early sample". Ryzen achieved a score of 2057 using 135 W, while Intel achieved a score of 2040 using 180 W.. things are looking good for Ryzen 3rd generation indeed. Lisa also confirmed that next-gen Ryzen will support PCI-Express 4.0, which doubles the bandwidth per lane over PCI-Express 3.0. Ryzen third generation will run on the same AM4 infrastructure as current Ryzen; all existing users of Ryzen can simply upgrade to the new processors, when they launch in the middle of 2019 (we think Computex).
Ryzen third generation uses a chiplet design. The smaller die on the right contains 8-cores/16-threads using 7 nanometer technology. The larger die on the left is the IO die, which consists of things like the memory controller and PCI-Express connectivity, to shuffle data between the CPU core die and the rest of the system.
18:10 UTC: Shifting gears now to talk about processors. First up is EPYC 2nd generation, built using on the 7 nanometer process. A scientific demo was presented showing a single EPYC processor, beating two Intel Xeon 8180 processors (28 core/56 thread), by a significant amount. Regarding availability, Lisa said that EPYC second generation "is absolutely on track and we will start shipping in the middle of 2019".
18:05 UTC: Lisa announced a partnership with Google, to deliver AAA game streaming to end-users. A demo of Assassin's Creed: Odyssey was shown running at 1080p with 60 FPS. The servers are located in Google's cloud and are powered by AMD Radeon GPUs.

17:55 UTC: Ubisoft just confirmed that "at launch, the Division 2 will support the full set of advanced Radeon technology features" (Rapid Packed Math, Async Compute and Shader Intrinsics). AMD is bundling the game with all Radeon VII cards, and select Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 processors for free.

17:45 UTC: AMD Radeon VII (pronounced "Radeon Seven") has been unveiled - the next gaming GPU from AMD. It's the world's first 7 nm gaming GPU, based on the Vega 10 shrink to the 7 nm node; this is not Navi. The card has "only" 60 CUs, which is a few less than Vega 64, but to make up for that, it is clocked higher. Thanks to 7 nanometer technology, power draw is lower, which helps keep temperatures and noise levels down, too. Gaming performance is up 35-42% in games, thanks to a massive 1.8 GHz clock speed. This should make the card competitive with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080 as shown by a slide during the event. With 16 GB of HBM2 memory, the card features an insane amount of memory for just gaming, which is probably why AMD is marketing the card at "creators" too, not unlike what NVIDIA does with Titan. The HBM2 memory is connected to the GPU using a 4096-bit memory interface.

Radeon VII releases on February 7th at a price of $699. For a limited time the card will be bundled with Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil 2 and The Division 2.

17:43 UTC: Lisa is talking about AMD's new Radeon software Adrenalin 2019, which we covered in great detail here.

17:40 UTC: Phil Spencer, Head of Gaming, Microsoft is on stage and praises the relationship between AMD and Microsoft, and confirms that the companies will work on future projects together, which probably means next-gen Xbox consoles.

17:30 UTC: AMD is announcing that their Radeon Software will now be a first class citizen for Ryzen Mobile systems, which probably means that Ryzen Desktop APUs will also receive this kind of driver support. In the past this was a big issue for many users. The new drivers will be available directly from AMD's website, starting February 2019.
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132 Comments on AMD's CES 2019 Keynote - Stream & Live Blog

#102
Metroid
ShurikN said:
I was watching the demo and the 2 chips started and finished at literally the same time.
AMD numbers should be 2050CB, not 2500
It might have been a typo from techpowerup editor. so I will have to update my post to reflect the reality.
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#104
GinoLatino
toyo said:

Gotta be stupid to buy an RTX without RTX at the same price, only because of +8GB of HBM2.
Hard pass.
Yep I absolutely want to play that one game that support RTX!
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#105
toyo
GinoLatino said:
Yep I absolutely want to play that one game that support RTX!
There will be more. I am not excited that much about RTX either, but it's some new silicon, and it can do new tricks. For me all of this tech is just for testing and fooling around with, I doubt there will be any game I want to play until Cyberpunk.
Anyway, the idea is that AMD is the underdog and perceived as being pro-consumer and less greedy than Nvidia and Intel. They failed to rise up to this expectation at CES, and it's sad.
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#106
Metroid
HTC said:
I believe that's a typo.

@Raevenlord Isn't it supposed to be 2057? Can't be sure from that cinebench image.
Yeah, thanks for the correction, I updated my post to reflect the reality.
cinebench multithreading, ryzen 8 cores 16 threads sample, 2057 points, intel 9900k 8 cores 16 threads, 2040 points, now calculating cinebench single thread based on single cores, ryzen, 2057 / 8 = 257, intel 9900k 2040 / 8 = 255, from official review from techpower up on 9900k , multithread = 1914, single thread 218, if we use 1914 / 8 = 239 on single thread. For ryzen to have a score of 2057, single thread has to be very close to 9900k, close to 218 points on cinebench single thread benchmark.

Another example is ryzen 2700x, official results on techpowerup review, cinebench multithreading, 1819 points, single thread 179 points, 1819 / 8 = 227 and on cinebench single thread amd has only 179 points instead of 227 which means, 227 - 179 = 48 points which is around 25%. So if we factor the 25% on ryzen 3 sample we will have the final cinebench single thread result of = 257 - 60 points(25% to factor the constraints and to equalize on ryzen 2770x) = 197 points which is still lower than the i9 9900k from intel = 218 points, It is ryzen that good? It is 10% faster than ryzen 2770x on single thread and 10% slower than intel 9900k on cinebench single thread.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i9_9900K/9.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_2700X/9.html

I might be wrong about this as ryzen 3 sample could be as 10% slow than intel 9900k or equally on cinebench single thread.
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#107
dicktracy
Looks like a boring year for Pc hardware. 2020 can’t come soon enough. :(
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#109
SN2716057
Can't wait for the reviews! If good as she says then I can see myself getting a new (another) htpc/gaming rig.
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#110
Nxodus
GinoLatino said:
Yep I absolutely want to play that one game that support RTX!
one game?
  • Assetto Corsa Competizione
  • Atomic Heart
  • Battlefield V
  • Control
  • Enlisted
  • Justice
  • JX3
  • MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries
  • Metro Exodus
  • ProjectDH
  • Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Atomic Heart and Metro Exodus will be GOTY nominees believe me
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#111
Xuper
AMD showed a live demo of Forza Horizon 4, using Ryzen third generation, paired with Radeon Vega VII, which is running "consistently over 100 FPS at highest details at 1080p resolution"
anyone bench for RTX 2080 with 8700K ?
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#112
Vya Domus
phanbuey said:
As soon as she mentioned the price the stock went from +4% to being down 1%.
You all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine.
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#113
Nxodus
Vya Domus said:
You all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine.
why dislike my post? I was just stating facts
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#115
Nxodus
Vya Domus said:
My hand slipped. Just stating facts.
Ah you're the resident Nvidia hater, forgot about you. My earlier comments about about AMD fanatism might have struck a nerve.
AMD fans flooded every single Nvidia thread in the last weeks to spew their hatred. Now look at this thread: Barely any trolling from our side (in your darkest moments)
Seems like Nvidia fans are more, khm, cultured? On this board at least.
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#116
Vya Domus
My hand slipped.

If you don't like the feature to -1 comments take it to the staff. They didn't make it mandatory for someone to also state the reason. Maybe there was something wrong with the comment, maybe I just don't like you, who knows.

Nxodus said:
Barely any trolling from our side
Your uhm ... side ? Bruh.
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#117
phanbuey
Vya Domus said:
You all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine.
Ok then, so it's a coincidence that every stock reacts sharply during company keynotes and earnings calls depending on the news that is actively coming out of the executive's mouth, or the split second any bad/good news comes out?

If anything this statement is absolutely false. Just look at any Merger announcement, earnings call, and the last 3 keynotes any company has given. The market reacts unbelievably quickly, and the finger investors like us are the last ones in on the party.
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#118
moproblems99
Nxodus said:
Seems like Nvidia fans are more, khm, cultured? On this board at least.
Sorry, neither side is .... cultured.

Edit:

On topic, did I miss everything about VII? Somehow this slipped in under my radar. If they can manage 2080ti in February, then I would be supremely impressed. Most of the impressiveness is the fact they kept it under wraps.
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#119
Metroid
AMD is playing the money grab attitude, first 7nm and as far as things are what we see is that gpu is the one that most benefits from die shrink and that is what they are doing, launching a top 7nm gpu first and pricing it accordingly x to what the competition has, my point is if nvidia had a 7nm gpu for $699 it would almost double rtx 2080 in performance, amd has the vega 7 and performance wise matches rtx 2080 and reason they are pricing a little bit higher or equal to it cause it uses less electricity, in the end amd is doing it right on the money side of things, reason why they decided its 7nm queue to be gpu only for now.

As far as ryzen 3 sample benchmark goes, i would say ryzen 3 sample is pretty much equal to 9900k on single thread performance, multithread i give to ryzen 3 sample 5% better overall. bad or good that is for you to decide, i myself see it as positive, the question now is if ryzen will double core count from last gen or not, they will do to epic server cpus, so i think desktop will follow that path too.
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#120
Vya Domus
phanbuey said:
out of the executive's mouth, or the split second any bad/good news comes out?
Only small time traders do that, the ones that typically lose their cash and have little affect on the stock. Large corporations do not concern themselves with that, that's noise. You have to realize the scale at which different entitles operate on this stock. Softbank still hasn't completely pulled out and Nvidia's stock halved in what , 3 months ? Let that sink in for a moment, this means nothing for AMD.
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#121
phanbuey
Vya Domus said:
Only small time traders do that, the ones that typically lose their cash and have little affect on the stock. Large corporations do not concern themselves with that, that's noise. You have to realize the scale at which different entitles operate on this stock. Softbank still hasn't completely pulled out and Nvidia's stock halved in what , 3 months ? Let that sink in for a moment, this means nothing for AMD.
Again, not related. Softbank don't have to completely pull out - they do close out their positions quickly on news, however. The stock price fluctuations, and trading volume during these times alone show that this is the case.



That's not a coincidence or legions of small fry investors - it's huge investors reacting to the news.
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#122
Vya Domus
phanbuey said:

That's not a coincidence or legions of small fry investors
The massive amount of volume suggests the complete opposite.
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#123
phanbuey
Vya Domus said:
The massive amount of volume suggests the complete opposite.
Volume = number of shares, not number of transactions... So no, it does not suggest the opposite.

Plus you just argued that "you all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine."

And are now trying to argue that "it's a legion of small investors that made the dent today, because of the volume".

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/amd-stock-price-releases-7nm-gaming-gpu-2019-1-1027856561
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#124
Vya Domus
phanbuey said:
Volume = number of shares, not number of transactions... So no, it does not suggest the opposite.
I know it's the numbers of shares and yes, that's a signifier that a lot of people are executing a lot transactions not the other way around. Doesn't necessarily means that's always the case but more often that not it is, unless of course you have a reason to believe it's not. And if you do, by all means go ahead.

It's just that it seems rather unlikely that anyone but a small fry trader would dump their stock because Lisa said Vega VII is is 699$, as was the scenario you suggest. :)

phanbuey said:

And are now trying to argue that "it's a legion of small investors that made the dent today, because of the volume".
They didn't really make a dent, no one did, that was my point. These single digit % figures aren't of any particular significance. Wait a couple more days and we'll see then if there really was a dent or not made.
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#125
TheGuruStud
I can't tell who are shills and who have deluded themselves into made up leaks about performance that never existed. Wccftech is leaking. Might as well start deleting posts that say insane things as fact.
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