Wednesday, August 27th 2008
Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield
The transition of the K10 architecture by AMD to the 45nm silicon fabrication process is stirring up interesting revelations these days. First, it was about surprisingly low power consumption of the quad-core Phenom parts, and then about the overclocking headroom those 45nm parts provided, at least the engineering samples did so far. And now, news coming in that AMD could be resurrecting the "FX" series of extreme performance products. Over the past three or so years, the performance trail AMD products had over Intel's made it close to impossible for AMD to sell parts that provide performance tuning advantages such as unlocked FSB multiplier settings for a premium, like it did back when K8 reigned the performance segment. "Black Edition" chips made up for that deficit by providing consumers overclocking advantages while not charging a significant premium and at the same time, safeguarding the "FX" title, not letting it dilute.
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.
From Reviewage's findings, there seem to be two Phenom FX processors in the making. The numbering seems to take off where it last left at the Athlon64 FX 74. The two chips, Phenom FX 80 and Phenom FX 82 could be clocked at 4.00 GHz and 4.40 GHz respectively (stock speeds). An interesting statement is that at 4.00 GHz, the Phenom FX 80 should outperform an Intel Kentsfield core clocked at 5.00 GHz, implies it has to be faster than the Kentsfield on a clock-to-clock basis. This opens up an interesting debate on how these parts compare to the succeeding Yorkfield chips. This should also open gates for several models to enter the market at various clock speeds.
Source:
Reviewage
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.
294 Comments on Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield
And also the heat generated must need a good cooler. I REALLY hope this isn't all smoke and mirrors.
and for all you nehalem fanboi's nehalem is really a multithreaded beast i want it, but i am tired of changing intel boards....i only have one/two amd leftover board and that is the k7n2 delta series from msi, and the k8neo plat for 939...with intel however i have 4 socket 775 boards....it just sucks that a same socket board cant support a cpu with the same structure layout.
back to topic, the 4850 especially did a killing and now its just a matter of time before the 4850 x2 does the same, so my question to those who dont think it can be done.....
why cant it? last i check the p4s were high clocked resource hogs(power) with diminishing returns....
I want this chip!
Man i feel so sad.
2000-2000 Socket A 100mhz
2000-2002 Socket A 133mhz
2002-2003 Socket A 166-200mhz
2004-2005 Socket 754
2004-2006 Socket 939
2006-2007 Socket AM
2007-2008 Socket AM2+
2000-2001 Socket 423
2001 Socket 478 100mhz
2001-2002 Socket 478 133mhz
2002-2004 Socket 478 200mhz
2004-2008 Socket 775
2006-2008 Socket 775 Core2 support
AMD and Intel have the same record.
All jokes aside, it looks to be a promising chip for AMD.
I don't see what's so exciting here. Or why people have ever been excited by Phenom. Bring me a $100 45nm Phenom for my low power 780G rig and I'll buy one to replace the $50 A64X2 in it. But I'm not buying one for something I want pure speed from, nor am I paying any significant amount for one.
Phenom scales better as it reaches higher clocks. I'm sure that AMD realized that they just needed to hold on long enough to get 45nm chips taped so that they could unleash the true potential of Phenom.
with that being said, i have both a c2d setup and x2 setup the current phenoms use too much power for this day and age so i am waiting for the denebs
rumors heard:
DDR4 (highly skeptical DDR3 support though)
Larger pin-size (G34 plosible)
Higher clocks (if true confirmed)
New HT since over due (3.1 will do confirmed)
more stuff on the CPU die (hay talk of a PCI-E controller)
skipping NM tech (nothing so far but 32nm used by ATI in next gen cards speculation)
I love my FX too! :respect:
It may not be the fastest out there but it run's all my games so darn well.
I kinda felt like AMD was a lurking beast the shadows waiting for it's chance to take control. Looks like that time is coming.
THOSE PESKY GERMANS!