Friday, June 6th 2008

Western Digital Working on 20,000 RPM Raptor Drive

Sources close to bit-tech.net and the hard drive industry have revealed information that Western Digital is working on a 20,000 RPM Raptor hard drive to counter SSD drives. Just like the company's latest 10,000 RPM VelociRaptor (300GB, SATA 3Gb/s, 16MB Cache), the 20,000 RPM unit will come in a 2.5-inch form factor with custom 3.5-inch enclosure. Other details are still unknown, since the drive is still in development stage. No release date has been unveiled, too.Source: bit-tech.net
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82 Comments on Western Digital Working on 20,000 RPM Raptor Drive

#1
AsRock
TPU addict
Sounds kinda cool. And knowing WD they will put a 5year warranty on it too if not more.. Think the price will be to much for me but should be a good if not a very good HDD.
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#2
hat
Enthusiast
In a related story, watch as this man from WD labs generates a mini black hole with the motor of thier new 20k rpm hard drive.
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#3
Error 404
Snipermonkey2 said:
SSD has no problems writing mass amounts of data but when it comes to reading that data it is slower that a normal HD so the 20k RPM drive would give it a run for the money unless they solve that read problem with SSD.
Looks like they are getting there with the read problem, as this article shows:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=62222
Another interesting part can be found in form of a compact flash card. The 16GB Turbo version is now a bit faster than before (up to 300x from 266x), but the 300x now applies to write speed as well as read speed! The microSD card capacity has been bumped to 8GB. There is nothing new with the 2.5 inch SSDs besides the new labels, but A-DATA is also offering 1.8 inch versions now.
Also, if you wanted to set up a multimedia center in your lounge room, with super-fast video streaming, then you'd want to use an SSD instead of a fast hard drive. Same if you wanted good gaming performance with a quiet computer.
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#6
Laurijan
If this new 20k drive comes with the same price/performance ratio the 10k comes with.. it is still no option for me.. 10k Raptor 36.7GB = 98,90€ LOL (price taken from verkkokauppa.com a big player in finland)
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#7
Drac
WD the most unreliable company, damn, i will never buy something of them, and its late for 20k, in 1 year the people will start buying SSD and in 2 years the normal HDD's will be dead, its a waste of money, this will consume more than 2 times of energy of a 7200 rpm hdd and more than 4 times of a SSD, and the heat and noise and failures, no thanks
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#8
AsRock
TPU addict
Drac said:
WD the most unreliable company, damn, i will never buy something of them, and its late for 20k, in 1 year the people will start buying SSD and in 2 years the normal HDD's will be dead, its a waste of money, this will consume more than 2 times of energy of a 7200 rpm hdd and more than 4 times of a SSD, and the heat and noise and failures, no thanks
Well i have used WD's since there 800MB drives and had less issue's with them than any other. Then again i did have 1 issue which was the PCB of the 800MB HDD which came loose and easy fix. Other from that nothing. I guess thats why i run 5 of them in just this setup.
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#9
twicksisted
Drac said:
WD the most unreliable company, damn, i will never buy something of them, and its late for 20k, in 1 year the people will start buying SSD and in 2 years the normal HDD's will be dead, its a waste of money, this will consume more than 2 times of energy of a 7200 rpm hdd and more than 4 times of a SSD, and the heat and noise and failures, no thanks
your sources????....

more specifically... for reliability, power consumption of a drive that hasnt been released, the heat of the unreleased drive and the noise...
To be honest (and im guilty of this too)... people have one component fail on them, and they suddenly hate it... blaming that manufacturer of having crap components and never to buy from them again.

im 29, have been involved in IT for the last 12 years professionally... have always sworn by WD drives and still have a few IDE drives from when i first got in the game... they have never skipped a beat. I bought one Maxtor drive... it failed after 2 years... now what? qwell... i have never bought maxtor again...and i tell everyone i know to stay away.

moral of the story... i buy WD... why?... becuase for me i have never had any problems in 12 years... luck?... perhaps
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#10
candle_86
magibeg said:
At such a high RPM i wonder what the failure rate of these babies will be. Theres going to be so much more force involved now.
thats why its 2.5 instead of 3.5 so they dont shatter the platter. There is alot less force the shotter the circumferance is
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#12
lemonadesoda
That price is only for government contracts! LOL
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#13
Atnevon
If it spins fast enough it might just send your compy back in time.

But what a waste in my opinion. SSD is the new way. Thats it. They should concentrate on that FSB problem first to make computers faster.
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#14
jonmcc33
I wonder what the reliability of the new 2.5-inch form factor is? Seen so many laptop hard drives fail that I'd question the 300GB VelociRaptor. 20K RPM? Does it sound like a GeForce FX?
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#15
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
i dont understand either..i wouldnt buy one...SSD all the way how a hard drive can ever beat an SSD is beyond me...i mean moving parts versus not...it just makes sense.
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#18
Mussels
Moderprator
DO. NOT. WANT.

my 10k raptor is excessively loud, and no matter the RPM it cant match the access times of an SSD drive.
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#19
Breit
Haytch said:
SSD has been proven to be unreliable over long durations of time, so the ssd technology is far from ready to take over, regardless of the unreliablility factor a 20k rpm hdd would have.

My 10k Raptor is pretty much faster then then my 15k Cheetah.
That said, the 20k WD will be the most dominant performing hdd available vs price untill ssd prices are reduced significally.

Heat and cooling is only an issue for those that have issues! Try moving to a more computer friendly country as opposed to bitching about ambient temps.

20,000 rpm isnt just a random number. Its to symbolize how fast we can read the cornflakes box.
dude, how old is your cheetah? i mean they build them for a while now and comparing a seven year old drive to a new one isn't that fair. maybe you try again with a fujitsu mba or the new seagate 15k.6 ... ;)

but to be honest, i don't beleave the 20k hdd thing anyways. if it is technically possible to manufacture such thing with the reliability of the actual 15k sas hdds then why hasn't any major player in the enterprise storage market even thought about it? i mean this is the market where the fast drives where build for and not those lousy home computers...
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#20
Breit
[I.R.A]_FBi said:
1 TB is in hot deals section for 160
hmm i think there is a difference between a huge drive and a fast drive like it is for cars... no one expects a schoolbus to run 320km/h at top speed or get the quarter mile done in under 10 sec... :cool:
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#21
Mussels
Moderprator
Haytch: SSD drives have proven unreliable over long periods of time... who the hell has had one for a long period of time? please dont make facts up, thats impossible as no one has had an SSD for more than a year anyway. You're talking about FLASH drives, which are similar, but not the same tech.
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#22
Snipermonkey2
Yeah but right now SSD cost more than 15rpm drives and SSD is still slower on its read times compared to a 7200rpm, so it is not cost affective yet. Unless prices and speeds beat a 7200rpm drive I wouldn't touch a SSD. Its not worth giving the speed up for less power usage and less noise if it can't even out do a 7200rpm drive.
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#23
Mussels
Moderprator
Snipermonkey2 said:
Yeah but right now SSD cost more than 15rpm drives and SSD is still slower on its read times compared to a 7200rpm, so it is not cost affective yet. Unless prices and speeds beat a 7200rpm drive I wouldn't touch a SSD. Its not worth giving the speed up for less power usage and less noise if it can't even out do a 7200rpm drive.
no they arent. there was a news item here recently of a 256GB samsung SSD that managed 200MB/s sustained read. SSD's ARE faster than mechanical drives - its merely that people testing them are using really old models because they're cheaper.

Not to mention in access times, any old SSD is faster than even a 20K RPM drive.
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#24
Snipermonkey2
Mussels said:
no they arent. there was a news item here recently of a 256GB samsung SSD that managed 200MB/s sustained read. SSD's ARE faster than mechanical drives - its merely that people testing them are using really old models because they're cheaper.

Not to mention in access times, any old SSD is faster than even a 20K RPM drive.
That is not true for when you are trying to read a mass amount of data. If SSD was faster for access times then the music industry would use them. Also if the 256GB Samsung is $1,000 its not worth it at all. I Could build a SCSI raid setup for that money. Or have a few Raptors in a raid.
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#25
Mussels
Moderprator
Snipermonkey2 said:
That is not true for when you are trying to read a mass amount of data. If SSD was faster for access times then the music industry would use them. Also if the 256GB Samsung is $1,000 its not worth it at all. I Could build a SCSI raid setup for that money. Or have a few Raptors in a raid.
ummm what? seriously if you think SSD's are slower in access times, you need to really get your facts straight. SSD's are in nanoseconds, mechanical drives in miliseconds. its a massive difference. the music industry dont use them.. BECAUSE THEY ARE NEW.

Congratulations on the price comment, again - these are NEW TECH. theyve barely reached the market, and only in very expensive circles... that doesnt make them useless. that makes them new, and not mass produced yet.
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