Wednesday, February 10th 2021

Intel B460 and H410 Incompatibility with "Rocket Lake" Explained

Earlier this week, Intel shook the DIY PC market, particularly the vast mainstream segment, by revealing that its mid-tier B460 and entry-level H410 desktop motherboard chipsets will not be compatible with 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake-S" processors, and that only its top-tier Z490 and H470, will. We have an explanation into what's going on, after consulting with people in the know, thanks to our friends at Hardware Zone Israel, who spoke with sources within Intel. It turns out, that some batches of B460 and H410 PCH dies are re-badged from older generations of PCH, and built on the 22 nm silicon fabrication process; whereas the Z490 and H470 are based on a newer generation that's built on 14 nm. This is similar to Intel's move to carve out the B365 chipset from the older H170.

In addition to being limited to an older version of Intel ME (Management Engine), the H460 and H410 PCH lack the ability to communicate with "Rocket Lake-S" processors over side-band, using PMSYNC/PMDN signals, a design change Intel introduced with the "Tiger Lake" and "Rocket Lake" microarchitectures. The chipsets faced no such limitation with "Comet Lake-S." Intel's decision to re-badge older 22 nm-class PCH silicon as B460 and H410 may have been dictated by the company's 14 nm node volume constraints. HotHardware reports that some motherboard vendors, such as GIGABYTE, found a clever (albeit expensive) way around this limitation, by creating "V2" revisions of their existing B460 and H410 motherboards, which actually use the 14 nm H470 chipset.
Source: Hardware Zone Israel
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59 Comments on Intel B460 and H410 Incompatibility with "Rocket Lake" Explained

#53
ThrashZone
Hi,
I don't see this series as a worth wild venture from 10900k unless it's near free.
KarymidoNi'm really hoping intel New Processors and Plataforms succeed.
AMD with the lead will just keep the prices High, we all need lower prices and better performance, ZEN3 is the proof that AMD is not really all that consumer friendly.
if only Intel could stop pulling shit like this i might be more optmistic tho.
Poor inventory keeps amd prices high if amd flooded the market like they did 30 series we'd see price drops just as we do on 30 series.
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#54
newtekie1
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watzupkenYou know that there's a range of Rocket Lake processors right? Your average i3 and i5 won't be in the 600 bucks price range.
Except the i3s and maybe the i5s will be rebranded Comet Lake. And upgrading to an 11th gen i5 would just be a sidegrade anyway, as has been pointed out.
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#55
KarymidoN
ThrashZoneHi,
I don't see this series as a worth wild venture from 10900k unless it's near free.



Poor inventory keeps amd prices high if amd flooded the market like they did 30 series we'd see price drops just as we do on 30 series.
well they raised the MSRP too, lets not forget about that.
I'm an AMD user, i was prepared to switch to ZEN3 but the MSRP wanst for me, and i had stock in my country to buy, but the prices made no sense.
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#56
ThrashZone
KarymidoNwell they raised the MSRP too, lets not forget about that.
I'm an AMD user, i was prepared to switch to ZEN3 but the MSRP wanst for me, and i had stock in my country to buy, but the prices made no sense.
Hi,
MSRP after 6-8 months usually doesn't mean much if sells are low one just has to wait for the price to drop which is the hard part for most :-)
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#58
KarymidoN
ThrashZoneHi,
MSRP after 6-8 months usually doesn't mean much if sells are low one just has to wait for the price to drop which is the hard part for most :)
not everywhere, in Brazil (the country i live) The MSRP almost never goes down, sometimes you can get a promo, but only if you wait till a new gen comes, so the old one goes on sale.
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#59
Mr Bill
Since I'm old and clueless, is it just the gamers that have to have the latest and greatest? Or, is it also some normal everyday PC users with lots of money that have a need for speed? Because my old 4th Gen i5 with 16 gig ram, just smokes across the web, of course my 1GHz internet helps. I can remember when there were lines out overnight at all the iPhone stores, because some had to have the latest and greatest, has the iPhone syndrome infected the PC world, or did it just spread by itself? :D
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