Monday, January 6th 2020

Intel Ghost Canyon NUC, Comet Lake-H, and Tiger Lake Processors Teased

During this year's CES, Intel had an event called the Performance Workshop, where many things were presented. Among those are Intel's upcoming Comet Lake-H CPUs, Ghost Canyon NUC 9, and last but not the least there was a mention of the future Tiger Lake processor and its AI performance. Starting with the Comet Lake-H announcement, Intel promised to deliver 8 core, 16 thread processors that are capable of reaching as high as 5 GHz clock speeds, in a 45 W TDP. These processors are the answer to AMD's upcoming "Renoir" Ryzen 4000 series of mobile processors, which are rumored to feature up to 8 cores and 16 threads as well. The advertised 5 GHz boost on these Comet Lake-H CPUs is for the Core i7 model, while Core i9 SKUs are supposed to reach even higher speeds. All the system improvements tied to Comet Lake like support for WiFi 6, Thunderbolt 3 and Optane memory support are also present on these CPUs.
Another interesting announcement was in the form of the 9th generation of NUCs, called the Ghost Canyon NUC. These modular NUCs are somewhat different than the previous generations, as they allow for complete customization of the system, much like a regular PC. There are a few components that this NUC is made out of. Firstly there is a motherboard called "the Element" that houses a CPU, two PCIe slots, and memory slots for RAM. These motherboards are the base of the system and offer almost a complete solution for the NUC, however, there is also another component that needs to be added and that is the graphics card. Having support for dual-slot graphics cards that are up to 9 inches in length, this 5 liter PC measuring 238 x 216 x 96 mm, can accommodate for some powerful ITX-sized graphics cards like RTX 2070 from MSI. CPU options include Intel's Core i9-9980HK, Core i7-9750H, and Core i5-9300H processors. For power, there is a 500 W power supply that appears to be a Flex-ATX form factor. Additionally, Intel said that they will open up this form factor to OEM so they will present creative solutions as well.
In addition to these products, Intel teased "AI performance" of its upcoming Tiger Lake processors. Advertising the three engine AI subsystem which consists of DL Boost, Xe Graphics, and Low Power Acceleration, these components are supposed to make for the solution that does very fast AI processing and splits the workload across all three engines, making for efficient processing. Besides talking about the AI performance of Tiger Lake, Intel didn't reveal any other details regarding the upcoming processor.
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27 Comments on Intel Ghost Canyon NUC, Comet Lake-H, and Tiger Lake Processors Teased

#2
Vayra86
I guess this Intel release is 10/10

Not 10nm though! :nutkick:
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#3
jabbadap
Vayra86
I guess this Intel release is 10/10

Not 10nm though! :nutkick:
Yeah it's 10+ for the tiger and 14++++++++++++++++++(oops stuck key, oh well) for the comet.
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Vayra86
jabbadap
Yeah it's 10+ for the tiger and 14++++++++++++++++++(oops stuck key, oh well) for the comet.
You sure?
"Besides talking about the AI performance of Tiger Lake, Intel didn't reveal any other details regarding the upcoming processor. "

That tells me its 14, to be honest, or just vaporware... or... 'subject to change' :)
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#5
jabbadap
Vayra86
You sure?
"Besides talking about the AI performance of Tiger Lake, Intel didn't reveal any other details regarding the upcoming processor. "

That tells me its 14, to be honest, or just vaporware... or... 'subject to change' :)
Can't be, Tiger is the successor for the 10nm only Ice Lake. Yes it might very well be vapor ware for now or that it will come late, very late. It might even be 7nm. Maybe you are thinking about 14nm Rocket Lake which will use backported Xe gen12 graphics with Skylake.
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#6
john_
This period of time, their marketing department must be enjoying much higher wages and bonuses than their engineering department.
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#7
Vayra86
jabbadap
Can't be, Tiger is the successor for the 10nm only Ice Lake. Yes it might very well be vapor ware for now or that it will come late, very late. It might even be 7nm. Maybe you are thinking about 14nm Rocket Lake which will use backported Xe gen12 graphics with Skylake.
Oh yeah, we should have 35+ models now!

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-10th-gen-ice-lake-processors-strides-in-graphics/



Nothing is impossible. Here is what I see, Jan 6 2020



But surely they have that Dell, then...
Oh wait



And note, the entire line up is still stuck at 4c8t, even. Its hilarious

EDIT: I Stand corrected. Thank you @notb and @jabbadap for pointing me to a lower i7.

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/zoeken/?keyword=i7-1065G7#filter:q1bKTq0szy9KUbJSyjTXNTQwM3U3V9JRAoqkFrllpuaAJEoyc1NhYsH5RSVAocTiZLhIQWqyJ1CZrqGOUkFiempwZlWqkpWhgUEtAA
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#8
jabbadap
Heh 10th series naming is some serious clusterf*ck. But that i7-1068G7 is 28W part anyhow, I don't think there is single one product having that cpu. Try lesser Ice Lakes like i7-1065G7, should found those on some machines(dell,hp,lenovo,microsoft etc.). And yeah max config for Ice Lake is 4c/8t, the sole reason why we have Comet lake 10th series in the first place.
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#9
Logoffon
Are we getting Rocket Lake-H 14nm++++ i9-11980HK on 6.0 GHz while we waits for the next 10nm+++ Core 2 next year?
This is going to be yet another Pentium 4, which obviously everyone knows that.
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#10
IceShroom
Most important quistion : What cpu architecture??
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#11
notb
jabbadap
But that i7-1068G7 is 28W part anyhow, I don't think there is single one product having that cpu.
I doubt we'll see that part in laptops. Maybe in NUCs or something like that.
i7-1065G7 is the real top mobile part and it's already being sold by major OEMs.
And yeah max config for Ice Lake is 4c/8t, the sole reason why we have Comet lake 10th series in the first place.
Comet Lake on 14nm exists because Intel can't make enough 10nm CPUs. They need a new generation of products for millions of laptops.
There's a slight chance 2021 will be the year when most product lineups move to 10nm.
Desktops will likely have to wait until 7nm (2022, maybe 2023).

Vayra86
Not 10nm though! :nutkick:
Of course it's 10nm.
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#12
jabbadap
IceShroom
Most important quistion : What cpu architecture??
Comet lake is with Sky Lake cores. Tiger Lake will be Willow Cove, Sunny Cove successor alas Ice Lake successor.

notb
I doubt we'll see that part in laptops. Maybe in NUCs or something like that.
i7-1065G7 is the real top mobile part and it's already being sold by major OEMs.

Comet Lake on 14nm exists because Intel can't make enough 10nm CPUs. They need a new generation of products for millions of laptops.
There's a slight chance 2021 will be the year when most product lineups move to 10nm.
Desktops will likely have to wait until 7nm (2022, maybe 2023).
Yeah been waiting that NUC or any Ice Lake nucs, but all we get is some Comet Lake/Coffee lake refresh thingies...

And true Comet Lake sure exists because of 10nm wows and it won't be a last skylake we have on 14nm either. At least Cooper Lake SP and I thought that Rocket Lake(14nm)+Tiger Lake(10nm) will co-exist in 2021 like Comet Lake and Ice Lake are now. Though Intel's roadmaps are not that trustworthy that they used to be.
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#13
Vya Domus
In addition to these products, Intel teased "AI performance" of its upcoming Tiger Lake processors. Advertising the three engine AI subsystem which consists of DL Boost, Xe Graphics, and Low Power Acceleration, these components are supposed to make for the solution that does very fast AI processing and splits the workload across all three engines, making for efficient processing.
Right, because that's on everyone's mind when they purchase these things. Does it have something about blockchian technology as well ?
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#14
Metroid
hahahahaha, reaching 5.0 single core and the other cores 1.6ghz hehe, that is intel
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#16
notb
jabbadap
Yeah been waiting that NUC or any Ice Lake nucs, but all we get is some Comet Lake/Coffee lake refresh thingies...
These refresh thingies still are a bit faster, a bit more efficient and a bit more mended (vulnerability-wise).

The brutal reality is that Intel makes a lot of chips and today there isn't enough sub-14nm supply to cover that.
Even if they outsourced production to TSMC (or AMD magically got to 100% market share tomorrow), a lot of CPUs might have to be made using older nodes.

Intel has chosen to spend 10nm they have on Ice Lake G-series, because of the fast IGP, and on few other products (mostly AI-related).
They just don't have enough of this node to make any larger product line.

Metroid
hahahahaha, reaching 5.0 single core and the other cores 1.6ghz hehe, that is intel
No, that's proper optimization of mobile chips.
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#17
jabbadap
notb
These refresh thingies still are a bit faster, a bit more efficient and a bit more mended (vulnerability-wise).
And bit more cores/threads too... But that was not the point, Ice Lake igpu is the thing which might shine better on NUCs.

notb
The brutal reality is that Intel makes a lot of chips and today there isn't enough sub-14nm supply to cover that.
Even if they outsourced production to TSMC (or AMD magically got to 100% market share tomorrow), a lot of CPUs might have to be made using older nodes.

Intel has chosen to spend 10nm they have on Ice Lake G-series, because of the fast IGP, and on few other products (mostly AI-related).
They just don't have enough of this node to make any larger product line.
There should be Ice Lake SP coming from 10nm lines at Q3 this year. So it's not only for G-series anymore.
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#18
notb
jabbadap
And bit more cores/threads too... But that was not the point, Ice Lake igpu is the thing which might shine better on NUCs.
I doubt that. You're assuming people use these NUCs for gaming?
Maybe some do, but the main use case is just normal office work. Weak NUCs are also very popular as mini servers.
There should be Ice Lake SP coming from 10nm lines at Q3 this year. So it's not only for G-series anymore.
Yup, everything will change this year. Clearly 10nm took off, with a few mainstream laptop lines going with Ice Lake.
By the end of this year Intel's 10nm will easily outsell AMD's 7nm. But it's late nevertheless.
I, for one, hoped all these mass market Inspirons and Ideapads would happen 2-3 months earlier.
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#19
Shatun_Bear
Comet Lake's on 14nm are going to be horribly inefficient compared to 7nm Ryzen 4000, even if they only hit '5ghz' for 2 seconds on boost...
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#20
notb
Shatun_Bear
Comet Lake's on 14nm are going to be horribly inefficient compared to 7nm Ryzen 4000, even if they only hit '5ghz' for 2 seconds on boost...
Not possible.
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#21
mechtech
jabbadap
Yeah it's 10+ for the tiger and 14++++++++++++++++++(oops stuck key, oh well) for the comet.
Intel is saying shortages, keep prices high, saying troubles with anything under 14nm. I wonder if it's a conspiracy? Don't bother investing and save money, reduce inventory and save money?

What were Intel's profits last quarter???

;-)
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#22
voltage
When Tiger Lake is inside, i'm interested.
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#23
Dr_b_
14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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#24
AusWolf
Another Intel architecture that is exactly the same as the last one! I'm so excited! o_O
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