Thursday, March 5th 2009

ATI Catalyst 9.4 to Lack Support for Many Older Cards

ATI wants to diminish the list of supported graphics cards in the next release of Catalyst. With the release of ATI Catalyst 9.4, the plan is to exclude support for Radeon 9500, 9600, 9800, X800, X1800, X1900 and other desktop video cards. Catalyst 9.4 will also lack support for the FireGL X1/X2/X3, V3000, V5000, V7000 and FireMV 2200, 2250 professional cards. Of course owners of these models will still be permitted to download older drivers and use them happily. The ATI Catalyst 9.4 is set to be released next month.Source: TechConnect Magazine
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87 Comments on ATI Catalyst 9.4 to Lack Support for Many Older Cards

#1
Valdez
DarkMatter said:
Denying, condemning BS needs no explanation. BS itself needs some.
:laugh:
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#2
EastCoasthandle
I really don't see the big deal about this. From the other article it appears they are simply reducing driver support from every month to once a quarter. Which doesn't effect any critical updates. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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#3
DarkMatter
Yeah but at first it seemed they would completely drop them and that would have been a disaster for many people.
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#4
DarkMatter
Valdez said:
:laugh:
:slap: Give proofs.
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mdm-adph
newtekie1 said:
But, I would never consider buying a high end ATi card...:laugh:
Never said you wouldn't consider... just that you wouldn't buy. And looking at your profile, you didn't. :laugh:
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#6
Valdez
DarkMatter said:
:slap: Give proofs.
Assassins creed? TWIMTBP games?
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newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
mdm-adph said:
Never said you wouldn't consider... just that you wouldn't buy. And looking at your profile, you didn't. :laugh:
True, I didn't buy, because I ended up finding a great deal on a second 9800GTX, which satisfied my upgrade bug for the time being. Of course, nVidia very quickly lowered prices soon after I made the post, and by the time I was bit by the upgrade bug again, the GTX260 Core 216 offered better performance for the price compared to the HD4870 1GB, plus I knew the 55nm parts were on their way and I could get a free upgrade when they came through eVGA. Considering in the end I paid ~$220 for my GTX285, there wasn't anything on ATi's side that could match the performance I got for the price I paid.

Price to performance was the same reason I got the HD4670, and if I was buying to day there are several high end ATi cards that I would consider.
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#8
DarkMatter
Valdez said:
Assassins creed? TWIMTBP games?
That's not proof of anything and I provided proof of that via PM, because I didn't want to go off-topic. Basically Nvidia didn't make Ubi retire DX10.1 from Assassins Creed, because the ONLY DX10.1 feature that AC uses is the multisample depth buffer readback, something that Nvidia has always supported in their DX10 cards. Plain and simple.

Also there's nothing like bribes under TWIMTBP, nor is anything shaddy there, just as there is not in any of the games under the less known AMD program of the same nature. TWIMTBP games run better in Nvidia's cards because they were optimized better, thanks to in-situ help from Nvidia engineers. Ati does the same, but with less dedication, except on the tittles under their program. The end result is that games that were more supported by each company gets better performance with that company's cards. But NEVER the implication of any of the two companies in the optimization of a game makes that game run worse on the other's cards. It seems to run worse in comparison, because it's running better in the other.

Optimization is very important and can improve performance by as much as 25-50%, otherwise look at newer driver releases with game specific optimizations. What makes you think that game optimization is any less important and easier to perform?? It sometimes takes Ati (or Nvidia) many drivers releases (months) until they manage an improvement in some released games, and THEY KNOW better than any other how their cards work. Game developers do the best they can, but without that deep knowledge of the architecture there's very little they can do to improve that latest ladder. Nvidia through TWIMTBP does something that Ati has never done, and that is to give developers part of that knowledge, a bit of the secrets inside their chips, with all the risk that supposes, because Nvidia offers that info BEFORE the cards have been released. And not only that, Nvidia (Ati never did that neither) also gives the developers access to a 500+ different PC configurations lab they have, with many different GPUs, mobos, CPUs, etc...
Game developers make a different rendering path for each brand because half the key code related to performance on the core of the engine is always written in the language of each GPU architecture. How much each GPU company gets involved in the development of that code, revealing key info, is what marks the future performance of the cards. But the other rendering path is not altered, unless in the process they find something that would help increase the performance in the other path too, which happens a lot, BTW.

I'm TIRED of the FALSE acusations made against the various RESPECTABLE game developers. I could care less if bribing acusations only involved Nvidia, but involves a good 60%++ of game developers and that is something that I will never permit.

Plus is simply stupid to think that a company with $100-300 million profits a year, can bribe a game industry that earns more than 20 billions per year. It's stupid.
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#9
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
newtekie1 said:
After about 6 months nVidia picked up support for the older cards again. I believe the current drivers support all the way down to the 6 series.



When ATi has a high-end card that offers a better price to performance ratio than the comparable nVidia card when I'm looking to buy, I'll buy it.



But, I would never consider buying a high end ATi card...:laugh:
Techie Thx for the headsup, but the question is, How Old? because for one thing the newer control panel for the NV cards (not the classic) is pretty unbearable when compared to CCC, thats using the last known driver for the GF 440MX.
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newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
The latest drivers support the 6 series and newer, the FX series is supported up into the 90 series drivers, and anything before that hasn't had driver support for a long while.
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#11
Hayder_Master
seems there is some improve performance with ATI cards in 9.4 which this improve not compatible with old GPU's
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