Starcraft II Clubhouse

[Fourstaff]

i love the feeling of finding that one weakness in my enemies psychology, macro, micro, or strategy and exploiting it.

people i play against regularly (the TPU'ers) would have noticed - i never do the same thing twice in a row (unless i'm sure they arent expecting me to do it ), and i always work towards the perfect counter for what they've got. I fight an economy war of getting the most out of my units and them getting the least out of theirs.

once i get to know them, i dont even need to counter their race - i counter THEM. Dan (i think his name was), one of deathmores friends is a great example. he's a fan of regular move and not attack move, so once i trace the path of his units either reinforcing or retreating, i'll sit some units along that path and pick him off piece meal.

Well, I am not as good with mindgames, and consequently I usually start with the same style of play each day (foxer open, rauder heavy etc.) My friends will usually know what I am going to build most of the time, and the game revolves around me outsmarting and out microing them (hellion drop in main followed by a sustained push in natural?). I fight a micro game, punctuated heavily with favourable exchanges of army (medivacs help a great deal here). Very often, I can hold my own with 2 bases against 3 bases, and I am capable (at times) of drawing the game to extreme lengths to starve my opponent.

I do not counter players, I think that will not help me improve my game (at this level), but it helps to know what your opponent will go in response to what they have seen.

My greatest weaknesses? Horrible apm (70 and slowly increasing), inability to macro while micro, and complete inability to fully use 3 bases (due to the fact that I have polished my 2 base and below to go against 3 bases)

 

[Mussels]

how can i check my APM? that might be interesting



my weakness is that i suck at countering strats and tactics i dont understand. i fit the protoss idea: excel in some areas, suck in others.

i cant get better without learning those strats myself, i have to play with them before i can play against them.

 

[Yin]

how can i check my APM? that might be interesting



my weakness is that i suck at countering strats and tactics i dont understand. i fit the protoss idea: excel in some areas, suck in others.

i cant get better without learning those strats myself, i have to play with them before i can play against them.

You can check by watching your replay and pressing the M button I believe

 

[Mussels]

You can check by watching your replay and pressing the M button I believe

methinks i need to save a replay then. i'll have a looksee if i got any saved.

edit: my APM peaked at 168, but averaged around 30 in the last game we played.


i guess i can spam real hard at times ^^

 

[Yin]

Apm isn't everything, sure it helps but you need to be doing some effective with your apm.

Are you grouping your units\buildings mussels?

 

[Mussels]

Apm isn't everything, sure it helps but you need to be doing some effective with your apm.

Are you grouping your units\buildings mussels?

yeah i group my construction buildings.


1-2-3 are my armies, 4 is for AA (vikings, VR's, etc), 5 reserved for special units (thors, carriers, moship etc, or secondary AA (phoenix, when i have VR's already)) 6 and 7 i dont use yet, 8 for HQ's with 9 and 0 for my production buildings.

this would have to be my absolute peak, i don't think i could achieve that speed intentionally.

edit: black was deathmore and blue was JC316 in that image, for comparison. i guess my average is low because i tend to use attack move and qeue things up, so i can sit back and watch the overall picture and plan while things are happening. i also dont spam click like some people - one click is enough for a move order or attack move, not the dozens i see some people doing in live streams. waste of time imo.

 

[Yin]

haha the laid back efficient player

 

[mlee49]

A simple APM lesson I learned is the higher APM can allow you to multitask better.

I wonder what my APM is, guess I should watch a reply.

 

[Mussels]

haha the laid back efficient player

with random APM spikes into the insane levels

 

[Yin]

Anyone care for a game on the newer maps?

 

[Mussels]

almost 3am here, so nope. list your ID/code/region tho, so it can be added to the first post.

 

[kid41212003]

Sure, Blizzard melee maps?

 

[Yin]

Yin 426 SEA
Yin 814 NA

Yep are you on sea or na?

 

[Fourstaff]

30?! well, if I play at 30 apm I will collapse in a heap. I don't spam my apm as much as most, my average apm for the first 2-3 mins of the game is usually low 20s. Average sustained apm in a micro fest for me is almost 100 (which is okish for 2500Diamond), but I can spike at about 250 in intense moments of micro and macro, decent enough for me. If you remove the apm fests, my average is a lot closer to 50.

Grouping for me is 1 main army, 2 harrass army/air/secondary army, 3 scout replaced by ravens/Ghosts/casters in midgame, using scans for scouting. 4 orbital, 5 rax/fac/starport. I don't usually use 6, but at times that will be upgrades. 7-0 is never used for me.

 

[mlee49]

I suck at building groupings, I think I should be using 4-6 for those but need practice.

 

[Fourstaff]

I suck at building groupings, I think I should be using 4-6 for those but need practice.

Develop your personal preference. From my experience, I think Orbital at 4 is too low, it should have been 5, but now old habits die hard. Its easy to go on a habit of grouping your buildings, just make sure you set a group number to them every time you build a new building.

 

[JC316]

we share opinions.


its just that with protoss, IF you get that right combination you can dominate.

early dark templar vs zerg, and target his gas? no stealth detect for him.
phoenix vs siege tanks? gravitron, pwn, run.


i love the feeling of finding that one weakness in my enemies psychology, macro, micro, or strategy and exploiting it.


people i play against regularly (the TPU'ers) would have noticed - i never do the same thing twice in a row (unless i'm sure they arent expecting me to do it ), and i always work towards the perfect counter for what they've got. I fight an economy war of getting the most out of my units and them getting the least out of theirs.

once i get to know them, i dont even need to counter their race - i counter THEM. Dan (i think his name was), one of deathmores friends is a great example. he's a fan of regular move and not attack move, so once i trace the path of his units either reinforcing or retreating, i'll sit some units along that path and pick him off piece meal.

You are a poker player, you play the person, not the map. I am a chess player, I work in strategies and counter punch my opponent. That may be why I have a decent record in 1v1 with random people, but not with the TPUers.

Had a damn good game last night that I actually lost. Me vs a terran guy. He went for a reaper rush, I went for early void rays. I managed to take out his reapers fairly quickly, then decimated his economy with 4 voids, but he killed them. Went back and forth like that till the end. I had 12 rays, he had a bazillion marines and 4 thors. He hit my base, right as I was hitting his. My base was almost gone, but I managed to sneak a probe out and made a new nexus on the other side of the map. He was down to his last building, which was a command center when his army caught up and waxed my void rays. 5 more rays and I would have had him.

The next game me and another guy had the exact same idea, DT's and base rape. I pulled it off better than him because I already had a second expansion and he didn't. We both had a chuckle out of it because we did the exact same tech tree.

 

[kid41212003]

I'm a team player.
I tend to notice other people mistake n fill up the weak spots with appropriate units.

 

[Fourstaff]

I am a Terran player. I build only marines, maurauders, medivacs and vikings no matter what we play

 

[Mussels]

to quote how JC speaks:

i'm fixin a sammich n something to drink, then i'll be fixin to kick your asses XD

 

[JC316]

to quote how JC speaks:

i'm fixin a sammich n something to drink, then i'll be fixin to kick your asses XD

I'm fixin to be on SC2. Give me 30, gotta go put some transmission fluid in a car, see if it runs.

 

[kid41212003]

wow! let me join!

 

[Mussels]

wow! let me join!

add me. i'm partay leader.

 

[JC316]

Fixing to be in game.

 

[Mussels]

not sure what i'm doing, housemates seem to want a coop session of magicka...


edit: nup, they want that later. its nakey SCII time!