Friday, July 5th 2019

AMD to Slash Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" Series Prices Ahead of Launch: $399 & $349

NVIDIA attempted to torpedo the Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" series graphics card launch with the introduction of its $499 GeForce RTX 2070 Super and $399 RTX 2060 Super. AMD claimed that its upcoming Radeon RX 5700 XT outperformed the original RTX 2070, while its smaller sibling, the RX 5700 outperforms the original RTX 2060. In its E3-2019 reveal, AMD disclosed launch prices of the RX 5700 XT and the RX 5700 to be USD $449 and $379, respectively. The RTX Super launch jeopardizes this, and so, according to VideoCardz, AMD is revising its launch prices.

The Radeon RX 5700 XT now reportedly launches at just $399, while the Radeon RX 5700 is priced at $349. The RX 5700 XT is claimed to beat the original RTX 2070, while the $399 RTX 2060 Super is slower than the RTX 2070. On the other hand, the RX 5700, which was claimed to beat the $349 original RTX 2060, is now price-matched with it, unless NVIDIA comes up with price-cuts. Older reports suggested that with the advent of the RTX Super series, NVIDIA would retire the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070, after the market digests inventories left in the channel. AMD's latest move is sure to disturb that digestion.

Update Jul 6th: This has been confirmed officially by AMD here.
Source: VideoCardz
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169 Comments on AMD to Slash Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" Series Prices Ahead of Launch: $399 & $349

#51
I No
Vya Domus, post: 4075104, member: 169281"
It's not "full RDNA " ? What the hell does that even mean. Where's the full RDNA ?

This subject is severely out of your scope of understanding mate.
Just read the damn article mate, ignore my "scope of understating" :)
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#52
medi01
Manoa, post: 4075133, member: 174695"
with all the attention on 2000 vs 5000, thare is one thing that I would like you guys to notice: take a look at 5700XT vs 1080 Ti :)
In that area, it's more important when to expect 5800 and 5900.
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#53
Vya Domus
I No, post: 4075135, member: 165756"
Just read the damn article mate, ignore my "scope of understating" :)
The one that explains in great detail how you are wrong and this isn't GCN ?

I just want to know where's the full RDNA and how that compares to the half RDNA that we have now.
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#54
ZoneDymo
Im sorry but this just goes for both sides:

"the Radeon RX 5700 XT now reportedly launches at just $399, while the Radeon RX 5700 is priced at $349"

400 bucks, just...400 bucks, its still imo too much.

It imo SHOULD be 350 dollars and 250/300 dollars for the non XT.
(same for the Nvidia cards, it all should come down like 100/150 dollars)
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#55
unikin
What is AMD thinking offering us +$350 GPUs with blowers in 2019? If GPU doesn't have semi passive fan mode, I wouldn't get it even if it free.
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#56
Valantar
Vya Domus, post: 4075080, member: 169281"
I never really understood why AMD is always mandated to put a lower price on their cards compared to the equivalent products from Nvidia.
Because they're behind Nvidia in terms of mindshare (read: all the gamers who have no idea what they're talking about "know" that Nvidia "is better"), and have to make some sort of argument to trump that. It's the curse of the underdog: matching the competition (or even beating them outright) is rarely enough to "win".
londiste, post: 4075119, member: 169790"
Consider Vega 64 and Radeon VII.
Exactly. The VII drops average gaming power by about 10% while increasing average real-world clocks by about 15%. While by no means insignificant, that's not exactly a night-and-day difference (even accounting for the 5-10W draw of the two extra stacks of HBM2).
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#57
rvalencia
I No, post: 4075058, member: 165756"
- 5700 is not faster than 2060 Super
- If they would've kept the current pricing they would be DOA
- There is no reason for Vega owners to upgrade to Navi since they're basically the same performance wise, making Navi already a tough sell.
- Congrats to AMD for these cards tho, they further cannibalized into that abomination that is RVII
- the 5% less power is hardly an advantage seeing that it's 7nm vs nvidia's inferior node, it's still by all means a power-hog, It's still GCN no matter how much lipstick they put on that pig.
- I really hope they let AIB's put custom cooling solutions on NAVI, their reference cards while looking ok-ish are hot and loud


But alas at least there are options for mid-range.... oh wait that's how it was for the past 3 years now... AMD needs to start competing for the high-end asap, they are funneling potential customers to nvidia with each new gen even if they keep saying that the money is in the mid-range that didn't work out so well for RTG since the RX 480 was out, now that Freesync works with nvidia's line-up it's actually even harder for AMD to make a strong selling point. At the end of the day it's RTG's work at it's finest, release a card, the competition is trashing them, price cut.
NAVI has wave32 compute

GCN has wave64 compute

NV CUDA has wave 32 compute.

NAVI is not GCN.
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#58
Mr.Mopar392
unikin, post: 4075139, member: 182654"
What is AMD thinking offering us +$350 GPUs with blowers in 2019? If GPU doesn't have semi passive fan mode, I wouldn't get it even if it free.
nvidia cards are ugly, amd design is better imo, some us watercool our cards so it's not on issue! their is always aftermarket if you don't like reference.
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#59
ShurikN
Also something noteworthy in that leaked review is that the drivers were not launch ones, overclocking for example was not working.


ZoneDymo, post: 4075138, member: 66089"
Im sorry but this just goes for both sides:

"the Radeon RX 5700 XT now reportedly launches at just $399, while the Radeon RX 5700 is priced at $349"

400 bucks, just...400 bucks, its still imo too much.

It imo SHOULD be 350 dollars and 250/300 dollars for the non XT.
(same for the Nvidia cards, it all should come down like 100/150 dollars)
Agreed. The 5700 product stack would look much better at $400-$350-$300. Navi 10 is Polaris successor after all.
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#60
londiste
unikin, post: 4075139, member: 182654"
Exactly. The VII drops average gaming power by about 10% while increasing average real-world clocks by about 15%. While by no means insignificant, that's not exactly a night-and-day difference (even accounting for the 5-10W draw of the two extra stacks of HBM2).
That is a 30% perf/W difference.
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#61
unikin
RTX 2060 = GTX 1060 3GB $350 from $200
RTX 2060S = GTX 1060 6GB $400 from $250
RX 5700 = RX570 $350 from $200
RX 5700XT = RX580 $400 from $250
RX 5700XT/SE = RX590 $450 from $290

You see the the price fixing pattern here? A total rip-off.
DO NOT BUY ANY OF THEM or next gen mid range GPUs will cost north of $450.
AMD and NVidia have joint forces to rob us blind!

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#62
z1n0x
The comment section is breathtaking.
The fanboy wars are quite amusing to watch, should be a TV series.
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#63
yakk
unikin, post: 4075152, member: 182654"
RTX 2060 = GTX 1060 3GB $350 from $200
RTX 2060S = GTX 1060 6GB $400 from $250
RX 5700 = RX570 $350 from $200
RX 5700XT = RX580 $400 from $250
RX 5700XT/SE = RX590 $450 from $290

You see the the price fixing pattern here? A total rip-off.
DO NOT BUY ANY OF THEM or next gen mid range GPUs will cost north of $450.
AMD and NVidia have joint forces to rob us blind!
That's effectively normal in an oligopoly type situation (or duopoly in this case). Companies can always claim higher development costs to explain disproportionately rising prices to any regulators (whatever regulators mean anymore).
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#64
medi01
unikin, post: 4075139, member: 182654"
What is AMD thinking offering us +$350 GPUs with blowers in 2019? If GPU doesn't have semi passive fan mode, I wouldn't get it even if it free.
Get on with the blowers already. AIB's will soon roll out own models.
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#66
unikin
yakk, post: 4075161, member: 158293"
That's effectively normal in an oligopoly type situation (or duopoly in this case). Companies can always claim higher development costs to explain disproportionately rising prices to any regulators (whatever regulators mean anymore).
It's only normal in the absence of antitrust laws in US. Look what happened to DDR and SSD prices when China intervened. The same should happen in US but it won't because US legislative and executive branch have no cojones to stand against corporate donor class interests.
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#67
medi01
gridracedriver, post: 4075167, member: 188602"
I was getting bored and then: :D
And then decided to fake the figures. In your benches 5700 is barely faster than 2060 non super, a far cry from what we have seen so far.
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#69
Hardware Geek
Regulators is a very generous and frankly inaccurate way to describe them.
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#70
gridracedriver
medi01, post: 4075171, member: 158537"
And then decided to fake the figures. In your benches 5700 is barely faster than 2060 non super, a far cry from what we have seen so far.
it's not my fault on TPU the averages are lower than on other sites ;)
if I had done the same fake media on hardware upgrade bench's, for example, it would have been paired with the 2060super

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#71
Nkd
unikin, post: 4075139, member: 182654"
What is AMD thinking offering us +$350 GPUs with blowers in 2019? If GPU doesn't have semi passive fan mode, I wouldn't get it even if it free.
there is a thing called after market cards. You know. lol They can probably be had at 420-450 for decent one.
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#72
yakk
unikin, post: 4075168, member: 182654"
It's only normal in the absence of antitrust laws in US. Look what happened to DDR and SSD prices when China intervened. The same should happen in US but it won't because US legislative and executive branch have no cojones to stand against corporate donor class interests.
Yup, a portion of those profits do get distributed, or donated, to other beneficiary parties. Many systems, starting with the U.S. are built to work this way, which is what is meant by "normal".
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#73
Eskimonster
Intel starts with lowering prizes, then Nvidia screws all RTX folks with Super, and now even before launch AMD is lowering prizes.
I feel the 570x mobo is a way overprized product now, i like it less and less.
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#74
unikin
The only decent buy right now are RX570/580 for 1080p and Vega 56 for 1440p gaming (priced at $120/150 and $260).
2-3 years old GPUs still ruling price/performance chart. Current gaming dGPU market is beyond F...ED UP.
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#75
nguyen
Eskimonster, post: 4075185, member: 186469"
Intel starts with lowering prizes, then Nvidia screws all RTX folks with Super, and now even before launch AMD is lowering prizes.
I feel the 570x mobo is a way overprized product now, i like it less and less.
2070 and 2080 were bad buy from the start so I guess Nvidia is screwing the tiniest amount of customers here lol. Anyways it's just the way of progress, GTX 1080 were selling for 650usd then reduced to 500usd in less than a year. Rarely you would get something like the 1080Ti where the price/perf is so good for a highest end product.
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