NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Fermi

[Steevo]

I still stand by my idea, a single closed loop integrated water cooler. Maybe 70C temps still but much better than 96C and probably close to the same price.


I will take a guess these cards won't last beyond two years from thermal stress issues.

 

[btarunr]

Not much extra they could of added to be honest

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/images/cooler4_small.jpg

Bigger fan perhaps.

Nvidia should of done what ATI done and made the cards long to allow more space for bigger heatsinks.

Again its not the heatsink its the card/gpu design.

Contradictio in terminis. Blue: you agree this cooler is insufficient for this GPU. Which means yes, this is a bad cooler. Red: And then you blame it on the card design/GPU.

I'll say it again. Hemlock's (Radeon HD 5970's) cooler is keeping far more number of hot components cooler than what Fermi's cooler is handling. It's cooling two GPUs with 2 Billion transistor counts each, two sets of 3+2+2 phase digital PWM VRM, 16 memory chips, and still ends up being cooler. That implies it's better by design.

 

[pantherx12]

I still stand by my idea, a single closed loop integrated water cooler. Maybe 70C temps still but much better than 96C and probably close to the same price.


I will take a guess these cards won't last beyond two years from thermal stress issues.

I agree actually.

Nvidia if they were smart would make the heat-sink a non profit part and just charge the consumer how much it cost them to implement on the card.

That way price will certainly barely take a knock.

unless they're already doing this



*edit*
BTA I'm going to try to explain one more time why you are wrong.

Firstly a contradiction? No way you obviously can't read when did I say the cooler WAS sufficient for the job? I was merely correcting your statement of the cooler is BAD, which it is not.

Secondly

2 under-clocked 5870 gpus produce less heat then a single 480, that combined with having a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG card ( and thus space for an epic cooler) allows the 5970 cooler to perform better.

So once again, its a the GPU at fault here and Nvidias choice to make the cards short.

If you can't understand that I won't even bother to reply to any subsequent posts you make lol



OOOOOOHHHH thought of an even simpler way to explain it. I won't even use technical terms.

Item 1 produces 100 heat
Item 2 produces 150 heat

Item 1 is in a nice BIG room, so has a nice big radiator attached to it. : ]

Item 2 is in a SMALL room, so unfortunately has to settle for a small radiator : [


Now what source item will be hotter BTA?

And is it a fault of the radiator, or is it due to the higher original heat out put, and the space available FOR the radiator.

 

[Steevo]

If I throw a ball to you which way is it going?

A) The ball is coming to you.
B) The ball id going away from me.

Either way is correct.



Is Fermi too hot? Yes
Is it the fault of the cooler they chose? Yes
Is it nvidias Fault? yes


The cooler sucks, the card sucks, the heat sucks, and it sucks too much power.

 

[pantherx12]

Is Fermi too hot? Yes
Is it the fault of the cooler they chose? Yes
Is it nvidias Fault? yes

Fixed

Is Fermi too hot? Yes
Is it the fault of the cooler they chose? No
Is it nvidias Fault? yes

Its the fault of the GPU being hot as fuck

 

[TheMailMan78]

OOOOOOHHHH thought of an even simpler way to explain it. I won't even use technical terms.

Item 1 produces 100 heat
Item 2 produces 150 heat

Item 2 is in a nice BIG room, so has a nice big radiator attached to it. : ]

Item 2 is in a SMALL room, so unfortunately has to settle for a small radiator : [


Now what source item will be hotter BTA?

Wait what happen to item 1?

 

[El_Mayo]

Does it matter?

 

[pantherx12]

Wait what happen to item 1?

A typo cheers for pointing it out.

 

[TheMailMan78]

A typo cheers for pointing it out.

So item 1 was a typo?

 

[pantherx12]

Well I fixed it now, so just scroll up.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Well I fixed it now, so just scroll up.

I know Panther. I was just f@#kin with ya.

Anyway I think you are missing everyones point....

Steevo and Bta correct me if I'm wrong.....

Basically the GPU could be as hot as the sun and a decent cooler would keep it cooler than Fermi's stock cooler. The thermal production of the GPU is irrelevant in this case.

Bta gave you an example that the 5970 cools TWO GPU's among other things and STILL manages to cool them better than Fermis stock HS. So Ill uses your terms.

Item 1 produces 200 heat
Item 2 produces 150 heat

Item 1 is in a SMALL room and cooled with a big radiator. The heat is now down to 100 heat.
Item 2 is in a BIG room and cooled with a big radiator. The heat is now down to 130 heat.

Whats to be concluded? Fermis cooler sucks.

 

[pantherx12]

Two gpus producing less heat mailman, with a much bigger cooler.

As I said its a combination of space available for the heat-sink and the gpu producing metric shit tons of thermal energy.

As I said, its the best stock cooler I've seen in a long while : ]

Just it simply can't keep up with 300w, does that make it a bad GPU cooler? No, because not many gpu coolers can dissipate that much heat.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Two gpus producing less heat mailman, with a much bigger cooler.

As I said its a combination of space available for the heat-sink and the gpu producing metric shit tons of thermal energy.

As I said, its the best stock cooler I've seen in a long while : ]

Just it simply can't keep up with 300w, does that make it a bad GPU cooler? No, because not many gpu coolers can dissipate that much heat.

And its also cooling a LOT more.

 

[jasper1605]

And its also cooling a LOT more.

what's the power draw of the 5970?

 

[TheMailMan78]

what's the power draw of the 5970?

Its less. However the 4870x2 pulls more and also stays cooler.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

You design a cooler for how hot your gpu is, they didn't do a great job of that as people have pointed out changes that could have increased cooling performance. Instead they chose to just put an insane ass fan in there that can ramp up to crazy levels. You can blame the gpu design, but the fact is once you know what the thermal demands of the gpu will be you need to design a cooler that can keep up with it, which they only barely managed.

 

[TheMailMan78]

You design a cooler for how hot your gpu is, they didn't do a great job of that as people have pointed out changes that could have increased cooling performance. Instead they chose to just put an insane ass fan in there that can ramp up to crazy levels. You can blame the gpu design, but the fact is once you know what the thermal demands of the gpu will be you need to design a cooler that can keep up with it, which they only barely managed.

Well that is true HOWEVER that GPU is WAY to hot for what it does. Fermi itself is the most epic fail since the spruce goose.

 

[pantherx12]

, which they only barely managed.

Precisely



Also mailman on the 5970 its infact cooling less

And with a bigger cooler!

 

[TheMailMan78]

Precisely



Also mailman on the 5970 its infact cooling less

And with a bigger cooler!

Its not that much less and the cooler is not that much bigger.
Also what about the 4870x2?

 

[pantherx12]

Around the same thermal energy produced total, and the temperatures reflect that

With extra space for a bigger heatsink I might add.


"Radeon HD 4870 X2 is a daunting task. According to the Catalyst Control Center, the GPUs were as hot as 92-95°C under load. "

Quote from a xbitlabs review.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/his-hd4870x2_4.html#sect0

 

[TheMailMan78]

Around the same thermal energy produced total, and the temperatures reflect that

With extra space for a bigger heatsink I might add.


"Radeon HD 4870 X2 is a daunting task. According to the Catalyst Control Center, the GPUs were as hot as 92-95°C under load. "

Quote from a xbitlabs review.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/his-hd4870x2_4.html#sect0

Yeah thats where it can peak but doesnt stay unlike Fermi.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

i wouldnt blame the cooler, for not beeing able, to cool this piece of MISengineering, to adequate levels! Nvidia sadly wasnt able to bring a worthful opponent in the game, if you are concerned about more than performance.
its simply not balanced, to be true.
not even an accelero-style aftermarket cooler would be able to dissipate that much heat!
and these things are known for beeing very close to watercooling.
anyhow, the temperated air they emit, will heat up a room in no time,

if someone,someday has a gtx 480 SLI, he may want to do the following experiment:
1. install both gtx 480
2. close all windows and doors in the room where the pc is
3. turn off all heaters in that room, so the heat of them isnt added
4. fire up Furmark in SLI
5. let everything sit for 2-3 hours, meanwhile leave the room, read a book,watch a movie anything that will kill your time.
6. after that time, remove your clothes, besides your underwear, and enter the room
7. suprise! everything is warm like in Simbabwe! your Africa Thermal Condition Simulator is ready!
8. = Profit.


i hope the GTX 580 to be really strong,efficient, and silent! so ati has to struggle and lower their prices again!
the consumers would get better prices, if there was a head-to-head race, this current ATI-Domination hurts us Red teamers more, than it pleases us

 

[a_ump]

i agree with everyone lol. And it will be interesting to see what GTX 580 will be. Hopefully just a die-shrunk, reworked, higher clocked, fermi. But they're def going to have to increase shaders, even re-worked, the HD 5870 is too close to fermi's performance. So the GTX 580 will need to have a good bit of improvement as a tweaked fermi will just get walked on by the HD 6XXX series...i think haha

 

[Super XP]

The cooler sucks, the card sucks, the heat sucks, and it sucks too much power.

Just in case nobodies aware but ATI’s “NEXT GEN” design is going to destroy NVIDIA, so they’d better get Fermi 2 right.

If anybody thinks the HD 5970 is real fast, how about the X800XT vs. HD 5970. Now replace the X800XT with the HD 5970 and replace the HD 5970 with ATI Next Gen we are talking about massive performance

 

[a_ump]

so yea, i thought we had a lot of Diggs/Duggs, but i googled the review and TPU isn't there till the first link on the 2nd page. Does google go by diggs/duggs? cause i personally feel that TPU does the most thorough reviews on the web so it kinda surprises me that it isn't on the first page.