Bottlenecking

[Red_or_Dead]

..... err..... I mean Bottlenecking

Is there any true way (with preferably a 1 click-solution) to find out what part of a computer bottlenecks another?

(and please don't say WEI ) ... but, then again, is WEI a reasonable indication

There are a lot of factors to system performance, so what can give real world answers in a simple straight forward answer?

 

[silkstone]

..... err..... I mean Bottlenecking

Is there any true way (with preferably a 1 click-solution) to find out what part of a computer bottlenecks another?

(and please don't say WEI ) ... but, then again, is WEI a reasonable indication

There are a lot of factors to system performance, so what can give real world answers in a simple straight forward answer?

underclock each component in turn. if the underclock does not affect performance by a great deal then one of the other components is bottlenecking you.

On a side note, underclocking ram shouldn;t affect performance too much but cpu and gpu will.

 

[Red_or_Dead]

not quite a 1-click solution though is it

 

[Binge]

You can not determine a bottleneck with software. Software can not understand hardware limitations because there needs to be comparison data. Different equipment has far too many different ways to measure performance, so I would stop looking for a 1-click and start benching.

 

[silkstone]

not quite a 1-click solution though is it

nope

I'm sure you could benchmark the cpu and gpu independantly in something like 3dmark. but i don;t know if there are any guides around to match an ideal cpu score with your gpu score and vice-versa.

I can answer your question though - Your gpu bottlenecks your cpu.

The benchmark part of your sig made me

 

[Swamp Monster]

You can run Task Manager in the background while playing game and some program that monitors GPU load percentage, like ATI Tray Tools or whatever. I know that's not one click solution, but it's Alt-Tab solution for CPU/GPU/RAM

 

[Red_or_Dead]

nope

I'm sure you could benchmark the cpu and gpu independantly in something like 3dmark. but i don;t know if there are any guides around to match an ideal cpu score with your gpu score and vice-versa.

I can answer your question though - Your gpu bottlenecks your cpu.

The benchmark part of your sig made me

a single 5850 will bottleneck a 980X, yes i know, gonna change to 6970 i reckon

 

[silkstone]

a single 5850 will bottleneck a 980X, yes i know, gonna change to 6970 i reckon

the cpu would handlt CF 6970's without being a bottleneck in a lot of the newer games that support more than 2 cores, i would imagine.

a 5850 to a 6970 is a nice step, however a second 5850 would serve you better.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6970_Lightning/23.html

 

[Red_or_Dead]

prefer to stick to single card solution (single gpu)

 

[de.das.dude]

compare win 7 ratings

 

[Red_or_Dead]

(and please don't say WEI )

compare win 7 ratings

thank you for your refreshing and insightful post

 

[Mussels]

there is no one click solution, unfortunately. all you can do is mess around with various parts until you see the trend - EG, overclocking your GPU does nothing in a specific game, therefore, the GPU is not the limit.


and yes, bottlenecks vary per app/game - so its utterly impossible to say "X will bottlneck you in everything" because a celeron wont bottleneck solitaire, and a radeon 4200 (massive ultra bottleneck plus!) wont slow down office 2007 or flash games

 

[Red_or_Dead]

I think you kinda lost the plot a little bit there, and I'm not asking regarding my system in particular - my initial question has been answered I think, there is no 1 click solution but I think that is solely because of the CPU as it normally requires a BIOS adjustment to change the speed where GPU clocks can be done on the fly relatively easy

I don't personally overclock or go for multi GPU set ups (It' makes what little brain I've got hurt, and it hurts enough already trying to think!!!!!)

I was just curious as to "if" there was a solution possible, but it seems unlikely, it's all skeptical and "best guess" by comparison charts. There is no magic formulae - or is there? cheers.

 

[Mussels]

thats what i said - there is no easy way to tell if any one program is bottlenecked by your hardware - and if it was, it doesnt mean the next program/game would be.

 

[AsRock]

thats what i said - there is no easy way to tell if any one program is bottlenecked by your hardware - and if it was, it doesnt mean the next program/game would be.

True but there is tell tail signs.

There is some times but it's no one click solution lol.. Like for example lockups without frame drops can be a great indication of cpu lag in fact noticed it with a few games in the past.

Stalker was one game on my old 3800 x2 were the 2900xt was keeping up and the cpu could not handle it. Arma 2 is another were just overclocking of the CPU in my case from 2.8 to 3.2 will allow the game play at much higher settings.

 

[newtekie1]

There are a lot of factors to system performance, so what can give real world answers in a simple straight forward answer?

The answer is nothing can do what you want.

Not only are there a lot of factors to system performance, but different programs and uses are affected by different parts of the computer.

So for instance, a game might be bottlenecked by your Graphics Card, but encoding video might not use the graphics card at all so it is bottlenecked by your CPU.

 

[Jetster]

What about Futuremark 3DMark11

Doesn't it give you individual scores for most your components ?

 

[newtekie1]

What about Futuremark 3DMark11

Doesn't it give you individual scores for most your components ?

Unfortunately no, it only gives you CPU and GPU scores.