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Who'll be the better president?

Who'll be the better president?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 1,290 57.9%
  • John McCain

    Votes: 333 14.9%
  • But I want George W. Bush

    Votes: 177 7.9%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 429 19.2%

  • Total voters
    2,229
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pure nonsence. that is what society WANTS to believe because it gives them an excuse for not being as succesful.

:rolleyes: Ok perhaps that's what the elite WANT to believe to keep control over the masses. It's nonsense.


remember the masses put BUSH in office for 8+ years.

That is debatable.
 
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True -- the "masses" actually voted for Al Gore in 2000, if you want to look at it that way.
 
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True -- the "masses" actually voted for Al Gore in 2000, if you want to look at it that way.

And to further that line of thought, the "masses" are really subject to the "elite" (or the electoral college in this case), so it was in fact the elite that voted him in, or in truth, every president (that is if in fact the system is not as corrupt as most of politics and not subject to tampering, a rather long shot imo).
 
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Ive decided to share something with all of you that my father sent me, A 48 year old accomplished pilot (with over 5000 Hours) and an accomplished avionic tech who has owned several successful business's. He is successful and one of the most intelligent people i have ever know my entire life. This is what he sent me, And he let me know to really read it. I will now share it with you.



A pilots perspective on Obama


DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?
HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA. WE HAVE SEEN
PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.

HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS. WHERE ARE THE
PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND
WENT BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WAS HIS FATHER
WEALTHY?

HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA
WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .

WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE
WITH HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL.
HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A
WEALTHY FUNDRAISER. HOW?

HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . HE HAS NEVER
HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED
AND/OR TAXPAYER SUPPORTED.

THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES; ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON'T CUT IT.

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL
WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.

HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE' (A FATHER WHO GOT A WHITE GIRL
PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).

WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS 'WHITE HERITAGE'? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED
CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).

SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY.

HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN
'AFRO-CENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES
AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE
AIDs VIRUS IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).

HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS WHO
CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA .

HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE HE CAN
CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?
YEAH RIGHT!!

DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, HE HAS
MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD OUT OF THE ONE
HUNDRED MEMBERS.

HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES. HE
HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL
AMERICA'S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR
NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.

BUT, HE IS A GOOD ORATOR. ISN'T THAT A COMFORT?

YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.

I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES
TOGETHER.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW CHIEF PILOT,
HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE, IN FACT HE HAS NEVER EVEN SAT IN THE
COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE HE
WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS
FLIGHT.

PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT
THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN? THE
HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT?

THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY! CONSIDER YOUR KIDS
& GRANDKIDS THEIR FUTURE IS IN OUR VOTING HANDS.
 
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Ive decided to share something with all of you that my father sent me, A 48 year old accomplished pilot (with over 5000 Hours) and an accomplished avionic tech who has owned several successful business's. He is successful and one of the most intelligent people i have ever know my entire life. This is what he sent me, And he let me know to really read it. I will now share it with you.

[...]

Your father may be a cool guy, but all I could think of when I was reading that was this (that I've posted before):



It's the same old fear-mongering, by the sounds of it.

Also, emails with all caps are not cool.

EDIT: And being a pilot doesn't make you an expert on geo-political theory, last time I checked. :shadedshu
 
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do you think the majority of our society could choose the best computer in the world given two to choose from?probably not. they would most likely choose the one that looks and or sounds the best regardless of what's inside. why? because the majority of people don't have the intelligence on the subject needed to make an educated choice.just like choosing a politician.most of us don't know enough to make an educated choice but the "majority rules" is the best we have so we must deal with it but it doesn't change the fact that the majority of us are not experts on politics.
 
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I still don't get it. So what if Obama has Muslim roots? America is not a Christian nation. It's a secular state. Why are some people so intolerant to Islam, while expecting Muslims to be tolerant to them (and forcing them to be, by waging wars in that part of the world)?
 
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gotta go. this is all getting to heavy and it's all opinions anyway.
have a great day guys.
 

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America was founded on Christian Values and religious freedom, so yeah, that is true. I couldnt tell you if we were ever tolerant of Muslims, that religion has been around for a very long time. I could only tell you what I know from history and stuff and that is probably biased.

Ill tell yall what, Im so tired of hearing about troll this, troll that, facts this, facts that, sources, sources, sources. It seems to me that when someone bashes Obama, a few tend to get defensive, mad and resort to name calling.

McCain isnt the best the republicans have to offer, but republican voters chose him (Thanks God they didnt choose the Liar, Romney). Obama is in no way a great candidate. He charms me with his :silver: tongue, but his policies and two facedness isnt reassuring to me.

Also, dont knock a man for just putting an email his father sent him out for us to read. That is distasteful.

If Obama wins (and polls are pretty much wrong, and most media is democratic bias) then we will see how good or how bad he screws it up. Perhaps a rookie is something we need in the white house. Personally Im still voting for Palin :roll:
 
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I still don't get it. So what if Obama has Muslim roots? America is not a Christian nation. It's a secular state. Why are some people so intolerant to Islam, while expecting Muslims to be tolerant to them (and forcing them to be, by waging wars in that part of the world)?
because we're a nation of intolerant/ignorant people with a superiority complex

i honestly don't know why people care so damn much that obama has Muslim roots, really WHO GIVES A SHIT, big deal if he has a Muslim background, he's a christian now so why should it matter
it's not like any one religion is superior to any other...
 

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Thanks God they didnt choose the Liar, Romney
Amen to that. I used the word "shrewed" to describe him in the primaries. He's a businessman always looking for the best deal. Knowing the economy tanked and Obama got the nomination, Romney would have been in a very good position to win this thing. The political landscape went half under water so quickly this year. :(
 

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Ive decided to share something with all of you that my father sent me, A 48 year old accomplished pilot (with over 5000 Hours) and an accomplished avionic tech who has owned several successful business's. He is successful and one of the most intelligent people i have ever know my entire life. This is what he sent me, And he let me know to really read it. I will now share it with you.



A pilots perspective on Obama


DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?
HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA. WE HAVE SEEN
PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.

HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS. WHERE ARE THE
PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND
WENT BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WAS HIS FATHER
WEALTHY?

HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA
WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .

WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE
WITH HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL.
HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A
WEALTHY FUNDRAISER. HOW?

HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . HE HAS NEVER
HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED
AND/OR TAXPAYER SUPPORTED.

THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES; ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON'T CUT IT.

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL
WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.

HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE' (A FATHER WHO GOT A WHITE GIRL
PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).

WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS 'WHITE HERITAGE'? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED
CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).

SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY.

HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN
'AFRO-CENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES
AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE
AIDs VIRUS IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).

HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS WHO
CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA .

HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE HE CAN
CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?
YEAH RIGHT!!

DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, HE HAS
MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD OUT OF THE ONE
HUNDRED MEMBERS.

HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES. HE
HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL
AMERICA'S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR
NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.

BUT, HE IS A GOOD ORATOR. ISN'T THAT A COMFORT?

YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.

I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES
TOGETHER.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW CHIEF PILOT,
HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE, IN FACT HE HAS NEVER EVEN SAT IN THE
COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE HE
WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS
FLIGHT.

PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT
THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN? THE
HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT?

THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY! CONSIDER YOUR KIDS
& GRANDKIDS THEIR FUTURE IS IN OUR VOTING HANDS.


Lol, I am pretty sure, 10,000,000 people out there could write something fairly similar and equally damming about McCain and many other politicians, I like this logic many of you use, the way I read it (non American and un-biased) if let's say for this example, a Republican supporter wrote it.......

"Let's ignore the fact our candidate is a total buffoon who appears to have no idea's, certainly no carisma, who's policies appear to give more of what you have had for the last 8 years (and thats not a lot from where I am watching), so lets not even mention politics because our guy quite frankly is totally hopeless, hopefully noone will notice if we dont talk politics that we dont know politics, then we can concentrate on the oppositions family, religion, empoyment and whatever else is irrelivent to the sound running of a GREAT country such as yours, lets employ some no hope "has been" instead, hey because he also goes to church.....ohhhh the right Church, with the right family members and yes, once upon a time he even had a job!"

Those comments were not aimed at you specifically, it just seems that many Americans generally dont care about who is the best person to lead their great country, they are more concerned about who someone had a beer with last year and whether his Grandmother went to Church on Wednesdays......thats clearly evident from the guy you voted in the last two times!.............................Please forgive the rant, as I said in a previous post, by nature I have always tended to lean toward the Republic camps.....but people, please, if you cant do any better than GWB and this guy....stay at home!

Ohhhhh and by the way, I too am 48, not sure if I am as intelligent as your Dad as I dont know him, I certainly am not as skilled as he! I always wanted to be a PIlot, became a soldier/officer instead......I liked to see "the white's of their eyes"!
 

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who's policies appear to give more of what you have had for the last 8 years (and thats not a lot from where I am watching)
Bush is not running.
 

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Bush is not running.

Thats just the point......he might as well be! (and that really is why he will lose)Again thats not a personal opinion, thats a perception that I have got from what to be fair, might be innacurate coverage by the British Media, non of my comments come from my heart, just what I see with my eyes from 5000 miles away.
 

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Exactly and honestly, Obama probably isnt the best person to lead this country. We are kind of screwed with the two candidates running. Lets face, Nader is a hater :haha: sorry he isnt worth the election and Ron Paul wont win it.....
 

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There's a few reasons for that...
-Bush's poor approval rating.
-Media bias leaning liberal.
-Obama campaign and Democrats in general have an obsession with saying the words eight, four, and Bush--Obama himself included.
-Congress's poor approval ratings weigh into it to.
-Bush is getting blamed for the sub-prime mortgage collapse (right or wrong is a different issue).

It all ads up to it being a very Democratic climate this year--perhaps the most in history. I mean, if Clinton got the nomination, I am confident it would not matter who was running on the Republican side because she would be running in the 60% range the entire time. Most Republicans are happy Obama got the nomination because he is someone they can beat. ;)
 

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There's a few reasons for that...
-Bush's poor approval rating.
-Media bias leaning liberal.
-Obama campaign and Democrats in general have an obsession with saying the words eight, four, and Bush--Obama himself included.
-Congress's poor approval ratings weigh into it to.
-Bush is getting blamed for the sub-prime mortgage collapse (right or wrong is a different issue).

It all ads up to it being a very Democratic climate this year--perhaps the most in history. I mean, if Clinton got the nomination, I am confident it would not matter who was running on the Republican side because she would be running in the 60% range the entire time. Most Republicans are happy Obama got the nomination because he is someone they can beat. ;)

So you think McCain is a strong and solid candidate with all the skills necessary to lead your country? because at the end of the day, when he loses, you can blame as many factors as you like....HE has still lost, and despite what you say, probably because the majority think he is incapable of running your great country effectively.
 
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let's face it the majority are sheep and easily led. doesn't make them bad people just doesn't make them the smartest of our society
 
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let's face it the majority are sheep and easily led. doesn't make them bad people just doesn't make them the smartest of our society

That reminds me, what was your point w/ that? What way were you relating that to what's happening in this election?
 
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I know I can't vote yet here in US, wtf I can't even vote on the poll:mad:
 

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So you think McCain is a strong and solid candidate with all the skills necessary to lead your country? because at the end of the day, when he loses, you can blame as many factors as you like....HE has still lost, and despite what you say, probably because the majority think he is incapable of running your great country effectively.
I know of no better candidate to lead right now. It has already been demonstrated in polling that few poeple even care what McCain says. It is not clear why they don't listen to him.
 
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Look at the numbers in all the reputable polls. Obama will win unless Diebold and its subsidiaries decide to alter election results. We have states that haven't voted democrat since the 70's slightly in Obamas favor. Times are changing.

Diebold makes the majority of the voting machines and also maintains them. They donate large amounts to the GOP every year. Thats conflict of interest in favor of the republicans in almost every state.

With the media playing only GOOD stuff about OBAMA, and only BAD (and FALSE) stuff about McCain / Palin, well, I'm surprised it's so close as it is.

Obama gave himself away the other day..."When you spread the wealth around it's a good thing..." Marxist!
 
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There's a few reasons for that...
-Bush's poor approval rating.
-Media bias leaning liberal.
-Obama campaign and Democrats in general have an obsession with saying the words eight, four, and Bush--Obama himself included.
-Congress's poor approval ratings weigh into it to.
-Bush is getting blamed for the sub-prime mortgage collapse (right or wrong is a different issue).

It all ads up to it being a very Democratic climate this year--perhaps the most in history. I mean, if Clinton got the nomination, I am confident it would not matter who was running on the Republican side because she would be running in the 60% range the entire time. Most Republicans are happy Obama got the nomination because he is someone they can beat. ;)

Actually, if the people were paying attention, the Congress's approval ratings would sway the people to the republican side.

But the media have swept that under the rug too. Then they blame the economy on BUSH, when it's the seeds sown by Clinton finally coming to root...
In 2003 and 2004, hearings were held before the U.S. House Financial Services Committee on the practices of Fannie Mae. There were concerns that Fannie Mae, in keeping with its mission of expanding home ownership, was encouraging too many banks to loan too much money to too many unqualified borrowers. Some legislators feared the huge assets and profits Fannie Mae was showing on paper were suspect, given the uncertain ability of the borrowers to repay.

It shaped up along party lines, with Republicans urging more restraint and a greater degree of oversight and Democrats defending Fannie Mae’s practices, saying they helped low-income people and minorities own homes.

Some quotes from those hearings:

U.S. Rep. Richard Baker, R-La., reacting to a report from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEA), that was investigating practices at Fannie Mae. “It is indeed a very troubling report. But it is a report of extraordinary importance not only to those who wish to own a home but to the taxpayers of the country who would pay the cost of cleaning up an enterprise failure.”

U.S. Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif., asking for more oversight of Fannie Mae. “I hope that we will move swiftly to create a new regulatory structure for Fannie Mae and (similar enterprise) Freddie Mac and the Federal Home Loan Bank.” And, “There is a very simple solution. Congress must create a new regulator with powers at least equal to those of other financial regulators such as the OCC and the Federal Reserve.”

U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., defending Fannie Mae. “Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and in particular Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Franklin Raines.”

Waters went on to praise Fannie Mae and other Government Sponsored Entities (GSE) for finding more ways for low-income people to buy homes, including issuing loans with no down payment and using software that allowed loans to be processed in minutes, rather than days or weeks. “Under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Franklin Raines, everything in the 1992 act has worked just fine. In fact the GSEs have exceeded their housing goals. What we need to do today is focus on the regulator and this must be done in a manner so as not to impede their affordable housing mission, a mission that has seen innovation flourish, from desktop underwriting to 100 percent loans.”

U.S. Barney Frank, D-Mass. “You seem to be saying, ‘Well, these are in areas that could raise safety and soundness problems.’ I don’t see anything in your report that raises safety and soundness problems.” And, “I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in (other type of investments). I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation toward subsidized housing.”

U.S. Rep. Lacy Clay, D-Mo. “This hearing is about the political lynching of Franklin Raines.” And, “I get the feeling the markets are not worried about the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae as OFHEA says that it is. But of course, the markets are not political.”

In the weeks that followed the hearings, Raines resigned as CEO of Fannie Mae over accounting irregularities that allowed the company to overstate its profits by $9 billion.

Would the regulation Republicans were seeking have prevented the recent meltdown? That’s another thing I don’t know. But at least one person thinks it might have. “I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any effort by Republicans in the Congress and by me when I was president to get some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,” former President Bill Clinton said on Good Morning America last month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
 
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dude idk what your watching but the media plays both good and bad about obama as well

and to say they only play bad and false info about McCain/Plain is also false...

it all depends on what you watch
 
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