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It happened before with FX5800 (dustbuster and flame thrower) and then NVDA released GF6800 whis was a winner. So, imo GTX480 will be a stepping stone for more refined GTX line in the near future.

rotfl when i read that, still gigling now. so true. thanks:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

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You also seem to have the roles reverse, a lot of these partners wouldn't even exist today if it wasn't for nVidia and their successful products. Where was BFG, eVGA, and XFX before G70? All three jumped on the nVidia wave and rode it until this point, before G70 I don't think anyone would have even know who any of them were. XFX has just jumped from one wave to the other, if they can ride the ATi wave to even greater success I'm glad for them. Really it makes sense too. XFX is probably the best ATi partner right now, with little competition. No other ATi partner offers lifetime warranties, no other partner offers as good of bundles, XFX has a leg up on the ATi partners, and they would have a tuffer time in the nVidia market.

Well in all honesty sapphire has a leg up on the partners it is ati's pcb partner who else get cards like the 4850x2. Also asus has some very good bundles and a warranty to back them up. Visiontek also carries a lifetime warranty and on top end cards some very nice bundles.

Xfx jumping ship should represent the air falling out of nv for this series. Imo g100 is a place holder and 6 months from now they will release a good powerful card think of it like a 2900 hot powerful and sucks power like crazy. Another nv card to compare it to would be the 5800 ultra. It was out performed by the cheaper ati card and thanks to it we had high vga card prices.

Now view on all this mess nv needs a good card so we can have competition who liked 4850 for 250 almost immediatly after release? Who liked 9800gtx for cheap? Cause all of that is gone if fermi continues to flop the 5850 is way overpriced right now and will stay there until nv releases a card worth 2 shits.

Oh and 1st to call me an ati lover may as well skip it I have owned nv cards and still use nv cards I just walked into my current cards for cheap.
 

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Well in all honesty sapphire has a leg up on the partners it is ati's pcb partner who else get cards like the 4850x2. Also asus has some very good bundles and a warranty to back them up. Visiontek also carries a lifetime warranty and on top end cards some very nice bundles.

Xfx jumping ship should represent the air falling out of nv for this series. Imo g100 is a place holder and 6 months from now they will release a good powerful card think of it like a 2900 hot powerful and sucks power like crazy. Another nv card to compare it to would be the 5800 ultra. It was out performed by the cheaper ati card and thanks to it we had high vga card prices.

Now view on all this mess nv needs a good card so we can have competition who liked 4850 for 250 almost immediatly after release? Who liked 9800gtx for cheap? Cause all of that is gone if fermi continues to flop the 5850 is way overpriced right now and will stay there until nv releases a card worth 2 shits.

Oh and 1st to call me an ati lover may as well skip it I have owned nv cards and still use nv cards I just walked into my current cards for cheap.

Sapphire didn't "get" the HD4850x2, they were just the only ones to develope it. ATi left the design to the partners, and Sapphire was the only one that wanted to make one, mainly because most of the partners were afraid the HD4850x2 sales would kill the HD4870x2.

ASUS' certainly doesn't have the warranty to back up their cards, they only have a 3 year, VisionTek does, I wasn't aware of this as they used to have a 3 year also. I'm guess Visiontek moving to a lifetime warranty is reaction to XFX entering the ATi market, which is certainly a good thing. XFX, IMO, really is showing the other ATi partners how to do things.

As for competition, I'm not worried about it, as I've already pointed out. GTX480 being competitive doesn't worry me, because it is out ahead and won't be competitive at all. What worries me is the GTX470 being competitive. As long as GTX470 managed to at least be competitive with the HD5870, I'll be happy, and nVidia can release a lower card to compete with the HD5850.
 

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Sapphire didn't "get" the HD4850x2, they were just the only ones to develope it. ATi left the design to the partners, and Sapphire was the only one that wanted to make one, mainly because most of the partners were afraid the HD4850x2 sales would kill the HD4870x2.

ASUS' certainly doesn't have the warranty to back up their cards, they only have a 3 year, VisionTek does, I wasn't aware of this as they used to have a 3 year also. I'm guess Visiontek moving to a lifetime warranty is reaction to XFX entering the ATi market, which is certainly a good thing. XFX, IMO, really is showing the other ATi partners how to do things.

As for competition, I'm not worried about it, as I've already pointed out. GTX480 being competitive doesn't worry me, because it is out ahead and won't be competitive at all. What worries me is the GTX470 being competitive. As long as GTX470 managed to at least be competitive with the HD5870, I'll be happy, and nVidia can release a lower card to compete with the HD5850.

Did you get inside knowledge from asus vt and other companies about there developement of the 4850x2 that I didn't?

And they way the asus warranty works is you have 3 years for the original card to die and the replacement recieves another 3 yr contract to it as they are issued by serial number and warranty works off manuf date not sales date.

Also what competition the 480 doesn't outperform the 5970 hell there are benchmarks the gtx295 275 and 4870x2 beat it in. The card is a flop just like the fx series was yes nv had a 5950 ultra but it sure as hell got beat ny the 9800pro same goes here 480<5970
 

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Did you get inside knowledge from asus vt and other companies about there developement of the 4850x2 that I didn't?

And they way the asus warranty works is you have 3 years for the original card to die and the replacement recieves another 3 yr contract to it as they are issued by serial number and warranty works off manuf date not sales date.

Also what competition the 480 doesn't outperform the 5970 hell there are benchmarks the gtx295 275 and 4870x2 beat it in. The card is a flop just like the fx series was yes nv had a 5950 ultra but it sure as hell got beat ny the 9800pro same goes here 480<5970

Go back and read the news articles from the HD4850x2, there were several discussing it.

Every ASUS warranty I've done, the replacement part continues the original warranty from the part it replace, the warranty period does not extend when the part is replaced. A lot of companies go by manufacture day, however brand new replacement parts do not apply, they all have systems set up to adjust for this.

The GTX480 isn't $750 either... What I find on is that people are saying that like just because the GTX480 doesn't outperform the HD5970, it is a flop. You know where it does outperform the HD5970? Price vs. Performance. Yep, the GTX480 is actually better than the HD5970 in Price vs. Performance! Why does the GTX480 have to outperform the HD5970 anyway? Did the GTX285 outperform the HD4870x2? No. Was the GTX285 a damn good card? Yes. The GTX480 isn't a great card, I certainly wouldn't buy it. However, the reviews still put it out front of the HD5870 by a decent amount, and of course that comes at a price. However, I'm more interested in the GTX470, which the reviews seem to put at just about even with the HD5870. That is the competition that I'm concerned about. Because right now, if I had to pick between a $400 HD5870 and a $349 GTX470, I'd go with the equally performing GTX470 for less money. Hopefully we'll see something like a GTX460 that compete with the HD5850 and drives those prices down also.
 
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Go back and read the news articles from the HD4850x2, there were several discussing it.

Every ASUS warranty I've done, the replacement part continues the original warranty from the part it replace, the warranty period does not extend when the part is replaced. A lot of companies go by manufacture day, however brand new replacement parts do not apply, they all have systems set up to adjust for this.

Why does the GTX480 have to outperform the HD5970? Did the GTX285 outperform the HD4870x2? No. Was the GTX285 a damn good card? Yes. The GTX480 isn't a great card, I certainly wouldn't buy it. However, the reviews still put it out front of the HD5870 by a decent amount, and of course that comes at a price. However, I'm more interested in the GTX470, which the reviews seem to put at just about even with the HD5870. That is the competition that I'm concerned about. Because right now, if I had to pick between a $400 HD5870 and a $349 GTX470, I'd go with the equally performing GTX470 for less money. Hopefully we'll see something like a GTX460 that compete with the HD5850 and drives those prices down also.


Ok I see your point however I remember when the 2900's came you were the first to point out issues with them running hot or this or that right now you are stairing at the equivilent nvidia card except this one it won't even oc all that well. 5870 is a better card it pulls less juice to accomplish the same performance oh it puts out less heat too and to top it all off you can xfire 3 of them on a 1200w psu without starting a fire. So it has a better multi card upgrade path you don't need a new psu just to run one of them.

In all honesty I think you are a wee bit of an nv fanboi and clouded to the ati side of things I have run both sets of cards and moved where performance was. I had a ti4200 7800 g92 all those nv cards as well as a 3850 and 4800x2's

The ati card makes more logical sense right now the gtx already has reports of high returns and killing high end psu's its not worth it you save your $50 and why don't you instead buy $100 more expensive psu so your gtx runs and while your at it move your cpu to water cause the vga puts out more heat than the case can handle. G92 was a milestone for nv these cards they are a turd.
 
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I have not gone back to XFX since my repeted RMA problems with the FC chokes or lack there of on the initial 280GTX cards.
I can still hear the screaching sound in my head.
Did they ever have problems like this on AMD ati cards???
I never did any follow up on this issue.
 
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I have not gone back to XFX since my repeted RMA problems with the FC chokes or lack there of on the initial 280GTX cards.
I can still hear the screaching sound in my head.
Did they ever have problems like this on AMD ati cards???
I never did any follow up on this issue.
As far as I know the GTX280 has the highest failure rate of any card except for the 4870X2.
 
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As far as I know the GTX280 has the highest failure rate of any card except for the 4870X2.

All 280's or just XFX? ..........and thank you.
 
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All 280's or just XFX? ..........and thank you.
All of them in general.
One thing in common of these cards are they run really warm.

The thing about XFX is that they aren't know for having the best coolers on their cards,
so I guess it is good for them to stay away from the GF100.
 
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werent they reference cooled?
 
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werent they reference cooled?
The GTX 280s are mostly so, but the full GT200 which is 65nm runs quite hot.
For the GF100, knowing what XFX did with the 4890s will you still want to buy their non-reference cards?
Most importantly, XFX offers life-time warranties in the USA, so I guess it isn't smart for them to produce cards with potentially high failure rates.
 
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Don't know if this is blow to NV, XFX or customers.
 

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The GTX 280s are mostly so, but the full GT200 which is 65nm runs quite hot.
For the GF100, knowing what XFX did with the 4890s will you still want to buy their non-reference cards?

it took NV the 285 to actually make an Impact for the High End, but seriously NV is pushing the thermal barrier and power supply requirements that eventually the gen after this series will have to be a total 180 or they will actually fall.
 

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it took NV the 285 to actually make an Impact for the High End, but seriously NV is pushing the thermal barrier and power supply requirements that eventually the gen after this series will have to be a total 180 or they will actually fall.

yeah I think the initial shock was that some people might actually need to upgrade their PSU's to run a single or dual 480 when a 750-850w PSU would be perfectly fine for 2 5870's now you need at least 1k on the PSU lol.

be interesting to see what temps the cards get under water.
 

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Sapphire didn't "get" the HD4850x2, they were just the only ones to develope it. ATi left the design to the partners, and Sapphire was the only one that wanted to make one, mainly because most of the partners were afraid the HD4850x2 sales would kill the HD4870x2.

ASUS' certainly doesn't have the warranty to back up their cards, they only have a 3 year, VisionTek does, I wasn't aware of this as they used to have a 3 year also. I'm guess Visiontek moving to a lifetime warranty is reaction to XFX entering the ATi market, which is certainly a good thing. XFX, IMO, really is showing the other ATi partners how to do things.

As for competition, I'm not worried about it, as I've already pointed out. GTX480 being competitive doesn't worry me, because it is out ahead and won't be competitive at all. What worries me is the GTX470 being competitive. As long as GTX470 managed to at least be competitive with the HD5870, I'll be happy, and nVidia can release a lower card to compete with the HD5850.

Small correction. Visiontek had a lifetime warranty years before XFX came over to the red side.
 

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yeah I think the initial shock was that some people might actually need to upgrade their PSU's to run a single or dual 480 when a 750-850w PSU would be perfectly fine for 2 5870's now you need at least 1k on the PSU lol.

be interesting to see what temps the cards get under water.

well in a single instance if water was stationary it would reach the boiling point very quickly since 100 C is 212 F, over the small amt of water that goes through a block.
 

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Small correction. Visiontek had a lifetime warranty years before XFX came over to the red side.

Yep - VT also used to handle nearly all mid-tier brand warranties, too (even the ATI branded cards).

Their cards aren't anything overly "special" or "blingy," but they're solid as hell (never had one fail on me).
 

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Ok I see your point however I remember when the 2900's came you were the first to point out issues with them running hot or this or that right now you are stairing at the equivilent nvidia card except this one it won't even oc all that well. 5870 is a better card it pulls less juice to accomplish the same performance oh it puts out less heat too and to top it all off you can xfire 3 of them on a 1200w psu without starting a fire. So it has a better multi card upgrade path you don't need a new psu just to run one of them.

I don't remember worrying much about the HD2900's running hot, I believe my issues with them were that they were overpriced. I've always gone with the best bang for the buck. I'll be the first one to point out the problems with the GTX480 also, in fact I did later on down in the post. However, again, my buying decision almost always goes with bang for the buck, and that is pretty much what I am always concerned with.

In all honesty I think you are a wee bit of an nv fanboi and clouded to the ati side of things I have run both sets of cards and moved where performance was. I had a ti4200 7800 g92 all those nv cards as well as a 3850 and 4800x2's

For someone that just a few posts back went on about people not calling you an ATi fan boy because you've own nVidia cards too...you sure are quick to do the exact same thing to others...:slap:

Did you happen to look at what card is currently in my main rig? An HD4890. Guess what card was in Rig4 before the 8800GTS...and x800xl(bought here from Xazax), and before that was an x1950Pro(sold to Crashnburnxp). I've also had an x1900GT(bought from Blacktruckryder), which was replaced with an HD3850(bought from Xazax), which was replaced by an HD4670(sold to 3dsage), which was now replaced by the HD4890. I just purchased an HD4870x2 off miahallen. About the only series I haven't personally owned a card from was the HD2000 series, which I skipped, and to be fair, I skipped the G80 series also, I wasn't interested in either as both didn't offer enough gains over the cards I currently had to justify the price. The only reason I have a G80 card now is because I got a good deal on it, and I wanted it to replace the x800xl so I could use the machine to fold.

The ati card makes more logical sense right now the gtx already has reports of high returns and killing high end psu's its not worth it you save your $50 and why don't you instead buy $100 more expensive psu so your gtx runs and while your at it move your cpu to water cause the vga puts out more heat than the case can handle. G92 was a milestone for nv these cards they are a turd.

No, the GTX480 doesn't make sense. However, as I already said, the GTX470 is actually looking promising. Granted, I won't totally believe that until we see a W1z review on it, but from the other reviews it is looking promising. It doesn't use an extreme amount of power like the GTX480(so no worry about killing power supplies), it does still get hot but it uses a much weaker heatsink and fan than the GTX480 also. The heat output is only about 60w more than the HD5870, which actually does an amazing job in heat and power usage. However, the interesting thing is that the GTX470's heat output and power usage is very much inline with my current HD4890 and GTX285, and it is actually very similar to the GTX280. I don't need to worry about water-cooling my CPU with those cards, so I'm not worried about it with the GTX470. I think most, including you, seem to be caught up on the GTX480 and applying the problems it has with GTX470. However, it is pretty obvious that nVidia really pushed that card to make it one hell of a beast so it would beat the HD5870 hands down, while the scaled back GTX470 is actually a reasonable card. The HD5870 is better in heat and power, but the GTX470 certainly isn't unreasonable, it compares rather nicely to the high end cards of the last generation actually, the HD5870 has just sets an extremly high bar.
 
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If margins are suppose to be as tight (or non existent) as is rumored for the GTX 4xx cards, then to me its no surprise that they dropped them. Why not take that extra money and sell those crazy overpriced 5970 Blacks that will all sell out quickly? There are going to be huge margins on them compared to the 480/470.
 

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Yep - VT also used to handle nearly all mid-tier brand warranties, too (even the ATI branded cards).

Their cards aren't anything overly "special" or "blingy," but they're solid as hell (never had one fail on me).

I could careless about the bling, but for one wanna bet they are a modders toy actually, for 1 different cooling, volt mods etc.
 
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This is obvious. Who´s gonna give a long warranty for a product that´s benn killed itself by it´s own heat.. nice move from XFX, they finally realized that AMD has the leadership now
 
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