Tuesday, February 3rd 2009

Cooler Master V10 Hybrid TEC Cooler Tested

Cooler Master has gone full cylinders with innovation for the design of the V10 Hybrid TEC, a variant of the V10 cooler that employs a 70W TEC (Thermo-electric couple) element to indirectly cool the processor. The principle on which it works is fairly simple: A set of heatpipes propagate through the CPU contact block. The same heatpipes make contact with the cold-plate of the TEC. The hot-plate of the TEC is cooled by a dedicated aluminum fin array which is subjected to air flow. The heatpipes that cool the CPU propagate into two additional, independent aluminum fin arrays. All this, neatly packed into the shroud. The TEC part of the cooler has its own Molex power input, and is regulated by a temperature control module. The two fans in place to cool the fins use standard 3~4 pin fan connections. TweakTown put this cooler to test against most common high-end air coolers.

In theory, this is a good concept, though the indirect cooling the TEC element provides, isn't going to send temperatures down to sub-zero levels. Instead, the estimates on its spec. sheet shows it to maintain temperatures between 25 and 70 degrees Celsius. The cooler however, is rated for CPUs with TDPs of up to 200W (a figure achieved during overclocking). The findings of the review, however, show the cooler to be not much of an improvement over most high-end air coolers. The review can be read here.
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60 Comments on Cooler Master V10 Hybrid TEC Cooler Tested

#1
HighEndToys
Cold Storm said:
So, your saying that Tweaktown isn't a "reputable" site? The site as more talent in reviewers then Most places... So, since a Reviewer is going to report the truth, and not worry about the "samples" from stopping, your thinking it's not "reputable"? T.e.c.c. is a proven thing to be used.. Why does sites use their "benches" if they weren't "reputable"?

Want to know something funny? Funny about reviews that come out before the product? Most time's the product is pushed back because the company found the reviewer to find something they didn't... Xigmatek even did this... The 1284 were shipped to Newegg before anyone else, and because of that we got the ones that where "defective"... Who's to say that it's not even like that to them...
Thanks CS, we work very hard at TT to stay above the fray and the TECC allows us to test with science and not our hearts. I can tell you that Asus and Cooler Master test their coolers in "heaters" just like we do. Our TECC was actually modeled after Asus' setup, they use an entire room though and we just use the box. I can also say that we also pick an old cooler once a month and retest it to make sure the system is still calibrated to where it was when we first started. The result of the last test was a .1C difference, the max we have ever been off. The V10 article caused quite a stir at CM and we are retesting it again tonight to verify that the cooler was working correctly. We have also been talking with the V10's product manager all day, like the last 10 hours off and on, mostly on.

Again, thanks for the kind words.
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#4
HighEndToys
Wow, that is a lot of work, throw a TEC under an old copper block, a real block from when they were made 50mm x 50mm and get a big ass pump. All of this has been done before, we use to actually make our own blocks, you couldn't buy them because no one made a prefab kit, it was Autozone and Lowe's for the parts....and it was also a lot cheaper.
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#6
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
HighEndToys said:
Wow, that is a lot of work, throw a TEC under an old copper block, a real block from when they were made 50mm x 50mm and get a big ass pump. All of this has been done before, we use to actually make our own blocks, you couldn't buy them because no one made a prefab kit, it was Autozone and Lowe's for the parts....and it was also a lot cheaper.
yes it is lol i'm perfectly happy with my water cooling

Castiel said:
May I ask what is this? And what are you doing?
its an air cooled tec just like the OP is but this is a homemade one and about 1000x as good
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#7
Cold Storm
Battosai
HighEndToys said:
Thanks CS, we work very hard at TT to stay above the fray and the TECC allows us to test with science and not our hearts. I can tell you that Asus and Cooler Master test their coolers in "heaters" just like we do. Our TECC was actually modeled after Asus' setup, they use an entire room though and we just use the box. I can also say that we also pick an old cooler once a month and retest it to make sure the system is still calibrated to where it was when we first started. The result of the last test was a .1C difference, the max we have ever been off. The V10 article caused quite a stir at CM and we are retesting it again tonight to verify that the cooler was working correctly. We have also been talking with the V10's product manager all day, like the last 10 hours off and on, mostly on.

Again, thanks for the kind words.
T.E.C.C. like you say. It's the Science of cooling. For the cooling to be dead on, we have to have that in our lives. We can't let our heart's and minds fuel what goes on in everday life. Yeah, human's have passion, what creature doesn't? But, to truly understand something, You need to know how it works from the in's and out's... T.E.C.C. does that for coolers..

I'm personally Glad that the V10 article got the stir up at Cooler Master. They need to know what they have given, and what the people is going to see! To Sugarcoat something of that nature, and of that PRICE would be so wrong. A Marketing Gimmic that is so uncalled for it's not even right.. So what if it has TEC... We've done fine without it, so why not develop it to IT'S STANDARDS?


They aren't understanding that there is Forums, where people go to and get help, TPU and others, for asking questions like this... "Is the V10 cooler good?" or " What's the best cooler for a 775 chipset?"... To me, their throwing out the V10 just for the lulz, or the fact to be First with something new.. And to get that "Easy Buck"..


ADD:: I'll be one to stand by that review that was done by Tweaktown. Not because I know the person(s) involved with it. But, for the fact that you haven't let down and allowed Cooler Master to make you their Puppets on a string. Something that reviewers of the Xigs 1284 should of done... The reviewers that got the bad batches...
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#8
HighEndToys
I am not sure if the Chad has said what his TPU name is but I can say that you all know him. He did call out the Xig at another site he use to review for and was trained by me (no that it means anything but it needed something to go after the and).

Cooler Master isn't a company that pressures reviewers for awards and that sort of thing. If there is a problem they want to investigate to be sure it is not on their end. I have worked with CM for many years and can say that they are very honest and try very hard to come up with new products that have a practical purpose. I still hate their mounting hardware for CPU coolers but when that issue comes up we report it (&$*##^ reverse thread screws).

A good example of this is the V10. We performed some additional tests for CM tonight and didn't find an issue with the sample. To be fair to them we will have a new sample on the way and will retest with it to see if we get the same results.
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#9
Cold Storm
Battosai
Oh, I'm not trying to say that CM is bad. I love the two products I have of them. But, for a company, any company, to throw out a $140 dollar cooler, and get hot over what reviewers found to be wrong, before the thing came out, then it needs to be done right. I'm glad that You Guys have been given another cooler. I really hope this time Their stuff works right. I really do. Just from what you've have given us, there isn't a reason (right now) to even grab that cooler..
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#10
tkpenalty
The way that CM designed the cooler is extremely inefficient. If the TEC is above the actual heat source how does the peltier even work properly? The reason why the thermalright array works so well is because its done properly and theres enough heat dissipation.
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#11
HighEndToys
Where to start....lets start with the processor.

200 watt loads with a mild OC, up to 270 when getting a good clock!

So you need at least a 270 watt TEC just to do anything so lets say a 320 watt TEC. 320 watt TECs are 60mm x 60mm and at 12 volts it draws 27 amps. You are not getting that many amps off of your ATX PSU with everything else plugged in. You are also going to melt molex connectors if you use just one.

So let's add this up, 320 watts via TEC and another 200+ for the proc, that is 520 watts you need to get rid of off of a 60mm square package. Good luck with that.

PS, you can do it, I have done it years ago but it is expensive, requires a machine shop that doesn't mind making you just one part and a high level of understanding of what you are doing.
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#12
Wile E
Power User
Binge said:
I bet that tec will get overloaded so easily and burn out then kill the proc.
No, because the TEC doesn't touch the cpu. It attached on top of the heatpipes. If the TEC dies, it becomes a regular cooler.

Having said that, I bet it would perform better with the tec above the cpu.
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#14
BrooksyX
I think ill stick with my Xigmatek heatsink, it seems to do the job just fine.
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#16
HighEndToys
You would be better off with vinyl screws too since your metal ones will transfer heat....maybe I am just being anal.
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#17
thoughtdisorder
Excellent review! Very well thought out and non-biased. I like some of the features, but as stated previously, at that price I just can't see myself going for it. Hopefully Cooler Master will listen and make adjustments accordingly.:cool:
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#19
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
hayder.master said:
the new cooler from cool master is nice , but i am still look on your cooler it is impressive me , very nice work any details for mod this
Bjorn_Of_Iceland said:
So umm.. how do you place it on the cpu?
its not my build read the XS link underneath it
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#20
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
HighEndToys said:
You would be better off with vinyl screws too since your metal ones will transfer heat....maybe I am just being anal.
Wouldn't you want the metal screws taking some heat away :D or better yet make little heatsink screws with mini fans on then :twitch:
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#21
HighEndToys
DrPepper said:
Wouldn't you want the metal screws taking some heat away :D or better yet make little heatsink screws with mini fans on then :twitch:
The metal screws that hold the sandwitch together are poluting the clean pelter cooling power by allowing heat to travel down them. This is going to require a very special screw, something that can't transfer heat!

LOL...
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#22
crtecha
That thing is massive and expensive.
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#23
HaZe303
BrooksyX said:
I think ill stick with my Xigmatek heatsink, it seems to do the job just fine.
Wait until you upgrade to Core i7 (if you will?), then youre xigmatek wont be up for the job?? Even a TRUE (i know equal to the xigmatek) cant handle the core i7 chips, maybe when not OC´d, but as soon as you try to OC even a little the temps get like 3 times higher?? Strange chips IMHO, coz everyone said that NB would get cooler without the memory controller in them, and that the Core i7 would not get much hotter being a 45nm chip? Boy was everyone who said that wrong?!? ;)
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#24
spearman914
This is just crap, get a S1283 for much cheaper, and 3C difference. :wtf::wtf:
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#25
TurdFergasun
wow what stupidity from the majority of posters, this is one of the first mainstream implimentations of peltier technology. so if the majority of your small minds had their run on things, we'd never see SSD tech get to where it is today, because on first mainstream attempt they were much, much slower than 7200rpm drives. or ddr would never have gotten to ddr2 or ddr3, when they were first released the speed improvements were negligible and the prices were far higher than their predecessors. try to see past your own nose once n awhile maybe?
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