Who'll be the better president?

[trt740]

ya read the huffington post it will sure help, being a republican blog (not) and all a great un bias news source. Also the Army's plan is to not leave either country until they are stable, unlike Obamas plan of retreat and defeat.

 

[Bigjohn]

ya read the huffington post it will sure help, being a republican blog and all a great un bias news source.

Dude...
I don't think these guys are getting your Sarcasm.

Move-On.ORG + Huffington Post = Democratic "take from the rich so the poor will vote for us" sleeze.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

ya read the huffington post it will sure help, being a republican blog (not) and all a great un bias news source. Also the Army's plan is to not leave either country until they are stable, unlike Obamas plan of retreat and defeat.

I gave you huffington post so you would read it. I wanted to show you even republican news sources had to report on such a hypocrisy by Fox News.

Its the Middle East. It has never been stable for the most part. Its not like America or Europe.

 

[trt740]

Dude...
I don't think these guys are getting your Sarcasm.

Move-On.ORG + Huffington Post = Democratic "take from the rich so the poor will vote for us" sleeze.

Well then they don't read and are uninformed and if you don't realize how left wing and bias some folks are here claming the huffington post is a Republican publication is like saying Barney Frank is a right wing,christian family man.

 

[Bigjohn]

Well then they don't read and are uninformed and if you don't realize how left wing and bias some folks are here claming the huffington post is a Republican publication is like saying Barney Frank is a right wing,christian family man.

You forgot HETEROSEXUAL...

Huffington post is one of the most PRO OBAMA rags ever. Feelings feelings feelings lies, but never any fact.

There have been more FACTS posted here by "conservatives" than by socialists... Socialists/democrat party members typically spout Feelings and more Feelings "It's not fair", "Thats not true", "thats Propaganda"... but no facts...

 

[CStylen]

And to add to this:

Raising the taxes on the rich is a terrible idea. The rich own all of the businesses that drive our economy. If Obama raises taxes for them, do you think they are going to keep their business here? No, they aren't. They are going to outsource, cut jobs, cut wages/benefits, etc to make up the losses. Them doing that equals less jobs for us Americans, pay cuts, etc., and will do nothing but lead to the further collapse of our economy.

For those that actually paid attention, Reagan's trickle down policies actually worked. Fatten the pockets of the people that own the business that run this country's economy, and those people dump more money into their business, which in turn leads to more jobs, better paying jobs, better equipment, better working conditions, etc. It worked, and it worked well. It was Clinton's administration that nullified them, and put our country where it is today.

I already have on page 1

Honestly, I can't see why anyone would vote for Comrade Obama. Tax cuts for people that make under $250k/year is nice, however higher teaxes for the rest is bad. Does anyone realize that it's the ones who make over $250k/year that are paying the ones who make under $250k/year? When they are taxed more they: A) stop hiring B) fire current employess (you) and C) pass on added expenses to the consumer....

This is so important, I'll quote my self again:

Obama said he would pay for his proposed new programs, including mandatory health insurance, by imposing higher taxes on "the wealthy" and raising the tax on Social Security wages. He added, "What we have had right now is a situation where we've cut taxes for people who don't need them."

The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Mr. Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6% personal income tax, a 52.2% combined income and payroll tax, a 28% capital-gains tax, a 39.6% dividends tax, and a 55% estate tax. (must be time to be patriotic huh Biden?)

According to recent Gallup data, "The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 percent of the income, but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab.

Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent -- those below the median income level -- now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.

The Urban Institute Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center has just published a detailed analysis and comparison of the tax policies of Senators McCain and Obama.

It concludes that compared to current policy, McCain would cut taxes by $628 billion over the next 10 years and that Obama would raise them by $734 billion over the same period.

Indeed.

From http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaPolitics.htm

 

[KBD]

i dont even know whats the point of this thread. i learned a long time ago that discusssing politics leads to nothing but people getting upset, one side will never accept the others point of view and vice versa. Most of these threads just wind up being locked because folks cant keep it civil.

 

[trt740]

i dont even know whats the point of this thread. i learned a long time ago that discusssing politics leads to nothing but people getting upset, one side will never accept the others point of view and vice versa. Most of these threads just wind up being locked because folks cant keep it civil.

we haven't heard this before thanks for the new idea

 

[newconroer]

"The only experience Obama has is that he's the first candidate in history to have so many death threats against him that for the first time in its history, the Secret Service has asked the FBI for assistance because they can't track them all. So maybe he'll get "combat experience" after all."

LOL, awesome.

 

[trt740]

I gave you huffington post so you would read it. I wanted to show you even republican news sources had to report on such a hypocrisy by Fox News.

Its the Middle East. It has never been stable for the most part. Its not like America or Europe.

the huffington post is NOT!!!!!! a republican news source Even democrats think Ariana Huffington is a crack pot.

 

[KBD]

we haven't heard this before thanks for the new idea

than why are u in the middle of this then?

 

[trt740]

than why are u in the middle of this then?

Because I don't agree with you.

 

[KBD]

Because I don't agree with you.

i'm not taking sides in the debate, what dont agree with?

 

[trt740]

i'm not taking sides in the debate, what dont agree with?

I think these threads are useful and makes for great debates and can be very educational and people need to learn to disagree but not be disagreeable.

 

[KBD]

i dont know, i suppose it has the potential to be educational but from what ive seen it usually boils down to name calling, lost tempers, etc. I dont see many people changing their minds as a result.
We shall see how this one turns out.

 

[Tatty_Two]

No one in Europe complains about taxes because you folk don't really have a way to fix the problem. Our constitution allows us to. And, you've been indoctrinated for 50 years of socialism.... the definition of "fair" has been redefined for you; rather than "equal", it means "take from the successfully to pay for stuff others who are less successful want or need, as defined by some wise government committee".

Lol, 50 years of socialism? I think you will probably find that in the last 50 years, in the leading EU member states that predominantly governments have been centre to the right, not to the left.

 

[trt740]

i dont know, i suppose it has the potential to be educational but from what ive seen it usually boils down to name calling, lost tempers, etc. I dont see many people changing their minds as a result.
We shall see how this one turns out.

almost 600 post

 

[KBD]

almost 600 post

it's not over until its over, lol

though i admit, i expected this to be locked already.

 

[Rammsteiner]

No one in Europe complains about taxes because you folk don't really have a way to fix the problem. Our constitution allows us to. And, you've been indoctrinated for 50 years of socialism.... the definition of "fair" has been redefined for you; rather than "equal", it means "take from the successfully to pay for stuff others who are less successful want or need, as defined by some wise government committee".

Let me put this straight since this is really containing too much rubbish.

No one likes taxes, not in USA, not in Europe, not in Asia. But it's needed, and of course the government could do a lot about re-arranging their money transfers to actually reduce taxes. But if a government is not allowed to interfere with the free market etc, how would a government get its money the most logical way. Also we've not been indoctrinated with socialism, we've the choice to either vote socialism or liberalism, then we've the nationalist wings which actually add only, well, kick'n around against everything with no solid feedback. Then we've a mix of socialism and liberalism with a christian touch talking left and right with what ever (socialist or liberal) side got the most votes, then we've shattered parties about animals only, about christianity only etc, which add nothing.

The defination of fair is a bit two sided in your story. So can I say that taking the land from the Indians was anything but fair (ironically they call it the land of the free). Nor was it to interfere in Kosovo, followed by a hypocrit anti-Russian move in Georgie. Also it's not fair to drive back Inuits for your special wanks up north. I can make a very long list, but I hope this makes the point where Im going to, 'fair' is an abstract definition and depends completely on the point of view since you for example dont see anything unfair in the above mentioned things.

Also less succesfull? Again, this depends on the point of view. And indeed, as said earlier, I do not agree with taking from the rich for the poor. But this has nothing to do with being succesfull. Bush and McCain are rich, Ive yet to see anything succesfully in them. Russia wasnt rich, they were anyhow quite succesfull in quite a few things. Or replace Russia with China for that matter for a better comparison if you want. Money has nothing to do with being succesfull. You can be a succesfull worker or a succesfull thief and in both ways get rich, yet the thief isnt very liked because he didnt get it 'fair' although he just did his job? I dont agree with thieves (only when they were mysteriouly smart, I can only laugh then), but it's just how succesfull can be read. Or a thieve getting damn rich but getting caught after a few years was in your eyes more succesfull than a thieve just stealing enough to live as a normal person by stealing little things which never got caught?

 

[proletariandan]

Lol, 50 years of socialism? I think you will probably find that in the last 50 years, in the leading EU member states that predominantly governments have been centre to the right, not to the left.

For market fundamentalist Reagan/Thatcherites, centrist Keynesians (like Obama) are one step to the right of Lenin.

 

[Tatty_Two]

For market fundamentalist Reagan/Thatcherites, centrist Keynesians (like Obama) are one step to the right of Lenin.

Well at least thats a step in the right direction , and lets not forget, Thatcher has also been in power in the last 50 years which was the comment I responded too, damn, even the labour government of today is a million miles away from the old socialist labour of the 60's and 70's.

As for taxes, yes, the UK is one of the highest taxation countries there is (although I can think of one or two that are taxed heavier), it has, up until this year had some of the strongest economical growth on the planet over the last 10 years, second only perhaps to China and maybe one or two others.......although I am not saying we have not suffered in other area's because of it!

 

[trt740]

For market fundamentalist Reagan/Thatcherites, centrist Keynesians (like Obama) are one step to the right of Lenin.

maybe in Kenya but Obamas so far left he doesn't have a right arm.

 

[proletariandan]

maybe in Kenya but Obamas so far left he doesn't have a right arm.

Huh? Obama is a centrist. He isn't left by any meaning of the word. Get a ****ing clue.

 

[Wile E]

So you all americans think only of economy? Can be the most important factor, but it isnt the only one. Political views about education, environment, healthcare are almost as important as economy. A rich country doesnt always mean a happy country. Look at the 1930-1940 germany. Or at the 1920-1989 URSS

I'm not saying they aren't important, but without a strong economy, you cannot have good education, environmental programs, healthcare programs. They all revolve around the state of the economy. Why do you think third world countries have such terrible healthcare, education, and environmental programs?

 

[Rammsteiner]

As for taxes, yes, the UK is one of the highest taxation countries there is (although I can think of one or two that are taxed heavier), it has, up until this year had some of the strongest economical growth on the planet over the last 10 years, second only perhaps to China and maybe one or two others.......although I am not saying we have not suffered in other area's because of it!

Our country (Netherlands) is sick with taxes too. But we've right now a labor party in the government and as well the economic minister is from that party, go figure But Norwegian etc seem to have massive taxes on booze and tobacco's. I thought it was bad here already

maybe in Kenya but Obamas so far left he doesn't have a right arm.

You dont know what you dont know, if you're far to the left you've not even the possibility to be anywhere near potential presidency in USA He's more social, that's different than socialism, and a complete other thing than being (extremist) left.