Thursday, November 22nd 2007

AMD/ATI turns back on AGP users

For the past few months some of ATI's older AGP cards like the x800 and other second generation series cards, have been unable to run the latest Direct3D games. Users have noted problems in Hellgate London, Call of Duty 4, Gears of War, Need for Speed Pro Street, and Crysis(These problems often consist of not just minor artifacts, but D3D not even working!). These second generation series cards can not even pass Direct x diagnostics with the current drivers. Some say that those users on "old" graphics cards should upgrade and its simply their fault for having outdated technology. This Bias is contrary to what is actually going on, the x800 series cards are perfectly capable of running most of these games at medium to high settings especially Call of Duty 4 and Hellgate London. The Second and Third Generation ATI graphics cards are often referred to as minimum requirements for these new games, and yet they are incredibly unstable right now. And as being listed under AMD/ATI's supported products list, these cards should work with the latest drivers, but they don't. These problems started roughly with the 7.9 Catalyst release (Back on November 10th). Today ATI released its 7.11 Catalyst set of drivers and still has not provided a solution for these second generation AGP cards.
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Their are two methods to get around this problem.
The first and in my opinion best solution is Omega Drivers 7.10 Release. The omega drivers release is fully compatible with AGP.

According to Deluxe TNT over at Guru3d forums this method yields the following results:
Hellgate London: 100%
Call of duty 4: 100%
Gears of War: 100%
NFS pro street: High frame Stutter even with Frame Rates Above 50+ FPS
Crysis: Untested

The Second method is to install 7.7 Catalyst Drivers then copy the ati3duag.dll and ati3d1ag.dll(if u have this) from last working driver (7.8;7.x) in system32 to a temporary location. Next uninstall the 7.7 drivers and do a driver clean with driver cleaner pro. Then install 7.10 Catalyst drivers.Finally replace the 7.10 ati3duag.dll in safemode! with the one you copied to a temporary directory from 7.7 release.

See This solution here

According to Deluxe TNT over at Guru3d forums this method yields the following results:

Hellgate: Working but some low FPS
Call of duty 4: 100% ok
Gears of War: 100% ok
NFS Pro Street: untested.
Crysis: working but with bugs and terrible graphics

The best of luck to you who are toughing it out with x800 cards, hopefully AMD/ATI will help out the old AGP users soon. I hope this helps some of those select users with this major problem. Might I add a Personal Happy Turkey Day to those of you who live in the United States!Source: Guru 3d Forums
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63 Comments on AMD/ATI turns back on AGP users

#1
Widjaja
InnocentCriminal said:
People that buy an AGP system now over a PCIe one are really stupid.
I agree.
The reason I am still on AGP is the fact I bought a X1950pro when I had a P4 system.
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#2
niko084
TheGuruStud said:
Actually, our dollar is so worthless that it really doesn't have to be too far off haha.
Gold is like 800/ounce, was 280 before bush ran us into the ground. Gold hasn't really increased in value. The USD is just that worthless.
Eh learn something about economics before you go running off saying its a presidents fault...
Its the way our economy works in general, this countries companies screwed up when they started importing everything and took out almost all industry. It's corporate greed for money that in the end tumbles itself.

By the way yes I have taken multiple advanced economics and business classes.
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#3
Scrizz
ex_reven said:
Depends how old it is i guess.
But that depends on your definition of support.

Are we talking minimum driver support, or the lot (drivers, help files, software packages etc)
ok HD2600 agp released in 2007, right?
so if they have stopped supporting(drivers, software, etc.) agp, it has been less than a year.
I just don't think it's right to cut support that soon.
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#4
Scrizz
niko084 said:
Eh learn something about economics before you go running off saying its a presidents fault...
Its the way our economy works in general, this countries companies screwed up when they started importing everything and took out almost all industry. It's corporate greed for money that in the end tumbles itself.

By the way yes I have taken multiple advanced economics and business classes.
Ain't that right, customer service sux now :laugh: :shadedshu
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#5
Ketxxx
Heedless Psychic
InnocentCriminal said:
AGP won't die until manufacturers completely stop supporting the interface, it maybe ageing but it's not dead, there is still a lot of money to be made from people that can't afford a new system. Why is it whining that customers are slightly pissed off that their cards won't work on software they're supposed to be supported by? Plus, you're telling me that you gave up your PCIe motherboard and adopted PCIe2.0 straight away? Not everyone has money to splash out on the latest new components.
I havent got PCI-E2.0, its a marketing scam IMO. Any mobo that allows PCI-E frequency adjustment should be able to run a PCI-E 2 card fine, as the card is designed for a bus of 200MHz, there should be little to no problems raising a PCI-E bus to 200MHz aside from perhaps needing to raise PCI-E voltage slightly. I fail to see where AGP makes a lot of money anymore, and any AGP user that has the money to splash out on the best AGP card available clearly has enough money to build a new system.
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#6
Widjaja
Ketxxx said:
any AGP user that has the money to splash out on the best AGP card available clearly has enough money to build a new system.
A whole new decent gaming system is more than one of the latest AGP cards.:wtf:

I think it's more of "this is as much as I have to spend right now and I want to play the latest games right now."

Bottom line is Intel and AMD have stopped making 478skt,939skt and lower.
So there will be no CPU UPGRADES to these boards so why go and by the latest AGP card for something which is going to bottleneck it badly?

If you can't crack 5K in 3Dmark06' with a X1950pro AGP then the CPU bottleneck is too much IMO.
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#7
Ketxxx
Heedless Psychic
The point I'm making is that with how much the best AGP card costs, the same can be used to build a new box and the user can put up with an el-cheapo card for a month or two until they can afford a better card. Hell el-cheapo cards now even allow for ok gaming, just look at a 2600, its not great, but its cheap and gets the job done.
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#8
black light burns
erocker said:
Quit your bitchin and use 7.6's. We all have to let go of AGP sometime. Hell, at least ATi still supports it's older AGP chipsets as well. Good luck getting Nvidia to support NF3 anymore, AGP is dead... move on.
couldn't have put it better myself i agree with you.:toast:
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#9
Makaveli
Widjaja said:
X1950pro & 7900GS should be the last of the AGP cards I believe.
Wer'e not coming down to the AGP interface after that.
Wer'e looking at the CPU bottleneck.
The CPU bottle neck on any card released after the X1950pro would be stupid.
I mean the CPU bottle neck on a P4 3.0Ghz HT is enough.

I believe the best option would be to get a motherboard with PCI-E interface and PCI-E card if you have a 939skt.

This way you don't have to get a whole new system until later.
One bonus is not being in the firing line of the people who own PCI-E systems.
If you want to be cool you can tell how the AGP users they are using an obselete interface and should just go buy a new PC even though you know they are only using it because they can't afford to buy a new PC.

j/k:shadedshu
This is what I just did. I'm currently on a Nforce 3 AGP board with a X1950pro, and a gamer.

I just picked up a Used Asus A8N32 SLI for 49.99 off Ebay. This way I won't be held hostage to AGP and can now go PCI E while keeping the rest of my components in check.

when the time is right and phenom has matured so probably summer for B3 revision that is when I do a complete overhaul while keeping the PCI E card i'm soon to buy.

I love my current board has served me well from 2005, but not being able to buy a highend cards and being stuck to midrange cards, which have a much lower resale value forced me to go PCI-E.
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#10
erocker
You are going to love that Asus A8n board! The bios is a little "wierd" but it is awesome! Our systems are going to be pretty close! I pretty much upgraded the same way you did.
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#11
lemonadesoda
Makaveli said:
I love my current board has served me well from 2005, but not being able to buy a highend cards and being stuck to midrange cards, which have a much lower resale value forced me to go PCI-E.
AGP HD3850's will be out for Xmas :rolleyes:

Low power too.
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#12
Widjaja
erocker said:
You are going to love that Asus A8n board! The bios is a little "wierd" but it is awesome! Our systems are going to be pretty close! I pretty much upgraded the same way you did.
I've been looking at an ASUS A8N SLi Deluxe for the same price.

No too sure on GPU yet.
Either a eVGA 8800GTS 320 super overclock or a 8800GT.

The bios can't be weirder than the AV8 I'm currently using.
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#13
Makaveli
lemonadesoda said:
AGP HD3850's will be out for Xmas :rolleyes:

Low power too.
Ya but I won't be going back to a 256mb Card from my current one.

its either 8800GT or 3870 nothing less.
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