Why is PC gaming not as big as it once was?

[xenocide]

Very well, I stand corrected, CS:S reinvented nothing. But the series proves that PC is where the FPS genre was made, evolved, and matured. Consoles had nothing to do with FPS except ruining it.

Now people will argue the case for Halo which was essentially a dumbed down version of Quake\UT\etc. I can't wait until Second-Hand Sales become to the Consoles market what Piracy was to the PC market--A Scapegoat that is.

 

[Mussels]

bumblebee: the first FPS with regenerating health, was call of duty 2. sorry, halo copied it from another game.

(cant remember if #1 had health regen or not, sorry)


again, people just mistake 'first game to do X on console' with 'first game to do X'

 

[eidairaman1]

bumblebee: the first FPS with regenerating health, was call of duty 2. sorry, halo copied it from another game.

(cant remember if #1 had health regen or not, sorry)


again, people just mistake 'first game to do X on console' with 'first game to do X'

actually UT 99 had that capability

 

[FordGT90Concept]

And think about it: the reason why more and more games switched to a health-regen system is because placing heals all over a map is downright annoying. You never know if you placed too much or not enough. It's just a big problem all around that's been there since the first video games. It's actually quite shocking it wasn't until the late 1990s that they finally decided to go with the self-healing routine.

 

[xenocide]

And think about it: the reason why more and more games switched to a health-regen system is because placing heals all over a map is downright annoying. You never know if you placed too much or not enough. It's just a big problem all around that's been there since the first video games. It's actually quite shocking it wasn't until the late 1990s that they finally decided to go with the self-healing routine.

A large reason was because that system was part of the challenge. A Game where you can just hide and easily regain your health is significantly less challenging than one that treas health as a finite resource.

 

[Reefer86]

Ports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> end thread

 

[JrRacinFan]

I don't understand all that fuss about FarCry.

2004: 7 years ago, for it's time the graphics were amazing. I mean , back then Radeon x850's & 6800GT's were the norm for an enthusiast gamer....

http://techreport.com/articles.x/7679/8

Sorry, I don't see your point. I still think the graphics look decent in-game.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

A large reason was because that system was part of the challenge. A Game where you can just hide and easily regain your health is significantly less challenging than one that treas health as a finite resource.

Good point. It wasn't until more advanced AIs that would seek out a camper that regening could be used. They effectively go hand-in-hand. Early games had virtually nothing for an AI. Either they always targetted the player or they did something random.

 

[Drone]

http://techreport.com/articles.x/7679/8

Sorry, I don't see your point. I still think the graphics look decent in-game.

Well my point didn't change and I say that Xenus has better graphics, take a look

http://www.gamersgate.com/img/screenshots/DD-XENUS2/185332_68_medium.jpg

http://www.whitegold-game.com/files/Gallery//scr3/_m/WG_Akula.jpg

Xenus didn't have loading points (entire game was one whole giant location) and unlike farcry it had "save anywhere" system. And btw it was built and compiled much earlier than farcry, so no - for that time farcry wasn't the game with the most lush graphics. Yes it was much more popular than Xenus but being more popular doesn't mean being better

 

[mastrdrver]

The PC ruled the roost in game sales until one game showed up: Halo.

Halo is what sold the original Xbox and what got sales going for MS. PS3 never was much more then a beefed up PS2 that most people didn't go for. Xbox brought not only games for the consoles (because of sales) but also games for PS3.

If you check the stats (forgot who does that research), you'll see that the year before Xbox came out, PC game sales were at current console levels. A year or two after Xbox release, PC games sales dropped through the floor.

Halo sold the Xbox. Without it, we could be looking at a different world as far as sales of games (in general) go.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Well my point didn't change and I say that Xenus has better graphics, take a look

http://www.gamersgate.com/img/screenshots/DD-XENUS2/185332_68_medium.jpg

http://www.whitegold-game.com/files/Gallery//scr3/_m/WG_Akula.jpg

Xenus didn't have loading points (entire game was one whole giant location) and unlike farcry it had "save anywhere" system. And btw it was built and compiled much earlier than farcry, so no - for that time farcry wasn't the game with the most lush graphics. Yes it was much more popular than Xenus but being more popular doesn't mean being better

I have heard of Xenus, but that wasn't the point. Xenus was still a PC exclusive and for EITHER title for it's time, amazing. If you took my post as derogatory, it wasnt meant to be taken that way. Sorry I didn't add a "" or a "" but now I will

Carry on

 

[Drone]

I have heard of Xenus, but that wasn't the point. Xenus was still a PC exclusive and for EITHER title for it's time, amazing. If you took my post as derogatory, it wasnt meant to be taken that way. Sorry I didn't add a "" or a "" but now I will

Carry on

Don't worry everythings fine I mean Xenus could get more buzz about it but unfortunately it didn't. People said it's too buggy I didn't encounter even a single bug there lol. If it didn't flop who knows maybe it'd even get released for xbox but I bet it'd got butchered right to the bone because no way xbox could handle it. The game is really big, without loading points lol it's a whole city in Columbia it has day and night cycles and your protagonist can sleep, for example if you want a nighttime just select sleep until midnight (some missions require nighttime) and you can go anywhere and do anything. You can try to play this game it's pretty cheap and even for today standards it's pretty kickass (graphics and system requirements My point was that if there were more cool pc games like this even all the haters couldn't drag pc gaming down.

 

[entropy13]

she's saying you can't rent a console that cheaply any more, that era ended 15 years ago.

You mean it only ended selectively in certain countries.

Dammit Jim, why can't you understand? <shakes shoulders>

the video stores that haven't gone out of business no longer rent consoles out. maybe in the Philippines they do but not in Canada.

Which is partly (mostly) your fault, considering how consumption-driven you are, even though you're in debt. You in the general sense of the "first world person."


I guess Asia-Pacific is still the "best" place for gaming. We have access for games from both Japan and the West, we have gaming computers, you can rent consoles, you can play on arcades, etc.

 

[SkullFox]

Does a console play either of those games maxed out? I mean really, lets compare consoles play Crysis 2 on DX9 with low settings to a PC you want to play maxed out on DX11 for cheap, that makes absolutely zero sense. As I have said the entire time, stop comparing consoles to PC's playing the games at max settings, because consoles do not play maxed out.

man you are the one speaking about maxed out, not me... I made a PC that can run all games at 1080P and thats it!!

And what list are you talking about?

I was referring the the list of PC parts I made...

And I do care about monitor, simply because, I have a $650 TV and my PC monitor only cost $300, it's a massive difference.

Hell, I use the same Monitor for my PC and My PS3 so thats why I don't care about TV/Monitor difference

Hey you're from Mozambique! I sent you money via western union to get your rich uncle out of jail and now I see you buying video games with it?!? WTF! I think I've been had!

Drivers are easy to obtain and usually most devices today are just plug and play. Plug it in and your good to go. Also what's with the compatibly? Just make sure what ever game/hardware you get is Windows 7 ready or supports your OS and bam... your good to go.

yeah... right...
than you have graphic corruption on one game or your controllers don't work with a certain game or the game just randomly crashes and you have to wait a million years for a patch.
Face it, its way more likely for you to have a problem with Hardware/Drivers/Compatibility on a pc than you having problems like this on Consoles

Would've done you better if you helped your country out of it's debts.

LAN ? Internet ? And I believe most multi-platform online multiplayer games have servers that hold more players on PC than their Console servers.

LAN, Internet.... More computers... more cost... complex logistics
in a PS3 you can play with 7 friends...

i might just go back and think about that,but regardless, it's about subjective opinion and expectations.
we saw the original doom era, we saw counter strike era, and the half life era as well... we know how good a game CAN be. so when we see a game like Halo or Gears being touted as #1, we can't help but roll our eyes in disgust as it's really very bland compared to what could have been done with good sci fi story-lines and today's technology.
consoles gamers are used to crap. what are the best every console games? now measure them solely on depth and originality. and now compare that to the history of pc games.
even if it's 1:1, there were simply more pc games and so more were original unique and ... good.
and exclusivity and FPS are unnecessary modifiers anyway. especially without how many series started on pc and sold their souls.

can you give me PC games better than Metal Gear Solid 4 or Gran Turismo 5 or Final Fantasy XIII or Final Fantasy XII or MotorStorm?

surely you ment HD console(ps3) as i dont personally count the 360s upscaled mediocraty to be hd

Point taken

bumblebee: the first FPS with regenerating health, was call of duty 2. sorry, halo copied it from another game.

(cant remember if #1 had health regen or not, sorry)

#1 didn't have regen health... you had to get the 1st aid packs...

 

[1Kurgan1]

bumblebee: the first FPS with regenerating health, was call of duty 2. sorry, halo copied it from another game.

(cant remember if #1 had health regen or not, sorry)

again, people just mistake 'first game to do X on console' with 'first game to do X'

Looking around, it seems Tribes 1 did it first, which is November 1998, far far far before Halo. Either way I agree.

man you are the one speaking about maxed out, not me... I made a PC that can run all games at 1080P and thats it!!

Then why did you ask if that build can play those games maxed out? And you don't need a $200 processor or $300 videocard to play at 1080p, or $100 RAM (based off your original price list with no details). If you want to play at console like settings, you can build a much worse computer and still play at 1080p just fine. Like I said, most consoles are even frame capped to 30 fps.

I was referring the the list of PC parts I made...

The original price list only? Or the list you made in the bottom of your post (after you had already responded to me?)

Hell, I use the same Monitor for my PC and My PS3 so thats why I don't care about TV/Monitor difference

Some people do that, but a majority don't. I can think of 2 people I know that do this (in person). And probably 30+ that just them on separate tv/monitors.

 

[Shihab]

yeah... right...
than you have graphic corruption on one game or your controllers don't work with a certain game or the game just randomly crashes and you have to wait a million years for a patch.
Face it, its way more likely for you to have a problem with Hardware/Drivers/Compatibility on a pc than you having problems like this on Consoles

Graphics corruption ? I'd take a game with decent graphics and a very small risk of having "graphics corruption" rather than a watered down version with crap textures and no risk of corruption.
Game randomly crashes ? Aside from glitches -that even console games aren't immune of- It's rare for a game to crash under normal circumstances. If all the components are working probably and the sys requirements for the games are met any game has a very slim chances of crashing. Nearly all the game crashes I heard of happened because if a bad OC/system not meeting the requirement/ or even a bad HDD.
As for patches taking "a million years", I don't know where you got that from. Deus Ex: HR patch was released 3 days after it was released.

I agree you don't have that problem with consoles, but at what cost ? Dropping backward compatibility. Can you run FFVII disc on a PS3 ? Or a Zelda Ocarina of Time on a Wii ? I can still play the original Deus Ex and Doom on my PC !

LAN, Internet.... More computers... more cost... complex logistics
in a PS3 you can play with 7 friends...

To play through internet you'll need more consoles. And multiplayer games on a single console comes at the cost of splitting the screen. The only exception is arcade style fighting games. And the ones on PC can also be played on a single machine. SF:IV ?

can you give me PC games better than Metal Gear Solid 4 or Gran Turismo 5 or Final Fantasy XIII or Final Fantasy XII or MotorStorm?

MGS and GT are one of the few console originals that can still be called a decent video game.
As for Final Fantasy, jRPGs has been on consoles since for ever. There has been a few ones on PC, but the sub-genre is mostly console bound. even so, Final Fantasy has been heading for the gutters since Square merged with Enix. FFXII might have restored some of the former glory of the series, but it still far from reaching the levels of FFVI, VII & VIII.

 

[1Kurgan1]

Agreed, I don't like MGS or FF personally, but GT and Motorstorm are great. But as far as racing goes iRacing > GT. And I would say Dirt 3 is as good as MS, but it's cross platform. And FPS + RPGs are what own on PC, compare any of the Betheseda games on PC to console (modding makes such a large difference) or Bad Company 2 (soon to be BF3) from PC to console.

 

[xenocide]

I agree you don't have that problem with consoles, but at what cost ? Dropping backward compatibility. Can you run FFVII disc on a PS3 ? Or a Zelda Ocarina of Time on a Wii ? I can still play the original Deus Ex and Doom on my PC !

Generally speaking, when failure occurs on Consoles it means the system is dead and needs to be replaced--RRoD etc. I remember reading the hardware failure rate on Xbox 360's was well over 50%, which is pretty sad. The PS3 is not much better actually, but it wasn't nearly as high. So assuming over the 7 years the 360 has been out, you've had to replace it twice, you're left paying $600-800 on the same damn hardware over several years. Doesn't seem to great a deal to me.

As for backwards compatability goes; You actually can play any PS1 games on any PS3. You cannot however play any PS2 games on anything but 1st-Gen PS3's. Ocarina of Time is also available on the Wii Market\Arcade, but that involves buying the game again. One cannot deny the PC Platform is excellent when it comes to backward compatability, but you definitely have to work at it with most older titles.

As for Final Fantasy, jRPGs has been on consoles since for ever. There has been a few ones on PC, but the sub-genre is mostly console bound. even so, Final Fantasy has been heading for the gutters since Square merged with Enix. FFXII might have restored some of the former glory of the series, but it still far from reaching the levels of FFVI, VII & VIII.

FFX was the last real FF game in my mind. XII was a major disappointment, and XIII was laughable. FFXIII was literally interactive eye-candy. The story was trash, the characters sucked, and the gameplay was just bland.

 

[BumbleBee]

actually UT 99 had that capability

Unreal uses health packs? and I said pioneer not invent.

 

[erixx]

This thread finally needs the truth to be told: PC still rock because consoles do not have the needed keys, simple and clear:

 

[BumbleBee]

I can't think of anything funny to say about eHarmony

and Call of Duty 2 came out 4 years after Halo.

Deus Ex had health regeneration if you bought the augment.

Halo: Combat Evolved was the first FPS to remove the health bar or percentage all together and now it's a standard.

 

[1Kurgan1]

CoD 2 might have came out 4 years later, but Halo 1 came out 3 years after Tribes 1, which had regenerating health, and Tribes 1 came out 1.5 years before Deus Ex 1.

As far as health bars, do you mean in multiplayer? Because I remember playing Medal of Honor 1 and not seeing health bars. All of these games still have internal health bars anyways, you just can't see them.

 

[Drone]

Halo: Combat Evolved was the first FPS to remove the health bar or percentage all together and now it's a standard.

Halo does have health bars which can be replenished by medkits. Force shield recharges by itself

 

[BumbleBee]

there is a mode the PC pioneered in Unreal Tournament 2003 that is now standard. anyone want to guess what it is?

 

[Mussels]

there is a mode the PC pioneered in Unreal Tournament 2003 that is now standard. anyone want to guess what it is?

big head mode?