Friday, May 17th 2019
AMD to Detail Zen 2, Navi Architectures Come Hot Chips in August
The Hot Chips conference is one of the leading-edge grounds for discussion of new silicon-bound technologies, and AMD will, as usual, take to its grounds in an effort to detail their efforts in their technology fields. The conference's organization has already confirmed a number of participants in its conference schedule, which includes the likes of Intel, Microsoft, Alibaba, NVIDIA, Tesla and of course, AMD.
AMD will be delivering two keynotes: the first, on August 19th, is simply titled "Zen 2", and will therefore deal with the underpinnings of the Zen 2 microarchitecture, which will be pervasive to all of AMD's CPU product lines. A second conference will be held on the same day by AMD's CEO Lisa Su herself, and is titled "Delivering the Future of High-Performance Computing with System, Software and Silicon Co-Optimization". On the next day, August 20th, another AMD keynote is simply titled "7 nm Navi GPU", and we expect it to follow in the footsteps of the Zen 2 conference. So, with AMD diving deep into both architectures come August... it's extremely likely the company will have launched both product lines by then. Fingers crossed. You can find the abstract on AMD's CEO Lisa Su's conference after the break.
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AMD will be delivering two keynotes: the first, on August 19th, is simply titled "Zen 2", and will therefore deal with the underpinnings of the Zen 2 microarchitecture, which will be pervasive to all of AMD's CPU product lines. A second conference will be held on the same day by AMD's CEO Lisa Su herself, and is titled "Delivering the Future of High-Performance Computing with System, Software and Silicon Co-Optimization". On the next day, August 20th, another AMD keynote is simply titled "7 nm Navi GPU", and we expect it to follow in the footsteps of the Zen 2 conference. So, with AMD diving deep into both architectures come August... it's extremely likely the company will have launched both product lines by then. Fingers crossed. You can find the abstract on AMD's CEO Lisa Su's conference after the break.
From medicine to the frontiers of scientific research, manufacturing and entertainment-the demand for computing and graphics technologies continues growing. While we are entering a golden age of high-performance computing, it is increasingly clear that the techniques the industry has used to reach this point will not deliver similar advances over the coming years. As the gains from Moore's Law have slowed in recent years, the industry has begun to focus on new areas of innovation to maintain the historical pace of performance improvements. AMD CEO Lisa Su will discuss new techniques in system architecture, silicon design and software that will enable future generations of computing and graphics products to deliver more performance with greater efficiency.
182 Comments on AMD to Detail Zen 2, Navi Architectures Come Hot Chips in August
That's the rumour, but apparently there's another that Asmedia still makes it for AMD. This means the chipset is still 40-32nm. No, it's not 14nm as some here seems to think and most definitely not 7nm. Chipsets are usually always on a much older node than CPUs.
The fan is mostly intended to kick in when NVMe RAID is used, as it makes the chipset go supernova.
There will be fanless boards, but expect to pay a premium for them.
I was planning on upgrading to ryzen 3000 for a while now, this surely doesn't encourage me more with the upgrade, and the reasons you can find pretty much in this thread, and i've already expressed some too, even if in a rather provocative way...
It's a sign of my destiny...
I personally don't care about the fan.
After building my 3570K years ago, and then every generation having to justify to myself why a complete motherboard (and memory) overhaul would be worth it, and then to have second thoughts, and then to put it off again, and then think "next generation will be worth it", and then go through the same dilemma next time around, over, and over, and over again - it's nice to be back on AMD.
For radiator to be A Radiator it must have fins, and tons of it. Of course you can't put RGB on fins. :peace:
Take for example Zenith Extreme PCH (v1 not the Alpha). There is thin (~7mm) piece of aluminium on PCH. It comes in two parts. When you unscrew the top cover (which is about 3mm) you're left with remaining 4. Underneath the shroud is M.2 port. Now any NVMe drive plugged there will be cooking itself to death (I know I'm using it) because pocket in the shroud traps hot air and not transfers it away - no fins on top. So after a while, removed the top shroud, unpluged the RGB piece of PCB and now running M.2 drive with beefy heatsink, but for PCH there is absolutely no difference in temperature with or without top shroud. On warm day 65C no problem. Especially when I trash the system like doing sculpting in ZBrush, there is plenty of I/O access with PCH.
I say bollocks to such design of workstation class products.
Besides, most PCH fans I know run on pretty low RPM and mostly serve to pull or push heat out from under that heatsink and into the general case airflow.
Get a life, please.
Whenever I build systems, I expect them to last a good five years of daily use, even if it's not my primary system. That means I choose quality parts, and bad cooling solutions is one of the things I stay away from. With a chipset fan I would be worried about the long-term reliability and noise, and usually you can't replace them either.
Also, one final note. The motherboards displayed currently, and even some of the ones to be shown at Computex may still be prototypes, so there can be small deviations in production versions. Still, I do hope reporters at Computex provide feedback to the motherboard makers.
If motherboards and chipset launched together with a CPU is not part of the discussion of a platform then I don't know what is. Most people do after all select a motherboard to go with their new CPU.
Edit: One example, at the launch of Skylake-X, many threads complained about VRM cooling, and partially rightfully so, as some motherboards did have poor cooling, but certainly not all.
And yes, chipset is part of the Zen2 platform. If Zen2 forces fans on chipsets in any way (could be technical, could be simply not giving mobo makers enough time), then we are entitled to discuss this in "Zen2 architecture" topic.
Anyway, I shouldn´t be explaining this but.... if you have a 55cm fan at low RPM, it is the same as not having one. Think about it, please.
What I see is that haters bash intel and nvidia articles with the most silly critics. But if there´s something fishy or not as good with AMD then the gang attacks and defends it to death. IMAGINE if Z390 motherboards had fans, just IMAGINE the drama on the internet if people would tell you that only high end and more expensive z390 motherboards wouldn´t have a fan.
This varies by board partner, not an "intel" thing that can be painted with a broad stroke.
That said, I believe there is at least one with a fan on the vrm in the flagship Rampage VI Extreme Omega. When using a 7960x at 4.3 ghz all c/t those fans spin up in a gaming session, indeed, however I cannot hear them over 3x 120mm yate loons at 850 rpm (nearly silent).
That's a different story if I am long term stress testing as they ramp up faster when the CPU is pulling 500W+. That doesnt happen at stock stress testing, note.
Maybe there is another x299 board with fans that are louder than this one. But when they kick in for normal use on this board, they are inaudible on low.
I remember the tiny fan discussion on other boards as well, even as recent as Gigabyte's Gaming 7. Yet in all those topics nobody ever came to anything of substance and in practice, this type of fan is rarely, if ever, audible in a system under load. It gets drowned out by everything else, even in silent rigs. On the Gaming 7, the fan would only be active at very high VRM temps."Haters?" *sigh*
Once you've got data that shows us these tiny fans are the major source of noise coming from any system in a test, let me know. Until then you can keep your criticism to yourself. As for that perceived difference in approach towards anything either AMD or Intel... that just depends what color of glasses you choose to wear. In both cases its usually not quite so valid or extreme as people say it is. This fan is a great example, and the Z390 chipset as a whole is another good one; yes, lots of people complained and still complain about Intel's regular chipset upgrade strategy.
Its almost as if both camps have their pros and cons. Gosh.
As I've tried to point out earlier in this thread, the chipset gets really hot when NVMe is used in RAID, hence the "need" for fans.Just ignore him, he can't even tell the difference between mm and cm and someone that ignorant is't worth seeing in the forums.
I've mentioned earlier that a chipset fan is something that shouldn't happen in consumer PCs, i.e. be forced on buyers who don't care about benchmarks.
If similar fans will appear on lower AM4 chipsets, it'll make this platform even less interesting in the mass market.
And if they don't (despite PCIe4.0 support), it'll mean it wasn't the controller but X570 design/tuning after all. :)