Monday, February 11th 2019

AMD May Offer Some Insights on Upcoming Ryzen 3000 Series at GDC 2019

AMD's Ryzen 3000 series is one of the most hotly anticipated hardware launches in recent times. I'd say that the hype surrounding AMD's processor launches, unlike Intel's, has become vested with an actual enthusiasm that is likely in our nature - to see the underdog come out with innovative products that reverse market expectations. AMD's processor launches have seen hype levels rivaling - and even surpassing, all of this anecdotally, of course - some GPU launches. It makes sense for AMD to embrace every opportunity it gets to build hype around its products - and it seems the company will be doing just so at GDC 2019, which will run from March 18th through March 22nd.

AMD will be hosting a time slot at GDC 2019 in San Francisco. Hosted by Ken Mitchell, the presentation that has been slotted in to GDC's panels is titled ""AMD Ryzen Processor Software Optimization (Presented by AMD)". As the announcement reads, this presentation is meant to "Learn about the Ryzen line up of processors, profiling tools and techniques to understand optimization opportunities, and get a glimpse of the next generation of "Zen 2" x86 core architecture. Gain insight into code optimization opportunities and lessons learned with examples including C/C++, assembly, and hardware performance-monitoring counters." So no, there won't be any architecture deep dives. But there will be some new information - and we all know that speculating and running through the breadcrumb trail is a huge part of the fun.
Sources: GDC Schedule, via PC Games HArdware.de
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19 Comments on AMD May Offer Some Insights on Upcoming Ryzen 3000 Series at GDC 2019

#1
Super XP
This is existing. Can't wait for more details on ZEN 2.
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#2
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
I like how ryzen arch is being changed.
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#3
Super XP
eidairaman1 said:
I like how ryzen arch is being changed.
Same here, can't wait to see how well the improvements turn out.
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#4
kastriot
Yes yes it's very "existing" news :P
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#5
Zubasa
kastriot said:
Yes yes it's very "existing" news :p
Yup, unlike Navi which is not very existing at CES :laugh:
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#6
laszlo
Zubasa said:
Yup, unlike Navi that is not very existing at CES :laugh:
seems for me that amd is focusing on cpu as the big market is there ; gpu is 2nd for them for now and i assume they are way behind the schedule... this is why they released the radeon7 to end-user to launch something at least as new gpu is .....somewhere...
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#7
Tsukiyomi91
I am looking forward at AMD's 3rd gen Ryzen lineup. Hopefully this time they shake Intel's tree really good coz if not, then Intel is going to keep their pricing or increases it as they please since AMD isn't being competitive enough.
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#8
Midland Dog
eidairaman1 said:
I like how ryzen arch is being changed.
wider fpu is what it needs, finally at haswell level i believe with ryzen 2
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ArbitraryAffection
Midland Dog said:
wider fpu is what it needs, finally at haswell level i believe with ryzen 2
In total throughput Zen1 is already at Haswell level, Haswell, like skylake (please correct if im wrong) has dual FPU of 256-bit each of these pipes can perform Multiply and addition. Zen 1 uses four pipes of 128bits wide, two of which dan do mul and two can do add. Zen1 can do 256 bit SIMD ops (AVX2) by splitting the data into two smaller operations up to 128bits of data, executing concurrently and then recombining them after. It has slightly higher latency than a native 256 pipe but it is capable of doing it. This approach is better for SMT because it is wider and splits the FPUs between more threads especially when operations come in at less than 128bits wide.

Zen 2 i think uses a quad pipe design each pipe at 256-bit. This is vastly better than Skylake especialy for SMT again and even adds the possibility of Zen2 using AVX512 in the same way Zen 1 does AVX2.

Tsukiyomi91 said:
I am looking forward at AMD's 3rd gen Ryzen lineup. Hopefully this time they shake Intel's tree really good coz if not, then Intel is going to keep their pricing or increases it as they please since AMD isn't being competitive enough.
Ryzen is already highly competitive but they need a killing blow to start to dismantle the Intel mindshare
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#10
Franzen4Real
I wish AMD the best, and really want to see Zen 2 bring it this round. I've been holding off on downsizing to an ITX case until I can justify a new CPU/mobo. I'm hoping for this launch to make it happen.
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lynx29
ArbitraryAffection said:
In total throughput Zen1 is already at Haswell level, Haswell, like skylake (please correct if im wrong) has dual FPU of 256-bit each of these pipes can perform Multiply and addition. Zen 1 uses four pipes of 128bits wide, two of which dan do mul and two can do add. Zen1 can do 256 bit SIMD ops (AVX2) by splitting the data into two smaller operations up to 128bits of data, executing concurrently and then recombining them after. It has slightly higher latency than a native 256 pipe but it is capable of doing it. This approach is better for SMT because it is wider and splits the FPUs between more threads especially when operations come in at less than 128bits wide.

Zen 2 i think uses a quad pipe design each pipe at 256-bit. This is vastly better than Skylake especialy for SMT again and even adds the possibility of Zen2 using AVX512 in the same way Zen 1 does AVX2.


Ryzen is already highly competitive but they need a killing blow to start to dismantle the Intel mindshare
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/researchers-use-intel-sgx-to-put-malware-beyond-the-reach-of-antivirus-software/

great news. I am buying AMD after all, two years of extreme security concerns involving Intel processors is enough to convince me it is finally time to move on. Ryzen 3700x here I come!

@FordGT90Concept You might enjoy that article as well
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#12
ArbitraryAffection
lynx29 said:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/researchers-use-intel-sgx-to-put-malware-beyond-the-reach-of-antivirus-software/

great news. I am buying AMD after all, two years of extreme security concerns involving Intel processors is enough to convince me it is finally time to move on. Ryzen 3700x here I come!

@FordGT90Concept You might enjoy that article as well
Oh jeeze, if i was wearing my Tinfoil hat I'd say something about governments using that more than criminals though..

Either way I think you will not regret getting a Ryzen 3000 CPU. :)
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#13
Mighty-Lu-Bu
I can't wait for Zen 2... I am going to be upgrading my Zen system and after this upgrade I will not do another upgrade again for at least 5 years. This is going to be awesome!!!!!!!!!
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#14
lynx29
Mighty-Lu-Bu said:
I can't wait for Zen 2... I am going to be upgrading my Zen system and after this upgrade I will not do another upgrade again for at least 5 years. This is going to be awesome!!!!!!!!!
same for me. i'm probably going to go with the highest boost clock zen 2 though as cores don't mean as much to me. so if the 3600x boosts to 4.9ghz but 3700x only does 4.6ghz, im doing 3600x and trying to manual OC it to 5ghz no downclocking and voltage bump.
but eh, we will see.

i'm very excited for zen 2 though, i intend to do x570 mobo, and 32 gigs of ram. probably just doing a cheap used 7950 graphics card though, i'm not impressed with rtx series or anything amd is offering... just play some older games while i wait for the gpu upgrade ^^
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#15
Mighty-Lu-Bu
lynx29 said:
same for me. i'm probably going to go with the highest boost clock zen 2 though as cores don't mean as much to me. so if the 3600x boosts to 4.9ghz but 3700x only does 4.6ghz, im doing 3600x and trying to manual OC it to 5ghz no downclocking and voltage bump.
but eh, we will see.

i'm very excited for zen 2 though, i intend to do x570 mobo, and 32 gigs of ram. probably just doing a cheap used 7950 graphics card though, i'm not impressed with rtx series or anything amd is offering... just play some older games while i wait for the gpu upgrade ^^
That's exactly what I am doing- I am going to go for a Ryzen 5 3600X variant. One of the main reasons is because I play a lot of older games that rely on high single core performance- with the 3600X I will be getting much better single core performance, much better multi-core performance and much better TDP than my Ryzen 7 1700X. I am going to go for the following:

Ryzen 5 3600X

24GB of RAM of the fastest ram I can find (for now, eventually 32 though)

X570 Motherboard

I am not going to upgrade my GPU until Navi.
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#16
nemesis.ie
Mighty-Lu-Bu said:
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24GB of RAM of the fastest ram I can find (for now, eventually 32 though)
24GB? With what modules? Don't you need to keep them in matched pairs so the dual-channel works properly?

Maybe 16 would be better and wait for the price to drop before adding more - if it's needed?
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#17
Mighty-Lu-Bu
nemesis.ie said:
24GB? With what modules? Don't you need to keep them in matched pairs so the dual-channel works properly?

Maybe 16 would be better and wait for the price to drop before adding more - if it's needed?
You are correct. I think the 16GB to start would be better than and then upgrade to 32GB eventually.
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#18
las
I hope the first 7nm desktop CPU will fare better than the first 7nm GPU :laugh:

I will get 3700 to replace the 1700 in my server.
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#19
medi01
I want to see mysterious "same or better perf/watt, but non-CPU components seem to eat too much at idle" issue, discovered at Anandtech, gone for once.
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