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AMD has officially announced the AMD Radeon RX 9070 GRE, the China-exclusive high-end RDNA 4 gaming GPU

"high end" ... of course for a low end entry gaming graphic card. I can call everything high end, but not this product. A nivida 4090 may be high end.

This would have been a nice option if it was coming at a $479 MSRP. That boost speed just so to make artificially the GRE faster than the plain 9070 was the worst move AMD could do and an indication that they are not trying to grab market share but take advantage of the situation to make a profit. I am also really hoping AMD to not thinking of replacing the plain 9070 with the GRE.

I really don't understand how those behind the Radeon brand think. Maybe like.....
"Oh s__t, we have a success. How are we going to fix that?"

john_This would have been a nice option if it was coming at a $479 MSRP. That boost speed just so to make artificially the GRE faster than the plain 9070 was the worst move AMD could do and an indication that they are not trying to grab market share but take advantage of the situation to make a profit. I am also really hoping AMD to not thinking of replacing the plain 9070 with the GRE.

I really don't understand how those behind the Radeon brand think. Maybe like.....
"Oh s__t, we have a success. How are we going to fix that?"

Are you upset? If so, why? It's a China only product, it's not like it affects your life in any way. ;)

_roman_"high end" ... of course for a low end entry gaming graphic card. I can call everything high end, but not this product. A nivida 4090 may be high end.

It depends which way you look at it. Considering that midrange performance (x60 cards) hasn't moved an inch in the last generation or two (or three, or four...), I'd say an x70 card that has double the resources to work with in the fully enabled GPU die, is pretty high end.

AusWolfAre you upset? If so, why? It's a China only product, it's not like it affects your life in any way. ;)

It does. AMD comparing GRE to plain 9070 and advertising that GRE is better than the plain 9070 is bad news. It means that AMD is probably thinking of promoting GRE, that comes with 48 CUs and 12GB of VRAM, as a better product than the 9070 that comes with 56 CUs and 16GB VRAM. So, I am thinking that AMD is seeing GRE as a better, FOR THEM, product, because they can probably use more defective dies, build it on a cheaper PCB and also have to use less VRAM while probably selling it for not much less than the plain 9070 and also increasing the distance in performance between the 9070XT and the second product in line, pushing people to buy the more expensive product.
If that theory is correct, then the arrogand, greedy, shortsighted, moronic opinions in the Radeon Group are back and that will affect ALL Radeon models in the market, meaning also any future options I will have in front me in case I decide to upgrade(and if my options is GRE at 600 euros or XT at 900 euros I will NOT upgrade to an AMD).

john_It does. AMD comparing GRE to plain 9070 and advertising that GRE is better than the plain 9070 is bad news. It means that AMD is probably thinking of promoting GRE, that comes with 48 CUs and 12GB of VRAM, as a better product than the 9070 that comes with 56 CUs and 16GB VRAM. So, I am thinking that AMD is seeing GRE as a better, FOR THEM, product, because they can probably use more defective dies, build it on a cheaper PCB and also have to use less VRAM while probably selling it for not much less than the plain 9070 and also increasing the distance in performance between the 9070XT and the second product in line, pushing people to buy the more expensive product.
If that theory is correct, then the arrogand, greedy, shortsighted, moronic opinions in the Radeon Group are back and that will affect ALL Radeon models in the market, meaning also any future options I will have in front me in case I decide to upgrade(and if my options is GRE at 600 euros or XT at 900 euros I will NOT upgrade to an AMD).

I don't know where is the comparison with the 9070 like the article mentions, though? In the third picture, the comparison is clearly against the 7900 GRE.

john_It does. AMD comparing GRE to plain 9070 and advertising that GRE is better than the plain 9070 is bad news. It means that AMD is probably thinking of promoting GRE, that comes with 48 CUs and 12GB of VRAM, as a better product than the 9070 that comes with 56 CUs and 16GB VRAM. So, I am thinking that AMD is seeing GRE as a better, FOR THEM, product, because they can probably use more defective dies, build it on a cheaper PCB and also have to use less VRAM while probably selling it for not much less than the plain 9070 and also increasing the distance in performance between the 9070XT and the second product in line, pushing people to buy the more expensive product.
If that theory is correct, then the arrogand, greedy, shortsighted, moronic opinions in the Radeon Group are back and that will affect ALL Radeon models in the market, meaning also any future options I will have in front me in case I decide to upgrade(and if my options is GRE at 600 euros or XT at 900 euros I will NOT upgrade to an AMD).

Again: this is a China-only product. It'll most likely be used in internet cafés running MOBA-type games. They don't need high amounts of VRAM for that. AMD isn't advertising this to you, but to them.

You need to understand the target audience to understand the product and the marketing behind it.

wNotyarDI don't know where is the comparison with the 9070 like the article mentions, though? In the third picture, the comparison is clearly against the 7900 GRE.

You are right. Probably a hasty mistake from @Cpt.Jank . I only focused on the article, but if we see the picture and also go at the source links, the comparison in with 7900 GRE.
So, all my theory is a pile of trash and that's great!!!!

AusWolfAgain: this is a China-only product. It'll most likely be used in internet cafés running MOBA-type games. They don't need high amounts of VRAM for that. AMD isn't advertising this to you, but to them.

You need to understand the target audience to understand the product and the marketing behind it.

You are wrong (fortunately I was also wrong).

GRE products might be starting in China, but they don't remain necessarily in China. Also you can't have contradicting marketing campaigns for the same product, just because they are targeting different audiences, especially when those marketing campaigns are based on benchmarks.

john_You are wrong (fortunately I was also wrong).

GRE products might be starting in China, but they don't remain necessarily in China. Also you can't have contradicting marketing campaigns for the same product, just because they are targeting different audiences, especially when those marketing campaigns are based on benchmarks.

If it doesn't remain in China, even then, you just won't buy it. It's that simple. There's nothing to be pissed off about.

Personally, I think this could be a great middle ground between the 9060 XT and 9070, but the price needs to be right. The equivalent of $617 is too much.

AusWolfIf it doesn't remain in China, even then, you just won't buy it. It's that simple. There's nothing to be pissed off about.

Personally, I think this could be a great middle ground between the 9060 XT and 9070, but the price needs to be right. The equivalent of $617 is too much.

I think you are missing the point about my negative reaction. And that was the comparison with the plain 9070. Fortunately this is not the case and the comparison is with 7900 GRE.

China gets some pretty cool exclusive cards.

Also it's weird that they gave the 9070 GRE Pulse a 3 fan cooler, as on the 9070 XT, whereas the 9070 Pulse is a dual fan solution and they both have 220W TDP.

itzFizzerChina gets some pretty cool exclusive cards.

Also it's weird that they gave the 9070 GRE Pulse a 3 fan cooler, as on the 9070 XT, whereas the 9070 Pulse is a dual fan solution and they both have 220W TDP.

Chinese like big, anything they want big, like a car, BMW Mercedes Audi China special edition is too long.




In China, this 9070 GRE is already on pre-sale, the latest price is 4199RMB, only 41USD cheaper than 9070, 69 USD cheaper than 9070 XT, no one will buy this card, it must be 9070 XT is the most cost-effective.

can some creative OEM slap 16GB on this card?

AusWolfIf it doesn't remain in China, even then, you just won't buy it. It's that simple. There's nothing to be pissed off about.

This kind of attitude is how we ended up in this situation, where the entire stack of products from both companies are terrible terrible value.

Just don't buy anything, then. It's that simple. You're not allowed to comment on the state of things unless someone is directly depriving you of food, oxygen, or water. You simply don't "need" anything else.

Also, 7900 GRE went worldwide (and became quite popular) even though it started as a "China-only" card. You can learn a little bit from history.

FiredropsThis kind of attitude is how we ended up in this situation, where the entire stack of products from both companies are terrible terrible value.

How? By not buying things? I thought it was the exact opposite.

FiredropsJust don't buy anything, then. It's that simple. You're not allowed to comment on the state of things unless someone is directly depriving you of food, oxygen, or water. You simply don't "need" anything else.

No need to twist my words, dude. There are options that aren't terrible value, like the vanilla 9070. And even if you don't like any new card, you can still keep your old one. It's not like games advanced so much within the last year or two that you desperately need a new graphics card unless you're on something really old.

FiredropsAlso, 7900 GRE went worldwide (and became quite popular) even though it started as a "China-only" card. You can learn a little bit from history.

Sure. And?

Hmm 6% faster than the 7900 GRE is very impressive for 1440p. Looking here the 5070 is 8% faster than the 7900 GRE at 1440p, the 4070 Super 4%, so the 9070 GRE would be in between those.
I'll take this with a large tablespoon of salt. I would guess the general benchmarked results when the card will be launched will be a pinch lower than these advertised results.
Still very good though, needs a worlwide release to really strangle the 5070.

john_This would have been a nice option if it was coming at a $479 MSRP.

What? $450 or DOA man, don't enable the greed.
Remember that AMD made a last minute MSRP change for the 9070 XT.
They need to be pressured again, if not it will go to their head and start thinking they're in charge of setting prices. We are! No cheap -> no buy!

AMD fooled me several times. That stuff will be in Europe but very late when no one wants it anymore.
AMD managed to lose my interest on the 9070 whatever cards anyway. The 95% i'd buy it was changed to 0% i'll buy it. My graphic card has 2 years warranty till November 2025.

450 US dollar, 400€ far too overpriced for the outdated performance. you have to consider how late these cards will be available anyway. maybe early 2026?

Edit: Celebrates the ignore button // So sad my browser seems to need a browser refresh to realise that.

FiredropsThis kind of attitude is how we ended up in this situation, where the entire stack of products from both companies are terrible terrible value.

Just don't buy anything, then. It's that simple. You're not allowed to comment on the state of things unless someone is directly depriving you of food, oxygen, or water. You simply don't "need" anything else.

Also, 7900 GRE went worldwide (and became quite popular) even though it started as a "China-only" card. You can learn a little bit from history.

AusWolfHow? By not buying things? I thought it was the exact opposite.


No need to twist my words, dude. There are options that aren't terrible value, like the vanilla 9070. And even if you don't like any new card, you can still keep your old one. It's not like games advanced so much within the last year or two that you desperately need a new graphics card unless you're on something really old.


Sure. And?

Man, it seems like both of you are close to the same conclusion but just cannot bridge the gap. Let me attempt it.

If you look at the stack, AMD is offering something that is actually a bit interesting assuming they get the prices correct.
9060 - 8 GB (genuine current offering value model)
9060 - 16 GB (value model with enough VRAM to last)
9070 GRE - 12 GB (less hardware to meet export restrictions, but higher boost clock)
9070 - 16 GB (reasonable value)
9070xt - 16GB (highest clocks)

You are more than welcome to quibble on cost, but there's a world where the entire stack is actually a good offering in the realm of what used to be middle tier cards...even though these suckers are at the $600+ range with MSRPs (let alone actual street pricing). Cool. Can we agree that the 9070GRE isn't a direct competitor with the 9070...but that there's definitely a segment who would see great value in the extra clocks even with less actual computation? Absolutely. This is like the 5060 and 5060ti (and 5060ti 16GB). Each of them definitely has a usage case...but each of those usage cases may not apply to you...and if they introduced a 5060 super that went down 20% on CUDA count but increased clocks there may be a group that absolutely thought it was "the best" version of the 5060 because their game of choice didn't require the hardware but flourished on the extra clock cycles.

I know this may be hard to fathom for some, but the 9070 GRE is not inherently a flop or disappointing. You may personally think it's a problem, but I'd bet if they priced it right that the think would have no problems moving units.


On the other hand, let me inject some opinion. I recently purchased a laptop with a 5080 for work to use a 3d scanner program. Their first recommendation is to roll back drivers to before the 5080 released...because it constantly crashes their software. Crap. The new $3000 gaming laptop is earmarked by IT to run an AI farm, and we buy a more expensive 4090 model off Amazon to get something to work our 60k scanner. Everyone bemoans AMD, but the Blackwell launch has killed 32 bit Physx, borked hardware, and their next release after a few weeks...still has the software suite borked because why did I ever think Nvidia could fix their turd with enough polishing? My point is that sometimes "the best" hardware sucks...and if the laptop couldn't be replaced and earmarked by another unit inside our business it'd have been a gigantic Nvidia shaped failure of a product despite theoretically being the most powerful stuff out their for professional applications. I...subscribe to the thought process that everything has a value where it will sell, and the difference between good and bad products is how they sell themselves. That said, in my book the GRE is only interesting if it can overcome its flaws by being priced and available to move...and if it is a mostly Chinese product it means I don't even have to care because it'll never meet the availability requirements for me to care.

_roman_China only -- -- It makes easier to ignore some brands and graphic cards



"high end" ... of course for a low end entry gaming graphic card. I can call everything high end, but not this product. A nivida 4090 may be high end.

Price Tier Classification:

1. High-End Tier: £400+
   • Represents premium products with advanced features and quality.
2. Halo Tier: £600+
   • Aspirational, top-tier offerings that elevate brand perception (e.g., flagship or limited-edition products).
3. Ultra-Luxury/Specialized Tier: £800+
   • Exclusivity-driven pricing, often associated with:
     • Monopolistic luxury brands (ultra-premium, status-driven goods).
     • Specialized high-fidelity (hi-fi) equipment (niche, performance-focused audio gear).
   • May reflect diminishing returns for general consumers, but targets collectors or enthusiasts.

I’ll wait to see if Radeon 7800 XT-level performance ever drops below £300. Given the current pace of ‘progress’ in GPU pricing, I suspect it could take a couple of years—perhaps even longer—for that tier to become realistic.

Oh, great, what's it gonna be priced at with this one? $450? $500? Pass.

Dwardencan some creative OEM slap 16GB on this card?

I wish.

Dwardencan some creative OEM slap 16GB on this card?

It's certainly do-able with a bit (a lot) of patience and a soldering iron :D