Thursday, March 5th 2009

ATI Catalyst 9.4 to Lack Support for Many Older Cards

ATI wants to diminish the list of supported graphics cards in the next release of Catalyst. With the release of ATI Catalyst 9.4, the plan is to exclude support for Radeon 9500, 9600, 9800, X800, X1800, X1900 and other desktop video cards. Catalyst 9.4 will also lack support for the FireGL X1/X2/X3, V3000, V5000, V7000 and FireMV 2200, 2250 professional cards. Of course owners of these models will still be permitted to download older drivers and use them happily. The ATI Catalyst 9.4 is set to be released next month.Source: TechConnect Magazine
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87 Comments on ATI Catalyst 9.4 to Lack Support for Many Older Cards

#1
EastCoasthandle
I'm willing to assume that they may have conducted an internal survey and have an idea of who owns what video card. Furthermore, there are some changes to the Cat driver sometime this year such as profiles, etc. Regardless, there is more then likely a legitimate reason for this move and it's not the end of the world :rolleyes:
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#2
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
EastCoasthandle said:
Regardless, there is more then likely a legitimate reason for this move and it's not the end of the world :rolleyes:
I believe its part of AMD's move to focus more on product innovation. Just like the choice to become fabless.
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#3
EastCoasthandle
DrPepper said:
I believe its part of AMD's move to focus more on product innovation. Just like the choice to become fabless.
I can only assume they have some new stuff coming down the pipe.
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#4
PVTCaboose1337
Graphical Hacker
This is too bad. My 9600 is going to lose support! DARN.
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#5
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
EastCoasthandle said:
I can only assume they have some new stuff coming down the pipe.
Could be that they are focusing all the developers time to getting ATI's stream thingy to work as well as CUDA
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#6
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
wolf said:
ahhh your bringing me back to our days in 177.xx and early physx support, i did a sweet crapload of driver modding with just about every release for 2 months working on getting physx up and running. good times :toast:
Hell, I remember before even that, modding all the new drivers when the G80 cards came out to add support for the 7 series cards because nVidia completely dropped support for them for about 6 months, even though the drivers worked perfectly fine with them, they were just trying to get people to upgrade to the 8800 series.
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#7
Aceman.au
PVTCaboose1337 said:
This is too bad. My 9600 is going to lose support! DARN.
My old ATi 9200 is going to lose support... :(

My old 9200 was a monster played BF2 on low everything without AA
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#8
DarkMatter
EastCoasthandle said:
I'm willing to assume that they may have conducted an internal survey and have an idea of who owns what video card. Furthermore, there are some changes to the Cat driver sometime this year such as profiles, etc. Regardless, there is more then likely a legitimate reason for this move and it's not the end of the world :rolleyes:
That's petty funny and pontless if they concluded that no one has a x19x0 card. I mean it was the high-end card of choice in 2006 and the mainstream card of choice in 2007. Sure no one has a x1000 card...
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#9
EastCoasthandle
DarkMatter said:
That's petty funny and pontless if they concluded that no one has a x19x0 card. I mean it was the high-end card of choice in 2006 and the mainstream card of choice in 2007. Sure no one has a x1000 card...
Your post is pretty funny and pointless because my post never implied nor stated that "no one has a x19x0 card". I understand that English is not your 1st language however, in the future it's better to ask for clarity then make an attempt to criticize someone else knowing you can misunderstand what is being posted.
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#10
DarkMatter
EastCoasthandle said:
Your post is pretty funny and pointless because my post never implied nor stated that "no one has a x19x0 card". I understand that English is not your 1st language however, in the future it's better to ask for clarity then make an attempt to criticize someone else knowing you can misunderstand what is being posted.
Well, "I'm willing to assume that they may have conducted an internal survey and have an idea of who owns what video card." taking it in the context, means they concluded no one has X1900 or they wouldn't have dropped it.

I didn't say anything about what you said and whatnot. The survey would be funny and stupid if they concluded that.

I understand that English IS your 1st language however, in the future it's better to ask for clarity then make an attempt to criticize someone else knowing you can misunderstand what is being posted.

Take that.
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#11
EastCoasthandle
DarkMatter said:
Well, "I'm willing to assume that they may have conducted an internal survey and have an idea of who owns what video card." taking it in the context, means they concluded no one has X1900 or they wouldn't have dropped it.

I didn't say anything about what you said and whatnot. The survey would be funny and stupid if they concluded that.

I understand that English IS your 1st language however, in the future it's better to ask for clarity then make an attempt to criticize someone else knowing you can misunderstand what is being posted.

Take that.
The truth is that you are responding towards what I posted. And truth remains we don't know what caused this decision. I made an assumption (which is were you are having a problem understanding) which you replied to. But with this post you only further prove my point.
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#12
DarkMatter
EastCoasthandle said:
The truth is that you are responding towards what I posted. And truth remains we don't know what caused this decision. I made an assumption (which is were you are having a problem understanding) which you replied to. But with this post you only further prove my point.
You can assume as much as you want. But there's no survey they can make that would have that conclusion, so NO, they did not make any survey. Unless by internal, you mean inside the company, like "ey guys any of you have X1000 cards yet? no? :eek: mmkay".

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
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#13
EastCoasthandle
I found another article that indicates that those video cards effected will be placed on legacy support status. This means that instead of month driver updates they will only get quarterly driver updates. And, they will still receive critical hotfix drivers if high-priority fixes are needed.
Looks like they are focusing their resources on current and future products, OS's, etc
source
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#14
Valdez
DarkMatter said:



LOL whata load of BS. Try saying that to someone that doesn't know how things work and can't be less concerned about marketing stunts. It might work an averything!!! Go go. :)
:confused: Did i lie, or what?
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#15
kylew
DarkMatter said:
In overall performance, yes, there's little to no improvement. But game specific optimizations are key for cards like the X1900 XTX when the optimization is the difference between playable and totally unplayable. There's no single reason for what I could forgive the lack of support for at least the X1900 line. The X1900XTX isn't so much slower than the HD3850 and can play almost everything there, even Crysis on high (1280x no AA), so why would any non-enthusiast with a X1900 have to upgrade, if he still wants to game?? It's absurd...

I have just been talking with one of my X1900 owner friends, and I have mentioned this to him and he is too considering going Nvidia, even though he has always have Ati cards (3 in 10 years but). Not only because of this, but I can tell you it has been the deciding factor. Quoting him, translated of course: "If because of this, they make me upgrade sooner than I had planned, I'll go Nvidia no matter what. I just won't let this happen twice. They won't do me this twice. Not me."

And he really meant it. He is like that.
Sounds like your friend should be wearing a tinfoil hat! :eek: :D
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#16
Baum
arg, my laptops are all on x1000 cards (x1600m and x1900m) and both have mod drivers (mobilitymodder)
does this mean they even drop the "radeon" style support? thus adding device id's doesn't help?
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#17
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
your cards are Radeons, and what they mean i believe is quarterly driver releases.

whats odd is got people here trying to bash AMD for this yet NV killed off the 7 Series and below so quickly its not funny.
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#18
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
eidairaman1 said:
your cards are Radeons, and what they mean i believe is quarterly driver releases.

whats odd is got people here trying to bash AMD for this yet NV killed off the 7 Series and below so quickly its not funny.
7 Series doesn't exist as far as nvidia is concearned :laugh:
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#19
rodneyhchef
I've not used catalyst drivers For anything x1K and older for ages. I've used omega drivers for as long as I can remember. They haven't been updated for a long time, but they really don't need to be. Never had any problems with them. They ran an x1950 GT AGP with new games on my brother's machine no problem until he upgraded during december '08
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#20
DarkMatter
Valdez said:
:confused: Did i lie, or what?
In short, yes.

kylew said:
Sounds like your friend should be wearing a tinfoil hat! :eek: :D
Nah, he doesn't like being ripped off. Who likes? I've calmed him down this morning, telling him that it will have quarterly drivers or hotfixes. With that and the rumors that RV790 might be a completely different chip, he is willing to wait and stay with Ati.
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#21
mdm-adph
newtekie1 said:
I know I know, I'm such a huge nVidia fanboy just because I don't bow down and accept ATi as God's gift to video cards...:laugh:

Yep, I don't praise ATi and bash nVidia at every turn, so that must mean I hate ATi.

Of course your the biggest fanboy on the forums, for thinking the above is true...but hey...
I still think you wouldn't choose a high-range ATI card even if someone held a gun to your head. :laugh:

That being said, I find it despicable that I'm about to plunk down the money for a 9800GT simply because there's quite a few of Berkeley's BOINC programs that are now supporting CUDA and I'm tired of being left behind in my stats.
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#22
Valdez
DarkMatter said:
In short, yes.
Explain please.
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#23
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
eidairaman1 said:
your cards are Radeons, and what they mean i believe is quarterly driver releases.

whats odd is got people here trying to bash AMD for this yet NV killed off the 7 Series and below so quickly its not funny.
DrPepper said:
7 Series doesn't exist as far as nvidia is concearned :laugh:
After about 6 months nVidia picked up support for the older cards again. I believe the current drivers support all the way down to the 6 series.

mdm-adph said:
I still think you wouldn't choose a high-range ATI card even if someone held a gun to your head. :laugh:

That being said, I find it despicable that I'm about to plunk down the money for a 9800GT simply because there's quite a few of Berkeley's BOINC programs that are now supporting CUDA and I'm tired of being left behind in my stats.
When ATi has a high-end card that offers a better price to performance ratio than the comparable nVidia card when I'm looking to buy, I'll buy it.

newtekie1 said:
This is the moment I've been waiting for. Finally something from ATi that can compete with nVidia price/performance. AND it not only competes, it destroys the competition. Looks like it is time to finally ditch my eVGA 780i and 9800GTX.
But, I would never consider buying a high end ATi card...:laugh:
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#24
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
wolf said:
ahhh your bringing me back to our days in 177.xx and early physx support, i did a sweet crapload of driver modding with just about every release for 2 months working on getting physx up and running. good times :toast:

and thats just me, Solaris here was in those drivers before me getting physx up and operational, couldn't have done it without ya man :)

If anyone can add some extra device ID's to these drivers, is my man Solaris17.
thanks man appreciate it :) haha if i have myway...9.4's on Radeon 7500!!
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#25
DarkMatter
Valdez said:
Explain please.
Denying, condemning BS needs no explanation. BS itself needs some.
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