Friday, June 12th 2009

AMD Preparing Phenom II TWKR for Enthusiast Market

AMD tasted a bit of success with its Phenom II series of processors, which reflected in recent market share figures, where the company's share grew by around 5 percent, despite a fall in sales throughout the PC processor industry. Leading its pack currently, is the Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition, which holds a full-featured 45 nm Deneb core with unlocked bus multiplier, and AM3 platform support. It seems like AMD isn't stopping at this. The company is preparing a new model targeted at the enthusiast segment, called Phenom II TWKR ("tweaker").

High-end PC manufacturer Maingear PC has reportedly received this chip in a display model form, and looks forward to incorporating it in its lineup of PCs. Very little is known at this point in time, about this chip, beyond the point that it will provide better clock-speeds compared to the Phenom II X4 955. We can tell that it retains the AM3 socket package from the looks of it, and comes in a pretty jewel-case. AMD is yet to announce the chip, or disclose more about how it plans to sell it, and at what price.

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98 Comments on AMD Preparing Phenom II TWKR for Enthusiast Market

#1
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Kvens said:
Look here guys. This might be fake news.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24
Not fake. Charlie needs something to post.

devguy said:
Meh, I hated that. I preferred the days of the Athlon FX DDR1 where it plugged right into the common S939 motherboard.

Aside from that, most motherboards (especially gigabyte) list support for the Phenom FX processors. Granted they never materialized and they don't list Phenom II FX support, but I don't want to see a Phenom II FX exclusively on socket other than AM3.

Perhaps they could release an Istanbul FX for AM3, as well as a multisocket compatible version along side it with the release of the RD890/SB850 chipset. That would be :D.
The reason bus multiplier unlocked some later Athlon64 X2 and Phenom series chips were given the "Black Edition" branding, was because they didn't want to dilute "FX". When Phenom/Opteron Barcelona was being made, everyone had high expectations. They thought it would cream everything Intel had. Back then it was believed that unlocked Phenoms would carry the "FX" branding. The architecture fell flat on its face...back to using "Black Edition", enter Phenom 9600 BE. Plans to develop an FX model for socket-1207 (DSDC) were called off. TWKR is "limited edition", as its batch would have emerged from manual binning of the chip. It could be hard to find a chip that does 4+ GHz stable on water.

"FX" was always meant to be exclusive. AMD tried to first make it exclusive for socket-939, then fooled around with the lineup a bit (making the socket mainstream), and then pushed FX to Socket 1207, with only one AM2 model (FX-62) along the way. There are more socket-1207 FX models (FX 70, 72, 74) than there are AM2 (FX 62). The new FX will take over, though I doubt the upgrade path for NVIDIA nForce 680a SLI (that which drove FX-7x) will resume.

Yes, if Istanbul can run on s-1207, an AM3/AM2+ variant is possible. Don't expect future 6/8/12 core AMD chips to continue on the AM3 path though. The socket doesn't provide wiring for more than two memory channels.
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#2
Flyordie
btarunr said:
Not fake. Charlie needs something to post.



The reason bus multiplier unlocked some later Athlon64 X2 and Phenom series chips were given the "Black Edition" branding, was because they didn't want to dilute "FX". When Phenom/Opteron Barcelona was being made, everyone had high expectations. They thought it would cream everything Intel had. Back then it was believed that unlocked Phenoms would carry the "FX" branding. The architecture fell flat on its face...back to using "Black Edition", enter Phenom 9600 BE. Plans to develop an FX model for socket-1207 (DSDC) were called off. TWKR is "limited edition", as its batch would have emerged from manual binning of the chip. It could be hard to find a chip that does 4+ GHz stable on water.

"FX" was always meant to be exclusive. AMD tried to first make it exclusive for socket-939, then fooled around with the lineup a bit (making the socket mainstream), and then pushed FX to Socket 1207, with only one AM2 model (FX-62) along the way. There are more socket-1207 FX models (FX 70, 72, 74) than there are AM2 (FX 62). The new FX will take over, though I doubt the upgrade path for NVIDIA nForce 680a SLI (that which drove FX-7x) will resume.

Yes, if Istanbul can run on s-1207, an AM3/AM2+ variant is possible. Don't expect future 6/8/12 core AMD chips to continue on the AM3 path though. The socket doesn't provide wiring for more than two memory channels.
Very well spoken bta.
There will be an FX line for socket AM3. AMD will give you some more info on it in the Sept-Oct timeframe. I do not know the details, so please don't ask me for more. If I have updates I will post them in the appropriate thread.
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#3
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
its an interesting market addition, but most core i7 920's will do 4+ ghz on reasonable volts, especially D0's, and i bet they'll be cheaper.

just get one before theyre aXXed!
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#5
subhendu
42 means 4.2ghz stock clock speed...hehee
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#6
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
hayder.master said:
this is phenom 2 extreme
More like Phenom II "The best we could manage" Edition, to be honest.
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#7
Unregistered
btarunr said:
More like Phenom II "The best we could manage" Edition, to be honest.
i hope thats not true :o
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#8
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
DreamSeller said:
i hope thats not true :o
Sadly it is. They have nothing better than K10 at the moment, and are making no concrete steps towards a future architecture, other than announcing tentative dates and feeling good about it.
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#9
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
DreamSeller said:
i hope thats not true :o
more like stop gap
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#10
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
cdawall said:
more like stop gap
To what?
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#11
TheGuruStud
btarunr said:
To what?
better process and higher clocks, which is a stop gap until bulldozer

but they're not for sale, so it doesn't matter
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#12
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
TheGuruStud said:
better process and higher clocks, which is a stop gap until
So I stand with "Best we can manage" Edition. Normally when you call something a "stop gap", you are placing it in a time-frame close to something else. There is no "something else" in sights.

An example for a "stop-gap" that makes sense is GeForce 9800 GX2. It did its job till GTX 280 came about.
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#13
Kitkat
btarunr said:
So I stand with "Best we can manage" Edition. Normally when you call something a "stop gap", you are placing it in a time-frame close to something else. There is no "something else" in sights.

An example for a "stop-gap" that makes sense is GeForce 9800 GX2. It did its job till GTX 280 came about.
companies tend to tell you something when they want you to know archetectures arent made created and fabricated THE WEEK they are anounced. They take years to make. There is no nothing else in OUR sights cause they havent TOLD us, just as you didnt know this existed before it was anounced to u lol. At the same time i kinda want it to be a endchip why not ... i dont wanna see a 995 id rather u just give the end so we can stop playin around lol.

cdawall said:
maybe i already have one :wtf:
ahahaha
I hope its the 95w one.

Easo said:
Since i have youngest brother of 9xx line, the 920 AM2+ socket, i am starting to feel envy...
Anyway, looks like THE beast, i am more than sure it will cost less than i7 975...
yeah im sure it will i want to know more!!!! Right now its just a publicity pawn for Maingear blog hits, which i care ABSOF*K!NGLUTELY nothing about lol. I just want to know when we can get it!! lol

cdawall said:
i bet 42 means chip 42 or maybe 42 loads of BS :laugh:
awwwww i hope not rofl
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#14
eidairaman1
this maybe the last of the Phenom IIs, making way for the 6 core parts, probably on a 32nm node, who knows
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#15
Wile E
Power User
btarunr said:
Not fake. Charlie needs something to post.



The reason bus multiplier unlocked some later Athlon64 X2 and Phenom series chips were given the "Black Edition" branding, was because they didn't want to dilute "FX". When Phenom/Opteron Barcelona was being made, everyone had high expectations. They thought it would cream everything Intel had. Back then it was believed that unlocked Phenoms would carry the "FX" branding. The architecture fell flat on its face...back to using "Black Edition", enter Phenom 9600 BE. Plans to develop an FX model for socket-1207 (DSDC) were called off. TWKR is "limited edition", as its batch would have emerged from manual binning of the chip. It could be hard to find a chip that does 4+ GHz stable on water.

"FX" was always meant to be exclusive. AMD tried to first make it exclusive for socket-939, then fooled around with the lineup a bit (making the socket mainstream), and then pushed FX to Socket 1207, with only one AM2 model (FX-62) along the way. There are more socket-1207 FX models (FX 70, 72, 74) than there are AM2 (FX 62). The new FX will take over, though I doubt the upgrade path for NVIDIA nForce 680a SLI (that which drove FX-7x) will resume.

Yes, if Istanbul can run on s-1207, an AM3/AM2+ variant is possible. Don't expect future 6/8/12 core AMD chips to continue on the AM3 path though. The socket doesn't provide wiring for more than two memory channels.
If that's the case, both AMD and Intel are going to go with the multiple socket arrangement, and there will be a lot of pissed off AMD fans, and a lot of Intel fans screaming "I told you so" about AMD screwing customers with socket changes just like Intel does at times.

I was hoping that AMD was going to release a 6 core AM3 chip. I hope there is a way around the limitation you mentioned.
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#16
Hayder_Master
btarunr said:
More like Phenom II "The best we could manage" Edition, to be honest.
cool we wait and see tests , seems this is my next move
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#17
eidairaman1
AMD is claiming the Server Market will run off Quad Channel Ram, so im not sure where that puts the Desktop Lineup at unless if AMD decides to release the CPUs on the 1207 (Desktop and then have the Dual/Quad 1207 (Server/Workstation) That would technically cut overall costs by having everything on the same socket, but i guess in turn would slow down upgrade ability of the platform.
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#18
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Wile E said:
If that's the case, both AMD and Intel are going to go with the multiple socket arrangement, and there will be a lot of pissed off AMD fans, and a lot of Intel fans screaming "I told you so" about AMD screwing customers with socket changes just like Intel does at times.

I was hoping that AMD was going to release a 6 core AM3 chip. I hope there is a way around the limitation you mentioned.
If the 6-core chip is based on the same die Istanbul has, then yes, a 6-core AM3 chip is possible. I'm talking about the 6/8/12 core AMD chips that are made for AMD G34 socket, that support quad-channel memory.
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#19
mrw1986
Ugh I just hope AMD has a breakthrough...their stock is slumping and I'm pretty invested in it, haha.
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#20
Kitkat
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14205/1/

:'(

"Tweaker is an overclocker part that can stand much more voltage and it gets cherry picked. This is supposed to be the best chip in the wafer, so if there are 200 K10.5 on a single wafer, this one is the best one out of the 200."
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#21
TheGuruStud
mrw1986 said:
Ugh I just hope AMD has a breakthrough...their stock is slumping and I'm pretty invested in it, haha.
It already slumped to nothing below 2 dollars a while back. If you haven't checked, it's now at 4.26. I didn't have the cash back then, otherwise, I would've used every cent to buy it at or below 2 bucks :cry:

There was a few stocks I wanted (GE and stuff). I'd be a rich man if I had the initial investment cash (considering all the ups and downs). :mad:
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#23
Unregistered
anyone has seen these :
Phenom II 42 TWKR Black Edition Screens... :


the author says that the product will be announced after the date of 30 June!
#24
ShadowFold
Wow! ̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̕̚̕̚ ̡̢̛̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠̊̋̌̍̎̏̚MHZ!!!
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#25
fps_dean
mrw1986 said:
Ugh I just hope AMD has a breakthrough...their stock is slumping and I'm pretty invested in it, haha.
I do too, paying $1000 for good CPUs is ridiculous where AMD would charge $250-300 for the same thing if they had it.
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