DarkMatterBoth Ati and Nvidia have been releasing this kind of cards forever, until Ati or should I say AMD changed their strategy and used the same than with CPUs. This card is not more expensive (or faster in comparison with the previous generation) than flagship cards of the past. That fact alone cantrasts with your claim of Nvidia being more and more elitist. Also taking into account the manufacturing cost of the GT200 and the PCB Nvidia with this card is in fact charging a lot less than with previous models and certainly less than Ati in that respect. Another fact is that Nvidia can't directly control the price that retailers put to the cards, they can just "suggest" a price, and somehow punish them if they fail to follow it, i.e. offering a worst deal the next time. Anyhow you can't blame the retailer from trying to make money out of it.

Hey im all for making money more power to you, but ALL im saying is thats how i see it as an end user im not expecting ATI to pull a magic rabbit out of there ass, im just saying thats how i see this card at this moment in time, As Megasty posted " If this card is really worth $700 when it comes out here then so be it, I'll be happy for NV " and same here if it kills all ATI's offering then well done to NV but until then thats how i see it...And as far as manufacturing cost go i really couldnt care less all i care about is the results no matter who makes the card.:)

Gam

Edit: Also i retract " Nvidia being elitist " Bad wording on my part it wasnt what i was trying to convey. Ignore that comment.

DarkMatterWhatever. I'm really interested in seing the day when a $300 0.8 billion transistor card can beat a $600 1.4 billion transistor one. I AM, believe me, but I know a bit how graphics cards work and you just can't improve your silicon so much in one generation. I would love to see myself having to eat these words, but it won't happen.

You say that but look at NV & the G80, it blew everything out of the water in one generation :rolleyes:

Both of these chips were in development prior to the release of the last generation if you believe the heresay ;)

MegastyYou say that but look at NV & the G80, it blew everything out of the water in one generation :rolleyes:

Both of these chips were in development prior to the release of the last generation if you believe the heresay ;)

G71- 278 million transistors
R580- 384 million transistor
R600 - 700 million transistors
G80 - 680 million transistor + unknown number for the daughter die
RV670 - 666 million transistors
G92 - 754 million transistors, daughter die eliminated

RV770 - 800 million transistors, we'll see if the number is correct when it launches, by the cost it would be correct.
GT200 - 1400 million transistors, again we'll see at launch, by costs seems correct.

Do you see any trend in the first cards from both camps that changed in the last one?

EDIT: Also maybe you want to put those cards in order of performance and see what happens? Probably G80 + die daughter is bigger than G92, FYI.

DarkMatterG71- 278 million transistors
R580- 384 million transistor
R600 - 700 million transistors
G80 - 680 million transistor + unknown number for the daughter die
RV670 - 666 million transistors
G92 - 754 million transistors, daughter die eliminated

RV770 - 800 million transistors, we'll see if the number is correct when it launches, by the cost it would be correct.
GT200 - 1400 million transistors, again we'll see at launch, by costs seems correct.

Do you see any trend in the first cards from both camps that changed in the last one?

EDIT: Also maybe you want to put those cards in order of performance and see what happens? Probably G80 + die daughter is bigger than G92, FYI.

I don't know what you're getting at. I never said that the RV770 will beat the GT200 cause it won't & it can't :confused:

God, but you did show the generation gap of the G71 & G80. The GT200 is just as an impressive gap :p

The R700 has the paper ability to beat the GT200. Sticking 2 RV770's together is probably more brute force than NV has ever pulled. ATi must be like if one of our cheapo GPUs can't cut the competition then lets play two :p

It'll leave NV in a hole because it costs $150 for one GT200 chip. It won't be cost effective for a GT200 GX2 or something. Maybe the die shrink will allow for more transistor w/o added cost like the G80 - G92.

I can't believe the price on this card. With the way prices are for everything here in the states it will be a hard sell right now. Looks like they just want you to hang on to your old card at that price.

MegastyI don't know what you're getting at. I never said that the RV770 will beat the GT200 cause it won't & it can't :confused:

God, but you did show the generation gap of the G71 & G80. The GT200 is just as an impressive gap :p

The R700 has the paper ability to beat the GT200. Sticking 2 RV770's together is probably more brute force than NV has ever pulled. ATi must be like if one of our cheapo GPUs can't cut the competition then lets play two :p

It'll leave NV in a hole because it costs $150 for one GT200 chip. It won't be cost effective for a GT200 GX2 or something. Maybe the die shrink will allow for more transistor w/o added cost like the G80 - G92.

We should read better each other then, because I had the impression that you were stating that Ati had a chance performance wise with RV770. On the other hand you seem to think I am counting Ati off, which is not true. Both will have their market and both are worth the money. Ati could have the "psychological" advantage of selling their cards at the HOT SPOT AND being NEW.

HOT SPOT against GT200.

NEW against 9800 cards. I don't think HD4 cards are going to be better price/performance wise than 9800 cards once they go down to the price they should be: 8800's price. They will be faster but not improve p/p by much.

That's my view. Nvidia won't be out of the game at all. By your comments that's what I thought you were saying.

Gam'sterEdit: Also i retract " Nvidia being elitist " Bad wording on my part it wasnt what i was trying to convey. Ignore that comment.

That's all I was disscusing to.

That's daylight robbery ........:(

ShadowFoldIf its actually 912$ then im never buying Nvidia again. Thats just plain stupid, screw that!

It won't cost 912$, the seemingly high price is due to the high value of the euro against the poor dollar, but the dollar has a lot higher purchase power - I think the price would translate to 600-700-ish.

[I.R.A]_FBi900 dollars can build a quad core pc ...

Im from Australia, and cbf looking up the exchange rate difference between $900us and what that translates to Au$. Im just pretty sure its not too much of a difference.

That said, my CPU alone cost more then $1500Au.

I remember when i preordered my EN8800GTX as soon as i heard of its release.
I paid $1250Au, cash on delivery 29th September 2006 and was worth every cent.

I really got what i paid for, for a long long period of time, and it was only recently i was able to upgrade the single slot EN8800GTX with a 3870x2, which i replaced with the 9800gx2.

I wont be preordering a 280GTX because i will be doing a Greek Island tour thingo over the release date, which i think is ideal because when im done rocking the islands, ill be back intime for a price battle.

A QX9770 is 1,500USD and I think a video card has a lot more parts on it.

So is it to high to charge a grand?

I'm betting this place is going to rake in the $$ from the noobs and at retail release will drop dramatically. They are the only ones offering it for preorder (THAT I'M AWARE OF) so they will charge what they want and (stupid) people will pay it.

If not then OUCH it aint happening for me . . .

Remember the 6800 Ultras went for similar price at first.

I really don't think that the price is the right price... I believe its a way to make sure who ever buys it now, will have enough money to buy the card. Whenever you Pre-order from say Gamestop, you aren't billed the price of the product once it is able to ship out to you...I've never pre-ordered a computer part, but I would think of it as the same way...
Ether way, I'm not looking into getting one... just spent 2/3rds that on mine! :roll:

DaMultaA QX9770 is 1,500USD and I think a video card has a lot more parts on it.

So is it to high to charge a grand?

I think so. That's some serious sandbagging going on by intel to charge so much for a proc. They just have such an incredible advantage over amd right now they can get away w/ it. Nvidia does not really have that luxury, they may be the fastest right now, but ati is not too far behind........

And thats where the exchange rate comes into some good effect for us brits. Its still damn expensive, but will 'only' set us brits back around £450.

Even still, either go for dual 9600GT's or the HD3870 and dont even think about buying that over priced lump of ego. Promise me! :D

DrPepperFor that price does the card make toast, tea, make dinner, clean the house, solve global warming and reduce oil prices.

And give oral.

Pretty sure it will be less then $900, unless of course if it performs better them Michael Jackson.

sorry to be so off topic but Ser-J but ur Location ROCKS!
(and the Napoleon Quote is pretty cool too)

MKmodssorry to be so off topic but Ser-J but ur Location ROCKS!
(and the Napoleon Quote is pretty cool too)

Don't wana be off topic either, but hey thanks!

imperialreignthe other $650 is for "future-de-proofing"

because once you've paid that price, you won't want to upgrade your rig for a long while to come . . .

Quoted! =]