NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Fermi

[DaedalusHelios]

Nope its just people keep going on and on about TWIMTBP and ATI AI when both sides uses them as excuses for their cards short comings. Get over it. Both sides do it.

Nvidia makes a mistake = outrage torward those evil fucks!

ATi makes a mistake = Get over it. Both sides do it.

Double standard BS. The love of ATi reminds me of feminism. Opinions based on emotion and not logic. Nvidia bashing is expected and welcomed. ATi bashing is somehow wrong doing? Lets be consistent. I question both companies and their motives. We all should.

 

[Wile E]

I don't like that IQ is reduced to gain frames. I want the control over that, not my drivers.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Nvidia makes a mistake = outrage torward those evil fucks!

ATi makes a mistake = Get over it. Both sides do it.

Double standard BS. The love of ATi reminds me of feminism. Opinions based on emotion and not logic. Nvidia bashing is expected and welcomed. ATi bashing is somehow wrong doing? Lets be consistent. I question both companies and their motives. We all should.

I agree, sadly there is no logic in fanboi wars but hey...... I suppose the real secret is to not be a fanboi!

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I agree, sadly there is no logic in fanboi wars but hey...... I suppose the real secret is to not be a fanboi!

I used to be somewhat of an ATi fanboi a while ago, but people like you taught me to be more objective.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Nvidia makes a mistake = outrage torward those evil fucks!

ATi makes a mistake = Get over it. Both sides do it.

Double standard BS. The love of ATi reminds me of feminism. Opinions based on emotion and not logic. Nvidia bashing is expected and welcomed. ATi bashing is somehow wrong doing? Lets be consistent. I question both companies and their motives. We all should.

What mistake? I want to see some screens. All I hear is a bunch of hearsay. Anyway an ATI IQ "mistake" wont blow a PSU like a Nvidia voltage "mistake". Apples and oranges. Should ATIs issue be fixed? It damn sure should if its true but Nvidia could cost you money. Big difference. Also I have no "outrage". I could care less. I buy whats best for me at any given time. Right now thats ATI. Next year it could be Nvidia.

All Im asking is to see some screens.

 

[cliffmidnite]

What mistake? I want to see some screens. All I hear is a bunch of hearsay. Anyway an ATI IQ "mistake" wont blow a PSU like a Nvidia voltage "mistake". Apples and oranges. Should ATIs issue be fixed? It damn sure should if its true but Nvidia could cost you money. Big difference. Also I have no "outrage". I could care less. I buy whats best for me at any given time. Right now thats ATI. Next year it could be Nvidia.

All Im asking is to see some screens.

I too buy what is best for me at the current time of purchase. Right now it looks like ATI has best price per performance and performance per watt. I grabbed an 8800GTS when they dropped to about $100 bucks, then grabbed a gtx 260 when they hit $180. Then I snatched up a 5870 on sale for $379 in February. I'm thinking this card will tide me over for 2 years or so unless more demanding games actually start to catch up to the gpu power we have available. Cheers to all the unbiased non fanboys!

 

[nt300]

It's far more noticeable while gaming than on a still image. And seriously I'm not going to waste my time showing you further evidences, if it doesn't bother you, that's right, but don't say there's nothing there, because there is. This is like dicussing if there is difference between 4xAA and 32xAA, of course there is a heavy improvement, but it's subjective and some will no see it (some will not care, some will be willing to accept it for improved performance...). But in this analogy we have been using 32xAA since late 90's and some of us just don't want to go back.

I see difference when using 32xAA versus 4xAA or 8xAA when playing Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 along with FarCry, Oblivion, Titan Quest and a few others. It seems like game gets a little darker and cleaner or sharper with 32xAA but I do have a hard time seeing a PQ difference with 24xAA versus 32xAA.

 

[Black Panther]

The ETA on OcUK's site is tomorrow.

Edit: Now that 'tomorrow' has come, they changed the ETA to 12th April... meh

 

[Sanhime]

revisions coming very soon?

Perhaps only a couple months after Nvidia releases 480, we'll start seeing a 485gtx very very soon?

 

[DaedalusHelios]

What mistake? I want to see some screens. All I hear is a bunch of hearsay. Anyway an ATI IQ "mistake" wont blow a PSU like a Nvidia voltage "mistake". Apples and oranges. Should ATIs issue be fixed? It damn sure should if its true but Nvidia could cost you money. Big difference. Also I have no "outrage". I could care less. I buy whats best for me at any given time. Right now thats ATI. Next year it could be Nvidia.

All Im asking is to see some screens.

If you don't see the trend perhaps you and many others just do it subconciously. It is no big deal to me as I don't care much for either company but it is something that I have noticed and not just from you. This isn't meant to single you out. Heck you are not the best example of it by far.

 

[Sanhime]

Something important was missing in the review. I would like to see the performance of a 480GTX SLI setup.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Something important was missing in the review. I would like to see the performance of a 480GTX SLI setup.

Good luck getting two fermis.

 

[Marineborn]

Something important was missing in the review. I would like to see the performance of a 480GTX SLI setup.

good luck getting a powerplant, LOLZ

 

[mdsx1950]

Perhaps only a couple months after Nvidia releases 480, we'll start seeing a 485gtx very very soon?

And hopefully GTX495 too I would love to see the performance and the heat of the sun generated by the dual GPU card that beats the 5970

 

[nt300]

Perhaps only a couple months after Nvidia releases 480, we'll start seeing a 485gtx very very soon?

Not likely. Look like Nvidia need to scrap GF100 completely and move to something that works and make them profit.

Getting back to the GF100, sources at Nvidia are confirming that the yields are far less than 20 percent on both of the variants, GTX480 and GTX470, combined. This means that the silicon for the GPU, before packaging and testing, costs at least $250 for each part. Once you add all the components and make the card, there is no way the GTX470 and GTX480 can make a profit, given what they are being sold for.

If you are queued up for the second batch, don't expect there to be one. If Nvidia is losing money on each board it sells, trying to make it up in volume is not a sane way to proceed. Expect Nvidia to once again pretend that the cards are not EOL'd and trickle the stock it puts aside out over the next few months. If this sounds eerily familiar, that is because Nvidia is doing the exact same thing with the GTX285. It is keeping up appearances while its partners get no stock and suffer the financial consequences.

Last up is a new code name for the far future, GF119. It is likely a next gen 'Fermi II' part, and if Nvidia keeps its naming conventions, a low end one at that. There hasn't been an x9 part in the last three generations of GPUs, so this might be an attempt to do something altogether new. People briefed on Nvidia's long term plans say that this is one to keep an eye on, so SemiAccurate will do exactly that. Stay tuned.S|A
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/04/05/new-nvidia-code-names-pop/

 

[Steevo]

I'm guessing Nvidia will stockpile the best cores, use the worst cores for low end cards and cheapo workstation cards, then release a high end Fermi part that can hit a certain speed with full shaders, name it the 495 or some bullshit, add a limited time only thingy, throw on some huge and insane cooler, or force watercooling, and sell it for 699 each.


GPU's need to make the move to SOI.

 

[SetsunaFZero]

I'm guessing Nvidia will stockpile the best cores, use the worst cores for low end cards and cheapo workstation cards, then release a high end Fermi part that can hit a certain speed with full shaders, name it the 495 or some bullshit, add a limited time only thingy, throw on some huge and insane cooler, or force watercooling, and sell it for 699 each.

thats what i thought to

i guess the refresh is gonna be 32nm. As for now im gonna stick with my gtx275 for another year.
It doesn't pays off to bay a new card now.:shadedshu

 

[Super XP]

thats what i thought to

i guess the refresh is gonna be 32nm. As for now im gonna stick with my gtx275 for another year.
It doesn't pays off to bay a new card now.:shadedshu

Didn't you hear, there isn't 32nm it got scrapped. We are going to see 28nm sometime between Q4 2010 to Q1 2011 for AMD's Northern Island. I don't think 28nm is going to help Fermi with speed all that much, but heat problems maybe.

 

[SetsunaFZero]

Didn't you hear, there isn't 32nm it got scrapped. We are going to see 28nm sometime between Q4 2010 to Q1 2011 for AMD's Northern Island. I don't think 28nm is going to help Fermi with speed all that much, but heat problems maybe.

cool ye speed won't change but the power consume and heat. Thats what im looking forward

 

[newtekie1]

What mistake? I want to see some screens. All I hear is a bunch of hearsay. Anyway an ATI IQ "mistake" wont blow a PSU like a Nvidia voltage "mistake". Apples and oranges. Should ATIs issue be fixed? It damn sure should if its true but Nvidia could cost you money. Big difference. Also I have no "outrage". I could care less. I buy whats best for me at any given time. Right now thats ATI. Next year it could be Nvidia.

All Im asking is to see some screens.

I just have to point out the irony of that statement. Considering there is no proof of nVidia's "mistake" killing a single PSU.

Doesn't that kind of prove Deadhelios' point about the hypocritical BS? You demand proof of ATi's issue, but are more than happy to believe hearsay about nVidia without a single shred of proof?

Oh, and of course there were screenshots proving ATi's mistake, if you read the original thread about it...

And if you really want to compare apples to apples, look at the HD4850 issues with furmark loops burning up the cards... Furmark running in a loop is torture on a machine, that is why it is called a torture test.

If you don't see the trend perhaps you and many others just do it subconciously. It is no big deal to me as I don't care much for either company but it is something that I have noticed and not just from you. This isn't meant to single you out. Heck you are not the best example of it by far.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one that notices the trend. It is probably why most people notice me "bashing ATi" so much, when really I'm just defending nVidia from idiotic fanboys that believe that any ill talk of ATi of positive talk of nVidia makes me an nVidia fanboy. If they would pay attention, they would probably see that I usually defent ATi in any idiotic thread made about them also, those thread just come along far less often around here, and when they do and I defend ATi most don't even notice because they are too busy only reading posts that are negative about ATi, they tend to just skim over the postive posts.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I just have to point out the irony of that statement. Considering there is no proof of nVidia's "mistake" killing a single PSU.

Doesn't that kind of prove Deadhelios' point about the hypocritical BS? You demand proof of ATi's issue, but are more than happy to believe hearsay about nVidia without a single shred of proof?

Oh, and of course there were screenshots proving ATi's mistake, if you read the original thread about it...

And if you really want to compare apples to apples, look at the HD4850 issues with furmark loops burning up the cards... Furmark running in a loop is torture on a machine, that is why it is called a torture test.

And that is why w1zz contacted Nvidia about their mistake? I guess it was just a typo right? I mean voltage is just as much part of opinion as say image quality? As for any "proof" of Nvidia killing a PSU lets not be stupid. The damn card isn't on the shelf yet and even if it was Nvidia would never admit (nor ATI) of such a mistake. Playing with voltage numbers is FAR more dangerous than bending IQ to "cheat". Also speaking of IQ I saw no proof in that link. So lets sum this up simple like.

1. Nvidia "played" with the voltage numbers. Thats a fact unless you think W1zz lies.
2. ATI cheating in the IQ section has yet to have any proof.

With that being said I have no idea if ATI is doing what some of you claim. It wouldn't surprise me to be honest. I just want some concrete proof.

 

[erocker]

To everyone:

This "thread" is for the discussion of this GTX480 review. This is not an ATi vs. Nvidia thead. Post your thoughts on the review and move along.

Thanks for your cooperation.

 

[20mmrain]

The fact is that Nvidia screwed up this round and was too ambitious. They made a card that runs hotter then the competition. They made a card that uses more power than the competition. They also made a card that despite having a 6 month later due date .... is only about 10% better then the competition.
With from what I hear Nvidia was having money problems to begin with. I don't think this will be the end for Nvidia. But I think we might see a couple of low years from them. I think we might also see things like the market share start to become more 50/50 over the next year or two.

But while I have always been more in favor for the red team..... these problems that Nvidia could start having still doesn't make me excited. All these problems mean that price wars are probably out of the question. I think that is bad news for everyone.

Let's hope with maybe some driver tweaks and a little bit of reworking like (a 8800gt to a 9800gt or a GTX 280 to a GTX 285) Nvidia can pull this technology off.... and we can see even better technology in the future as well as some decent price wars happening in the future.

Although while these cards are listed for sell everywhere know one has one. So Maybe after non reference designs come out and we actually get to play with them..... they might not be as bad as they seem. (except for the heat issue.) That I am still not sure how they can control that with out a really beefed up air cooler if not having to be water cooled.

When I saw this ..... I didn't think it was a good sign.....

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=015-P3-1489-AR&family=GeForce%20400%20Series%20Family

The only way EVGA can produce a FTW edition card is to have this thing water cooled. That isn't good at all!

 

[erocker]

The fact is that Nvidia screwed up this round and was too ambitious. They made a card that runs hotter then the competition. They made a card that uses more power than the competition. They also made a card that despite having a 6 month later due date .... is only about 10% better then the competition.
With from what I hear Nvidia was having money problems to begin with. I don't think this will be the end for Nvidia. But I think we might see a couple of low years from them. I think we might also see things like the market share start to become more 50/50 over the next year or two.

But while I have always been more in favor for the red team..... these problems that Nvidia could start having still doesn't make me excited. All these problems mean that price wars are probably out of the question. I think that is bad news for everyone.

Let's hope with maybe some driver tweaks and a little bit of reworking like (a 8800gt to a 9800gt or a GTX 280 to a GTX 285) Nvidia can pull this technology off.... and we can see even better technology in the future as well as some decent price wars happening in the future.

Although while these cards are listed for sell everywhere know one has one. So Maybe after non reference designs come out and we actually get to play with them..... they might not be as bad as they seem. (except for the heat issue.) That I am still not sure how they can control that with out a really beefed up air cooler if not having to be water cooled.

When I saw this ..... I didn't think it was a good sign.....

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=015-P3-1489-AR&family=GeForce%20400%20Series%20Family

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34757&stc=1&d=1270605752

The only way EVGA can produce a FTW edition card is to have this thing water cooled. That isn't good at all!

I'll take one of those. Running that card in my loop would be nothing but good! -not too pricey though...

 

[20mmrain]

I'll take one of those. Running that card in my loop would be nothing but good!

Well for sure if you had a loop..... but for people like me (who haven't invested in a loop yet) and for most of the other people in the world..... it won't be practical.

Face it even most gamers it wouldn't be practical for.

I think allot of Nvidia people were waiting for this card to come out and be the next big thing...... I believe most of those same people were waiting for it ..... so that they could upgrade their aging 8800GTX's or their 9800GTX's. I know I have heard allot of people claiming that.
So If I were someone waiting for this card..... and put all my eggs in one basket.... I would be upset too.

I mean sure they could always buy from ATI..... but come on .... call it fanboyism call it what ever you want. But card loyalty is just a fact of enthusiast life and if your brand comes out with a bomb .... your going to be a little bit angry. Especially if you need special equipment that you don't have to run it.

But with that said .... once I get my loop I would gladly play with a GTX 480 FTW too (If someone gave it to me). I bet you a good water loop could get that card down to at leeast 80c LOL

-not too pricey though...

I don't know man....$649.99 for really mild extra performance. That seems like a big jump to me From $499.99 or $549.99. You could get a card that is 30% to 40% more powerful for about the same price.