Wednesday, November 6th 2019

Seagate's Roadmap Calls for 18 TB, 20 TB Drives in 2020, 50 TB by 2026

Seagate announced its roadmap for the coming years, and the company is naturally fighting tooth and nail for the relevance of HDD technology in the market. While the benefits of SSDs are already well understood by the entire industry, in some scenarios, it makes more sense to make use of high-density HDDs - particularly where deployment space is at a premium, and in scenarios where seek times for information stored on the media aren't all that important. This is why the company is aggressively pushing its new HAMR technology as a way to increase areal density on traditional platter-based media.

Plans to achieve 18 TB and 20 TB density HDDs in the first semester of 2020 seem to be well within reason, considering the company has recently shipped 16 TB HDDs. These HDD solutions will still make use of older technologies such as CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording), for the 18 TB drives) and SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) for their 20 TB 2020 products. The company will later make use of their proprietary HAMR (Heat Assisted Magnetic Recording) technology in order to upgrade their 20 TB, and 20 TB+ HDDs with higher performance (and density) than can be achieved with the tried and true SMR. When it comes to performance improvements, a latent disadvantage in HDDs compared to solid state solutions, the company will eventually deploy HDDs which make use of two sets of read/write heads instead of a single one.
Source: NL.Hardware
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35 Comments on Seagate's Roadmap Calls for 18 TB, 20 TB Drives in 2020, 50 TB by 2026

#1
Tomgang
That all good and all. But what I really want is. Stop developing HDD and sped more time to increase SSD capacity and to lower prices. HDD are slow and annoying. Only good thing is large capacity for cheaper than SSD.

But over all I am so ready to skip HDD and go all to SSD if just prices cut get down to level where high capacity SSD can be affordable for us mortals.
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#2
Tartaros
Tomgang
That all good and all. But what I really want is. Stop developing HDD and sped more time to increase SSD capacity and to lower prices. HDD are slow and annoying. Only good thing is large capacity for cheaper than SSD.
There are more than enough players pushing SSDs and the technology related to it and as the article said, there are other situations where HDDs are more desirable than SSDs. Magnetic tapes are still developed since they are the most reliable way to store data in long term and that's some ancient shit in computing. Also IBM has been deploying its monolithic OS with backwards compatibility for any previous version for 60 years now.

Science isn't magic, nor money and resources fall from the trees, things are developed according to necessities and profit in this system.
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#3
Tomgang
Tartaros
There are more than enough players pushing SSDs and the technology related to it and as the article said, there are other situations where HDDs are more desirable than SSDs. Magnetic tapes are still developed since they are the most reliable way to store data in long term and that's some ancient shit in computing. Also IBM has been deploying its monolithic OS with backwards compatibility for any previous version for 60 years now.

Science isn't magic, nor money and resources fall from the trees, things are developed according to necessities and profit in this system.
Yes HDD has been here for a long time and that is also why I think it's about time to move on to something better and faster the SSD.

HDD might have some advantage in some use scenarios, but not to me. To me the only reason I still use HDD is because large SSD still cost a fortune. HDD are for me slow and frankly annoying to wait for to transfer files from and to. Slow, annoying and for my experience less reliable than SSD. I have had 3 HDD failures while so far zero SSD failures and I have used SSD since like 2011.

No science is not magic. But I still just wait for SSD to come down I price and then they do in the future, I am so done with HDD for good.

I may sound a bit selfish, but when I am used to the speed of an nvme SSD, HDD are just plain annoyingly slow for file transfers and other things + the annoying spin up whine some of my older HDD had and the vibration to. Frankly the only advantage HDD still have over SSD is price to capacity in my opinion.
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#4
neatfeatguy
High capacity HDDs have their purpose.

I've got just about 3TB of moves/tv shows/pictures on my Plex server. The 4GB 5400RPM NAS HDDs I have in it work great. I've ran up to 4 different devices streaming 1080p movies off the server without issues. At most, there are usually only 2 devices using the Plex server. The HDDs work great for streaming movies/shows. Only problem I'm going to run into soon is lack of storage space.

For me, the main issue is the cost of a high capacity SSD that just doesn't fit my budget.
Even if I wanted to move to a 4TB SSD for some reason, they're in the $450+ range


Except for this one that's only priced at $89.99, but since it's some site google picked up when searching "4TB SSD" in the sponsored links, and the fact it's based out of China - I'd venture to guess this is a scam and you'd be lucky to get a functional SSD from them. At most, probably some old 16GB version that's got some funky firmware hacked into it to make your system think it's 4TB.

As you can see, it comes up on my google search:



Click at your own risk. I take no responsibility for your actions.

https://www.mokfits.com/products/ssd-evo-internal-sata-samsung-iii-4tb-860--mz-76e4t0b-am--2-5-inch



I'd much rather spend half that cost of a 4TB SSD and find an 8TB HDD. But that's just me.
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#5
_Flare
Are there any HDDs so fast that they need a connection similarly fast than NVMe?
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#6
Arct1c0n
That will be great for all my hentai tentacle porn, because that's all Seagate is doing according to former CEO
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#7
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
Tomgang
That all good and all. But what I really want is. Stop developing HDD and sped more time to increase SSD capacity and to lower prices. HDD are slow and annoying. Only good thing is large capacity for cheaper than SSD.
Thermal flux in multi-layer ICs impose a very real performance limit on high density SSD performance. A single 8TB WD Red/White at 5400RPMs is capable of reading and writing at 250MB/s on the fast side of the platter. That's not too shabby, considering WD is putting these into external drives you can get for 125 USD on Amazon.
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#8
Cheeseball
Aquinus
Thermal flux in multi-layer ICs impose a very real performance limit on high density SSD performance. A single 8TB WD Red/White at 5400RPMs is capable of reading and writing at 250MB/s on the fast side of the platter. That's not too shabby, considering WD is putting these into external drives you can get for 125 USD on Amazon.
The SHUCC'ing is real with these drives. :D
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#9
Prima.Vera
I wouldn't put a Seagate HDD into my station even if I get it for free.
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#10
timta2
I just wish they would work on quality and reliability, as 3 of the last 5 Seagates I've purchased have been faulty. I know there are other options, but I've always like Seagate.
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#11
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
So the mythical HAMR is supposed to be making a commercial appearance in 2020/2021? I just hope the price per TB is reasonable; nay, competitive with current HDD offerings.
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#12
evernessince
Tomgang
Yes HDD has been here for a long time and that is also why I think it's about time to move on to something better and faster the SSD.

HDD might have some advantage in some use scenarios, but not to me. To me the only reason I still use HDD is because large SSD still cost a fortune. HDD are for me slow and frankly annoying to wait for to transfer files from and to. Slow, annoying and for my experience less reliable than SSD. I have had 3 HDD failures while so far zero SSD failures and I have used SSD since like 2011.

No science is not magic. But I still just wait for SSD to come down I price and then they do in the future, I am so done with HDD for good.

I may sound a bit selfish, but when I am used to the speed of an nvme SSD, HDD are just plain annoyingly slow for file transfers and other things + the annoying spin up whine some of my older HDD had and the vibration to. Frankly the only advantage HDD still have over SSD is price to capacity in my opinion.
Well sit tight then, no one knows when SSDs will become cheaper then HDDs per GB but I can say it's going to be awhile. FYI larger capacity HDDs are typically faster. My 12TB drives get around 250 MB/s.
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#13
yotano211
Tomgang
Yes HDD has been here for a long time and that is also why I think it's about time to move on to something better and faster the SSD.

HDD might have some advantage in some use scenarios, but not to me. To me the only reason I still use HDD is because large SSD still cost a fortune. HDD are for me slow and frankly annoying to wait for to transfer files from and to. Slow, annoying and for my experience less reliable than SSD. I have had 3 HDD failures while so far zero SSD failures and I have used SSD since like 2011.

No science is not magic. But I still just wait for SSD to come down I price and then they do in the future, I am so done with HDD for good.

I may sound a bit selfish, but when I am used to the speed of an nvme SSD, HDD are just plain annoyingly slow for file transfers and other things + the annoying spin up whine some of my older HDD had and the vibration to. Frankly the only advantage HDD still have over SSD is price to capacity in my opinion.
You used alot of "i" and "i". HDD or SSD manufacturers dont and will never make storage devices for just you, they make for lots of other people and companies. The expense of HDDs is lower for the amount of space they have. Companies need that space to store what ever they need. Sure SSDs are faster but also lower space and more expensive for the given available space.
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#14
yakk
20TB next year is sounding good. Be nice if it pushed down prices of smaller sizes too.
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#15
cucker tarlson
Prima.Vera
I wouldn't put a Seagate HDD into my station even if I get it for free.
then overpay for other brand names,your call.
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#16
Solaris17
Dainty Moderator
Prima.Vera
I wouldn't put a Seagate HDD into my station even if I get it for free.
Meh, I run Seagate EXOS drives in my SAN and they do fine. I also run 4x 8TB disks, so im in the camp that having denser HDDs is cool because SSDs just dont fit my need for storage. As for manufacturers, iv broken them all. In general I try to stay away fro super cheap stuff like WD greens and other bargin models, and otherwise ultra weird stuff like 3TB drives.

Lucks been about the same as long I stayed with those rules.
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#17
Tomorrow
50TB by 2026. Yeah keep dreaming Seagate. You're the one who promised 100TB by 2020 and what do we get - only 20TB. 5x less than what was promised.
Plus HDD prices are not moving down. If a new capacity point is intruduced it will cost more and the prices do not fall at all. 14TB drives cost ~400€. 16TB drives ~500€ and im sure 18TB drives will cost 600€ and 20TB drives will be over 700€. These are best case prices.

I thought about building myself two 8TB SSD's comprised on Intel 660p modules. That would cost me 1600€+ for 16TB of SSD storage. HDD would cost me around 550€.
Still too expensive for bulk storage. 15TB SSD's cost 4000€+ so those are even more expensive.
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#18
R-T-B
Tomgang
But what I really want is. Stop developing HDD and sped more time to increase SSD capacity and to lower prices.
You act like Samsung isn't doing just that and this isn't Seagates only hope at relevance...

Tartaros
Also IBM has been deploying its monolithic OS with backwards compatibility for any previous version for 60 years now.
The only OS that could even remotely fit this description is AIX Unix, and even it is not completely backwards compatible so... bad example.
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#19
Easo
_Flare
Are there any HDDs so fast that they need a connection similarly fast than NVMe?
No, not even close. RAID 10 systems cannot do that. Maybe some, vs single drive. Maybe. But single disks cannot even push SATA 3 to the limit.
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#20
phill
I find it brilliant that these drives are still being produced. I have a large number of drives at home, some as small as 160Gb all the way up to what's in my NAS currently that's 4Tb but to be able to get fewer and more drives together for some big storage I'm really hoping that comes to pass.

Since I'm not a YouTuber or get given hardware for free like many of us, I have to pay for everything I have.. When you're looking at possibly adding some more storage to your home NAS and getting some new backup drives in as well, 12 x 12Tb drives cos come in at a pretty penny... I sadly couldn't afford 1 12Tb drive at the moment so I have to make do with anything I can to put data on whatever it is.
Watching a few YouTube videos last night Seagate seem to hand drives out to a load of YouTubers for their storage needs.. Maybe I do need to get on YouTube and then I could get some more storage.... That said, I do have some LTO5's I can use....

But I digress... I also thought that SSD's didn't manage to store data long term?
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#21
Franzen4Real
Cheeseball
The SHUCC'ing is real with these drives. :D
$99 from black friday BB two years ago! I picked up 5 for my NAS. What's odd is that there has never been a sale since then where I have seen them below $129 (even last years black friday). They must have wised up when all of us NAS owners quintupled their external drives sales in a single weekend haha.
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#22
kapone32
Prima.Vera
I wouldn't put a Seagate HDD into my station even if I get it for free.
I have used nothing but Seagate and never had an issue.

Franzen4Real
$99 from black friday BB two years ago! I picked up 5 for my NAS. What's odd is that there has never been a sale since then where I have seen them below $129 (even last years black friday). They must have wised up when all of us NAS owners quintupled their external drives sales in a single weekend haha.
I remember when Newegg in 2017 had the Seagate 2.5 SSHD 2TB for $74.99 on Black Friday. I have not seen them go under $129 either since then here in Canada.
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#24
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
Tomgang
That all good and all. But what I really want is. Stop developing HDD and sped more time to increase SSD capacity and to lower prices. HDD are slow and annoying. Only good thing is large capacity for cheaper than SSD.

But over all I am so ready to skip HDD and go all to SSD if just prices cut get down to level where high capacity SSD can be affordable for us mortals.
Seagate's main HDD market is not users like you or I. Its enterprise, data centers, the cloud where SSDs are not king in that area. Dell is one of Seagates biggest customers.

I am an ASIC Engineer at Seagate btw.
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#25
killster1
timta2
I just wish they would work on quality and reliability, as 3 of the last 5 Seagates I've purchased have been faulty. I know there are other options, but I've always like Seagate.
i wonder what year your hdd's are from, i wonder if seagate has indeed got their reliability up, of course i would use a 18tb drive but i would need to use 2 more 18tb drives for redundant storage as well. personally i dont see how everyone has no storage needs, no one has personal photo / video or cartoons saved up from the years or anything, just your small steam game library and your happy! lulz at higher capacity ssd, just need lower priced ssd if anything or hdd's with ssd's built into them? (never used any of the hybrids personally but im sure they work pretty good)
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