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But yeah, WWIII is long overdue. Wars are to humans as lions are to zebras. The good news is that the inevitable famine that is approaching will no doubt trigger WWIII if some political matter doesn't trigger it first.
 

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But yeah, WWIII is long overdue. Wars are to humans as lions are to zebras. The good news is that the inevitable famine that is approaching will no doubt trigger WWIII if some political matter doesn't trigger it first.

I remember from school (history class) that after WWII, there was a so-called babyboom because of the people being so happy it was over (celebrating in that certain way I don't have to describe further, I'm sure you know what I mean). Behaving like rabbits made the pop getting up to the usual levels again within one or two decades.
 

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I remember from school (history class) that after WWII, there was a so-called babyboom because of the people being so happy it was over (celebrating in that certain way I don't have to describe further, I'm sure you know what I mean). Behaving like rabbits made the pop getting up to the usual levels again within one or two decades.

Yup the children are called "Babyboomers". Their children are called "Flower Children" and the kids of the "Flower Children" are called "Generation X". However I have no idea what the kids of "Generation X" are called other then "screwed". All I know is the "Babyboomers" and "Flower Children" have severely fucked this planet up to no end lol
 
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What I meant to say is that killing each other or ourselves won't make an actual difference. Like most creatures, we are "programmed" to become rabbits once a "predator" (that is ourselves in this case) has been slaughtering us.
So if we want to slow down the growth of the global population, it is better to do birth control and make a maximum of two kids per parent. Though ironically does this imply a massive growth in wealth of the poor countries; so even though families will get smaller there (like happened here too once life got better) they will pollute more.
I am not saying that poverty should not be got rid of, of course it should disappear were possible. It will only not make things better for the planet, as the burden of the wealth equals out the population control advantage. Yet, for the people there it will be better if their economies are getting at a decent level.

So let's fight poverty first, and meanwhile simply try to avoid throwing stuff away that still works.

And of course apply "the new driving", which basically means that one should get off the throttle pedal at a certain distance from stopping points like crossroads. This leads to less fuel consumption compared to the usual driving style, which relies much more on the brakes (and if you suddenly have to brake, you can still do so, so road security will remain the same). The "new driving" also saves your brakes and (I assume) tires and if you're lucky your kids in the back are less likely to puke (because of the more fluid driving style). Even Top Gear UK (while J. Clarkson does not believe in GW, AFAIK) advises the new fuel-saving style since roughly season 15 (I cannot exactly rember the episode in which this was discussed, it could also have been during season 16).
 
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then again all the poor ppl getting wealthy would help contribute to developing cleaner ways of doing things. research in solar tech (sterling engine anyone?), alternate fuel (for example, the USA, which is one of the biggest users of gasoline, has a massive reserve of natural gas. we just need to start using it... but then politics steps in), reversing desertification, etc. the more global participation, the more good for all. sadly we may see WWIII (if you don't count the "war on terror") before that.
 
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No matter their influence on alt. energy, it is better if they get richer. :)

(for example, the USA, which is one of the biggest users of gasoline, has a massive reserve of natural gas. we just need to start using it...

That is actually not a real solution; "natural" does not mean "organic" or "renewable" or whatever in this case. It only implies it is naturally occurring in the same way as e.g. oil and coal do (in Minecraft terminology, "it can be found in your world without the need to craft it"). It is not renewable and it still creates CO2 that cannot be regarded as "carbon neutral" (unlike biogas from dead plants, fruit remains etc., maybe). It may be a good temporary solution though, at least for the USA (the European reserves are already shrinking, AFAIK).
 

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ah yes, now the oceans are in decline rather than rising. lmfao.

edit: yes i know what the article intends, i am using a play on words. never believe the doomsayers. they are always wrong.
 

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Yeah maybe the religious nutcases and such are always wrong but a panel of experts convening at Oxford examining scientific data? I'm just not willing to take that bet. The signs are all there...believe what you want.
 

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Yeah maybe the religious nutcases and such are always wrong but a panel of experts convening at Oxford examining scientific data? I'm just not willing to take that bet. The signs are all there...believe what you want.

What of the scientists that argue against parts of the green movement?
 

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Yeah maybe the religious nutcases and such are always wrong but a panel of experts convening at Oxford examining scientific data? I'm just not willing to take that bet. The signs are all there...believe what you want.

scientists never make up data to obtain notoriety or further funding for their projects... remember when they said the BP oil leak was going to cause massive havok? they were totally wrong. the ocean ate up all of the light crude in a matter of months. lmfao people will believe anyone with a PHD after their name.
 
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The oceans are in a state of collapse. Just ask a fisherman at how much his catch has decreased over the years.

Humans have over fished the oceans, and since there is a food chain, you can bet that many other animals are going to be fucked.
 

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The oceans are in a state of collapse. Just ask a fisherman at how much his catch has decreased over the years.

Humans have over fished the oceans, and since there is a food chain, you can bet that many other animals are going to be fucked.

the oceans are not dieing. one report does not make something true.
 
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Only one report has been linked to, but I bet there are others too.
 

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Only one report has been linked to, but I bet there are others too.

no, this is the first report released by this group. notice no data has been included in the report yet so no 'skeptics' can examine it and make a quick rebuttal while the story is still running in the news cycle. this is the common pattern by the liberal media looking to turn us all into mindless zombies. there is no such thing as "settled" science. we are constantly learning about how are world works and how it changes. to create any sort of legislation over it is ludicrous at best and fascist at worst. especially when skeptic scientists, pouring over the actual data take issue and publish their own reports, are dismissed as nut jobs.
 
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the oceans are not dieing. one report does not make something true.

Seriously? That's your argument.

That report stated the god-damn obvious. There is less fish in the ocean now than there was 100 years ago.

And since the tiny bacteria and algae that are the food for many fish are very temperature sensitive, any change in the temperature of the oceans can cause the those bacterial/algae numbers to decline, which will cause the small krill to decline, which will cause the larger fish to decline, which we will fish to extinction.

I mean, can anyone really be that ignorant to ignore what is obvious. Screw what the scientists say, it's obvious that if you take away 100 fish (fishing) each year and only replace it with 90 fish (natural reproduction), you're going to get less and less. It's already being seen that it's getting harder and harder to find and fish Tuna. And it's not like they're small.

The same concept can be applied to CO2, if you increase the source of CO2 (burning fossil fuels, forest fires, volcanoes), and decrease the sink of CO2 (removal of algae, plant life) you are going to get more CO2. I sure as fuck don't want my kids having to walk to school wearing air filters because the quality of the air is so bad thanks to the ignorant jackasses of the world refusing to change.

This is all I can think of when I read some of these posts, I just hope that some of them are only being posted to keep the debate rolling and are not actually the real thoughts of the poster.

 

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how is this report obvious to anyone but the people who actually wrote the report? do you know how they collected the data? do you know if they ran the models in a test lab? do you know what variables they used to forecast? no, because that information has not been made available in the new stories about it. to simply believe this report because you read it is asinine. wait until we find out about how the data was gathered, the methods used, etc before jumping on their bandwagon. you will believe anything. stop being so gullible.
 
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Stop being to oblivious to what is going on around you! You can't accept it, because then it would mean that you would have to be ripped out of your comfort zone and change!

I don't need a scientist to tell me how fucked this planet is. Just look around you and see for yourself.
 
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how is this report obvious to anyone but the people who actually wrote the report? do you know how they collected the data? do you know if they ran the models in a test lab? do you know what variables they used to forecast? no, because that information has not been made available in the new stories about it. to simply believe this report because you read it is asinine. wait until we find out about how the data was gathered, the methods used, etc before jumping on their bandwagon. you will believe anything. stop being so gullible.

Because it fits the rhetoric they will follow anything. Both sides of the debate are guilty of this. I just follow the money and see were the BS begins. Liberal vs. Conservative politicians and the only difference is their corporate affiliation. They both have zombie followers who question nothing their media masters tell them and question everything from the other side. Long gone are the days of rational thought and common sense with working together.

MSNBC says Earth is doomed and have science to prove it.
Fox says the Earth is fine and have science to prove it.

Who to believe? Simple. Open up a history book and learn from the past. Its whats in the future.

Stop being to oblivious to what is going on around you! You can't accept it, because then it would mean that you would have to be ripped out of your comfort zone and change!

I don't need a scientist to tell me how fucked this planet is. Just look around you and see for yourself.

Really? Changes are happening but science can't tell you with any certainty that it will rain tomorrow yet they know why the planets environment is changing? I agree things are happening. You would have to be a fool not to see it. However be very careful who you lemming after to "fix" the problem. Remember the Earth used to be flat.
 
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no, this is the first report released by this group. notice no data has been included in the report yet so no 'skeptics' can examine it and make a quick rebuttal while the story is still running in the news cycle. this is the common pattern by the liberal media looking to turn us all into mindless zombies. there is no such thing as "settled" science. we are constantly learning about how are world works and how it changes. to create any sort of legislation over it is ludicrous at best and fascist at worst. especially when skeptic scientists, pouring over the actual data take issue and publish their own reports, are dismissed as nut jobs.

What I meant is that they are not the first scientists looking at the state of the ocean. Else the Great Barrier Reef would have been long gone (parts have been declared to be protected areas years ago).

Remember the Earth used to be flat
Myth. The Greek new the earth was not flat, and AFAIK they even tried to calculate it's roundness.
During the Middle Ages people knew the world was not flat, as sea-men could see water "disappear" behind the horizon while still being fine a few days sailing later. And they needed accurate maps, too, for their journeys. Unlike many other maps that often had a religious touch (to depict cities like Rome and Jerusalem as being very important, they were put in the centre of certain maps while God was shown near it carrying a globe). See this documentary (get to playtime 16:00): http://www.56.com/u28/v_NjAyODQzMjk.html
 
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Heres an article that kinda shows what I am talking about. We know changes are happing. However IMO people are taking advantage of it and quilting you into a product or service. Kinda like the snake oil salesmen selling you elixir to stop the small pox......

The Bell Tells for You
The Climate Crisis Hoax
Larry Bell, 01.05.11, 10:00 AM EST
On this subject, there's very little to debate.



I've encountered some folks who appear offended by the title of my new book Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind the Global Warming Hoax. Why do you call it a "hoax"? they ask. Why not refer to the matter as a debate? The reason is quite simple: A debate describes a discussion in which participants competitively argue opposing points of view that are assumed to be based upon honest positions.

A hoax is a deceptive act intended to hoodwink people through deliberate misinformation, including factual omissions. My book is about the latter. (And by the way, it can be ordered through primary vendors, and is currently being featured on "new releases" tables at 200 major Barnes and Noble stores.)

The central lie is that we are experiencing a known human-caused climate crisis, a claim based on speculative theories, contrived data and totally unproven modeling predictions. And the evidence? Much is revealed by politically corrupted processes and agenda-driven report conclusions rendered by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which are trumpeted in the media as authoritative gospel.

S. Fred Singer, former director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service and University of Virginia professor emeritus commented about these sorry circumstances in the foreword of my book, stating in part:

"Many would place the beginning of the global warming hoax on the Senate testimony delivered by James Hansen of NASA [director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies] during the summer of 1988. More than anything else, this exhibition of hyped alarm triggered my active skepticism about the man-made global warming scare. This skepticism was amplified when I acted as reviewer of the first three IPCC reports, in 1990, 1996, and 2001. Increasingly claims were made for which there was no evidence; in some cases the 'evidence' was clearly manufactured. For example, the 1966 report used selective data and doctored graphs. It also featured changes in the text that were made after the scientists had approved it and before it was printed."

Other fraud is evident through public exposure of e-mail files retrieved from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at Britain's University of East Anglia. Scandalous exchanges among prominent researchers who have fomented global warming hysteria confirm long-standing and broadly suspected manipulations of climate data. The communications also reveal conspiracies to falsify and withhold information, to suppress contrary findings in scholarly publications, and to exaggerate the existence and threats of man-made global warming. Many of these individuals have had major influence over summary report findings issued by the IPCC. Still other evidence comes from mouths of government officials, international climate summit organizers and leading science spokespeople recorded in candid public admissions.

Another lie claims that there is a consensus among climate scientists that a known man-made global warming crisis exists. Official statements to the contrary presented by more than 650 international climate-related experts who presented contrary official testimony recorded in a 2008 U.S. Senate minority report suggest otherwise. So do petitions signed by more than 30,000 scientists that have challenged IPCC's 1995 procedures and report representations. Those circumstances prompted Dr. Frederick Seitz, former president of the U.S. Academy of Sciences, the American Physical Society, and Rockefeller University to write in The Wall Street Journal: "I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer review process than events that led to this IPCC report."

This brings us to a third, and most dangerous, lie of all--a fallacy that compelling evidence exists linking "unprecedented" climate warming to fossil CO2 emissions since the Industrial Revolution arising from an atmospheric "greenhouse effect." Alarmists project such horrors as melting Greenland and Antarctic ice that causes oceans to flood coastal areas, increasingly severe weather and hurricane trends, migration of mosquito-borne plagues northward from the tropics, destruction of coral reefs, and yeah, lest we forget, those stranded and starving polar bears and penguins.

And what redemptive solutions are urgently implored? We must implement carbon cap-and-trade legislation; give lots of money to the U.N. to redistribute, and empower them to preside over world governments; abandon fossil fuel use in favor of heavily subsidized but assuredly abundant, "free," and "renewable" alternatives; and empower expanding government bureaucracies to protect us from free market excesses. These include the same agencies that declared CO2 a "pollutant" (something rain forests certainly dispute), and that listed polar bears as a threatened species (despite expanding populations), presumably to discourage public support for oil and gas drilling in ANWR.

Corrupt climate science, upon which such fallacies are based, presents incalculably vast economic and social consequences. It provides justification and cover for gross regulatory intrusion by the EPA, DoE and other government agencies into agriculture, energy, transportation and construction industries; escalates food, fuel and manufacturing costs through unwarranted mandates and subsidies for otherwise uncompetitive "renewable" fuels; provokes legislation and legal suits that paralyze vital fossil energy exploration and infrastructure development; drives drilling operations and other job-supporting businesses overseas; politicizes and subverts science, education and media reporting; and defrauds hardworking taxpayers who pay many billions of dollars for honest information.

Apollo 7 astronaut Walter Cunningham contributed a statement for my book that conveys deep concern about corruption of climate science in general, and within NASA in particular: He comments that "Those of us fortunate enough to have traveled in space bet our lives on the competence, dedication and integrity of science and technology professionals who made our missions possible...In the last twenty years, I have watched the high standards of science being violated by a few climate scientists, including some at NASA, while special interest opportunists have dangerously abused our public trust."

Clearly, most proponents of man-made global warming theory are very sincere, often well-informed, people. Here, honest debate based upon facts and logic should be openly welcomed, and nothing in the foregoing should be interpreted to suggest otherwise. Some, holding strong viewpoints on both sides of the issues, may be inclined to challenge base motives and affiliations of those who disagree, and responsibility for full disclosure of any serious conflicts of interest should be expected. In this regard, being part of any science community that depends on funding from biased sponsors (including government agencies and industries), doesn't make those individuals or their work corrupt. The vast majority of all science professionals are in that situation.

Yet isn't it remarkable that Al Gore, who has recently become extremely wealthy, has never felt obliged to publicly disclose his large stakes in green market industries through his Generation Investment Management firm, or in Chicago Climate Exchange cap-and-trade legislation interests? Would you trust a financial advisor who committed the same ethical breach?

Who stands to gain from the politics of corrupt climate science? There are many culprits, and they are becoming ever more powerful. Principal among them are certain agenda-driven federal government regulatory agencies; alternative energy and environmental lobbies; a captive multibillion-dollar per year climate science industry; cap-and-trade marketers; large, associated special-interest hedge fund managers; and yes, the U.N. and other organizations seeking global resource and wealth redistribution.

While it might be overreaching to bundle certain dishonest players within various categories into a unified conspiracy theory, many of these organs of misinformation clearly do appear to be joined at a common colon. Either way, the end results are much the same.

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I remember from school (history class) that after WWII, there was a so-called babyboom because of the people being so happy it was over (celebrating in that certain way I don't have to describe further, I'm sure you know what I mean). Behaving like rabbits made the pop getting up to the usual levels again within one or two decades.
But life was good during those decades--especially in countries that weren't war-ravaged. "Life was good" for numerous reasons that most likely wouldn't repeat after WWIII.
 

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What I meant is that they are not the first scientists looking at the state of the ocean. Else the Great Barrier Reef would have been long gone (parts have been declared to be protected areas years ago).


Myth. The Greek new the earth was not flat, and AFAIK they even tried to calculate it's roundness.
During the Middle Ages people knew the world was not flat, as sea-men could see water "disappear" behind the horizon while still being fine a few days sailing later. And they needed accurate maps, too, for their journeys. Unlike many other maps that often had a religious touch (to depict cities like Rome and Jerusalem as being very important, they were put in the centre of certain maps while God was shown near it carrying a globe). See this documentary (get to playtime 16:00): http://www.56.com/u28/v_NjAyODQzMjk.html

The Greeks up until the classical period thought the Earth was flat. However you are correct on the religious overtone revitalizing the myth far after that. Even into the 20th century in some cases........however thats not the point. As I said up until the classical period the most advance culture on Earth at the time (Greece) thought the Earth was in fact flat.

Oh and I didn't watch your documentary. No need to. Took art history for years. ;)

Heres a neat little article on it.
http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2010/04/flat-earth-theory-ancient-greeks-debunk.html
 
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