Thursday, January 10th 2019

NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang on Radeon VII: "Underwhelming (...) the Performance is Lousy"; "Freesync Doesn't Work"

PC World managed to get a hold of NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang, picking his thoughts on AMD's recently announced Radeon VII. Skirting through the usual amicable, politically correct answers, Jensen made his thoughts clear on what the competition is offering to compete with NVIDIA's RTX 2000 series. The answer? Vega VII is an "underwhelming product", because "The performance is lousy and there's nothing new. [There's] no ray tracing, no AI. It's 7nm with HBM memory that barely keeps up with a 2080. And if we turn on DLSS we'll crush it. And if we turn on ray tracing we'll crush it." Not content on dissing the competition's product, Jensen Huang also quipped regarding AMD's presentation and product strategy, saying that "It's a weird launch, maybe they thought of it this morning."
Of course, the real market penetration of the technologies Jensen Huang mentions is currently extremely low - only a handful of games support NVIDIA's forward-looking ray tracing technologies. That AMD chose to not significantly invest resources and die-space for what is essentially a stop-gap high-performance card to go against NVIDIA's RTX 2080 means its 7 nm 331 mm² GPU will compete against NVIDIA's 12 nm, 545 mm² die - if performance estimates are correct, of course.
The next remarks came regarding AMD's FreeSync (essentially a name for VESA's Adaptive Sync), which NVIDIA finally decided to support on its GeForce graphics cards - something the company could have done outright, instead of deciding to go the proprietary, module-added, cost-increased route of G-Sync. While most see this as a sign that NVIDIA has seen a market slowdown for its G-Sync, added price-premium monitors and that they're just ceding to market demands, Huang sees it another way, saying that "We never competed. [FreeSync] was never proven to work. As you know, we invented the area of adaptive sync. The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work. They do not even work with AMD's graphics cards." In the wake of these word from Jensen, it's hard to understand the overall silence from users that might have their FreeSync monitors not working.

Reportedly, NVIDIA only found 12 out of 400 FreeSync-supporting monitors to support their G-Sync technology automatically in the initial battery of tests, with most panels requiring a manual override to enable the technology. Huang promised that "We will test every single card against every single monitor against every single game and if it doesn't work, we will say it doesn't work. And if it does, we will let it work," adding a snarky punchline to this matter with an "We believe that you have to test it to promise that it works, and unsurprisingly most of them don't work." Fun times. Source: PC World
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270 Comments on NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang on Radeon VII: "Underwhelming (...) the Performance is Lousy"; "Freesync Doesn't Work"

#76
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Nxodus, post: 3973848, member: 183665"
AMD fanbois will be so angry when in a couple of years RTX becomes standard, and AMD will be forced to adopt it effectively increasing the prices of their hot plastic cards even more.
Wrong here, AMD has been working on Radeon Rays for sometime.
Vayra86, post: 3973862, member: 152404"
In the end, 99.99% of all games ever made and to be made does not support this new innovative tech and your performance plummets when you dó use it, or you get a hideous looking AA mode in return for some 'free' performance.

So the bottom line is that AMD has a competitive product if they can price just under a 2080 which they probably will, in due time at the very least. That means the days of 2080 are numbered, because it is a very large die with some R&D budget behind it, while AMD is surfing the Vega wave they already paid for - dearly I'd say - and they have a smaller die with much better yields per wafer.
And not forget Vega can be launched in different markets for dies that dont meet full vega 2 spec.
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#77
ironwolf
I think he is mad because Lisa Su wore a leather jacket better than him. :laugh:
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#78
Markosz
"if we turn on DLSS we'll crush it. And if we turn on ray tracing we'll crush it."

Wow nice, so he ackowledges that the Radeon 7 will beat the RTX 2080 for less money in standard cases, and so he resorts to this childish flaming.

NVIDIA is toxic as fuck, they are greedy, anti-consumer, they try every dirty trick like GPP, and now trash talk like this.
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#79
Anymal
If you can choose betwen VII and 2080 both priced at 750usd, and I believe we all have that power to make our own decision, why the hell would you choose VII?

Markosz, post: 3973869, member: 164706"
"if we turn on DLSS we'll crush it. And if we turn on ray tracing we'll crush it."

Wow nice, so he ackowledges that the Radeon 7 will beat the RTX 2080 for less money in standard cases, and so he resorts to this childish flaming.

NVIDIA is toxic as fuck, they are greedy, anti-consumer, they try every dirty trick like GPP, and now trash talk like this.
You werent there when the first T&L gpu came out, a!
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#80
Nxodus
eidairaman1, post: 3973867, member: 40556"
Wrong here, AMD has been working on Radeon Rays for sometime.
good for them. Unfortunately that's not enough.
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#81
Anymal
Vayra86, post: 3973862, member: 152404"
In the end, 99.99% of all games ever made and to be made does not support this new innovative tech and your performance plummets when you dó use it, or you get a hideous looking AA mode in return for some 'free' performance. So what, realistically, is the added value here in RTX? The promise of something that might someday be nice (wasn't that an AMD punchline since forever)? You're still getting handicapped performance if you do use it - keep that in mind. How many BFV players have RTX ON, I'm very curious. Especially in the MP that the game focuses on.

So the bottom line is that AMD has a competitive product if they can price just under a 2080 which they probably will, in due time at the very least. That means the days of 2080 are numbered, because it is a very large die with some R&D budget behind it, while AMD is surfing the Vega wave they already paid for - dearly I'd say - and they have a smaller die with much better yields per wafer. That alone can offset their HBM2 expenses and create a margin that enables them to move along with any Nvidia price cuts. The only caveat is power consumption, but I'm getting the impression more and more people are willing to overlook that just for giving Nvidia a kick in the arrogant nuts. I would - if I was in the market for such a card.

In the end, Radeon 7 is essentially the long awaited 1080ti performance everyone wanted since the card launched. The 1080ti did that within a 255W power budget (more if you OC)... so how bad is it, really. 7nm is just enough to keep AMD in the game, in quite a convincing way. Its not ideal, but its a counterweight for certain.
For the same money, as 1080ti, 2 years after. Yes everyone waited that. 7nm vs 16nm, congrats to AMD.
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#82
RH92
eidairaman1, post: 3973867, member: 40556"
Wrong here, AMD has been working on Radeon Rays for sometime.
Sure sure but those Radeon Rays are nowhere to be seen in actual products so the least we can say is that AMD is a full generation behind on this topic + 1 full generation behind pure rasterisation performance since they are catching in 2019 what is 2017 1080Ti perf ( at similar MSRP on top of that so they don't even have price advantage anymore ) , and don't even get me started with energy efficiency ! I mean things are far from looking great on their GPU department ..........
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#83
Pruny
Boycot ngreedia, who cares about tdp, just buy Radeon
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#84
DarkMantle
Nxodus, post: 3973856, member: 183665"
He knows Nvidia is superior, if AMD would finally become proper competition maybe he would take back a notch.

Besides, who cares about CEO's nowadays? they are replacable like batteries. He's just a 3D printed bureoucrat
I think you need to read a bit more about Hardware history. He is not only the CEO, he is the guy who founded the company you know.
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#85
Vayra86
Anymal, post: 3973870, member: 158578"
If you can choose betwen VII and 2080 both priced at 750usd, and I believe we all have that power to make our own decision, why the hell would you choose VII?


You werent there when the first T&L gpu came out, a!
Because you get double the VRAM
Because you got pretty annoyed with Nvidia's tactics of late
Because its a similar GPU in every way except for vaporware
Because this card was announced not at $750, but at $700,- and if Vega 56/64 is an indicator, it will drop much lower.

See, its not that difficult to think of reasons, they may not be reasons for you, but I can certainly see how they are good ones for others. The bottom line: Nvidia doesn't have free reign at the 2080 price point.

Comparing T&L with RTRT is a complete and utter fallacy. T&L and other pioneering tech was a move to make rendering more efficient while increasing quality. RTX only offers brute forcing an extremely costly render technique with minor visual gains. There is a reason we do rasterization and constantly improved upon it, and its current state is in many cases so close to RTRT that it is considerably better to use the 'old way'.

Anymal, post: 3973873, member: 158578"
For the same money, as 1080ti, 2 years after. Yes everyone waited that. 7nm vs 16nm, congrats to AMD.
Ehm... what exactly is the competitor doing then? The stagnant perf/dollar started and ended with Nvidia, not AMD. Get your facts straight. I agree its still stagnant, but now at least there is competition.
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#86
IceShroom
So Nvidia's most advance architecture don't have proper DP 1.2a support!!!
And we need DLSS(Checker-bording in console) to get more performence!!! How low we need to go to get more performence. At this it is better to buy console then a 1200$ gpu.
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#87
Sasqui
Nxodus, post: 3973866, member: 183665"
Nvidia had a fantastic idea with RTX
I do believe that RTX was thought of long before NVidia and implemented in DX12 by MS. If it weren't for that, then it likely wouldn't have happened.

They do get kudos for pushing the envelope and make it part of their marketing strategy. Will it pan out? Maybe someday.
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#88
Hitman_Actual
SLAAAAAAAAAYY!!!!!!
love it!
Savage! Hope that sparks a fire under AMD's butt's. we need better competitors to push technology further and faster.
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#89
Amite
Have a BenQ 144 mrz with out Freesync and a MSI 144 mhz with Freesync.
As far as Battlefield V "Multi Player" The MSI sure as heck seems a lot smoother when u are in a room with 5 guys trying to kill each other.

Have a Vega 56
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#90
Nxodus
Markosz, post: 3973869, member: 164706"
"if we turn on DLSS we'll crush it. And if we turn on ray tracing we'll crush it."

Wow nice, so he ackowledges that the Radeon 7 will beat the RTX 2080 for less money in standard cases, and so he resorts to this childish flaming.

NVIDIA is toxic as fuck, they are greedy, anti-consumer, they try every dirty trick like GPP, and now trash talk like this.
but AMD on the other hand is so nice, secretly they are a non-profit NGO spending all the profits to help the elderly and clean the oceans.
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#91
Markosz
Anymal, post: 3973870, member: 158578"
If you can choose betwen VII and 2080 both priced at 750usd, and I believe we all have that power to make our own decision, why the hell would you choose VII?
If I were to choose between AMD and NVIDIA for exactly the same performance for the same money, I'd choose AMD since NVIDIA as a company is disgusting.
And thats without being an AMD fanboy, I'm angry at them for releasing the RX 590 as they did, because that card for that money is such a bullshit.
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#92
RH92
Markosz, post: 3973869, member: 164706"
Wow nice, so he ackowledges that the Radeon 7 will beat the RTX 2080
Better wait 3rd party reviews before making such claims !

Markosz, post: 3973869, member: 164706"
for less money
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fe322fea3876f1a24ff446c9048dae55bf1fff355975ffcb93349be66c8eb511.jpg

Nah i don't think so !

Markosz, post: 3973869, member: 164706"
NVIDIA is toxic as fuck, they are greedy, anti-consumer, they try every dirty trick like GPP, and now trash talk like this.
Not even going to bother with this .....
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#93
Nxodus
all you people whining about Huangs tone are probably a little too sensitive, you can't view the world through reddit-esque safe space filters. In the real corporate world theres a blood and bone war going in, especially in an industry where there's only two competitors (where are you Intel?). The shareholders expect you to have balls. Huang had balls.
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#94
Sasqui
Nxodus, post: 3973891, member: 183665"
Huang had balls.
Past tense. He just spit them out of his mouth.
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#95
Mr.Mopar392
Anymal, post: 3973855, member: 158578"
Casecutter, VII is as fast as 2080 but on 7nm, 300w tdp. No worries then.
Even if vega 7 was faster you still wouldn't buy it, your distain for amd is showing!
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#96
Nxodus
DarkMantle, post: 3973876, member: 104709"
I think you need to read a bit more about Hardware history. He is not only the CEO, he is the guy who founded the company you know.
oh shit really? Haha:) I probaly have to read up on it indeed. I judge a company buy it's products, not history. I never really cared about prominent people in hardware or anywhere.
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#97
illli
He is just envious of her better looking jacket
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#98
oxidized
Everyone focusing on the WHY and not on the WHAT.
We know huang's personality i thought everyone just got used to it, but no, everyone is complaining about that, and not on what he said, which is pretty much right, except for the freesync thing.
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#99
27MaD
ironwolf, post: 3973868, member: 94359"
I think he is mad because Lisa Su wore a leather jacket better than him. :laugh:
Facebook comment.:D
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#100
Markosz
Nxodus, post: 3973887, member: 183665"
but AMD on the other hand is so nice, secretly they are a non-profit NGO spending all the profits to help the elderly and clean the oceans.
- and this was 3 years ago... they only got worse.

AMD doesn't lock features behind hardware, they make open-source platforms.
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