Batman: AC will not require PhysX card

[MxPhenom 216]

Just found an article on OCN that confirms that Batman Arkham City will not use Nvidia PhysX that will benefit from having a nvidia GPU like Arkham Asylum. You will get the same effects if its ran on the CPU kind of like Mafia II. This is good news for me because i am planning on getting a HD6950 soon nad was worried about the nvidia physx in Arkham City.

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[the54thvoid]

To be honest the Physx in Batman AA was dire. Yes smoke billowed when you walked through it and papers rustled in a slightly fake manner underfoot but when you can't swipe objects from desks (phones, etc) it makes the whole thing look so contrived and fake. CPU physics have always seemed more thought out and give more realism to the game than a petty afterthought.
Best example? Stand in a farmhouse in BFBC2 while a tank shells you. Beats the shit out of rustling papers

 

[MxPhenom 216]

To be honest the Physx in Batman AA was dire. Yes smoke billowed when you walked through it and papers rustled in a slightly fake manner underfoot but when you can't swipe objects from desks (phones, etc) it makes the whole thing look so contrived and fake. CPU physics have always seemed more thought out and give more realism to the game than a petty afterthought.
Best example? Stand in a farmhouse in BFBC2 while a tank shells you. Beats the shit out of rustling papers

Havok physics FTW!

 

[TheMailMan78]

To be honest the Physx in Batman AA was dire. Yes smoke billowed when you walked through it and papers rustled in a slightly fake manner underfoot but when you can't swipe objects from desks (phones, etc) it makes the whole thing look so contrived and fake. CPU physics have always seemed more thought out and give more realism to the game than a petty afterthought.
Best example? Stand in a farmhouse in BFBC2 while a tank shells you. Beats the shit out of rustling papers

Those are pre-rendered animations rather then real time physics like in Arkham. Big difference.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

I read that Batman: Arkham Asylum 2 and Arma III will be using phsyx. Those are the only 2 games that would use it in a future title. Did the developers of Batman: Arkham Asylum 2 retract the use of it? Because I thought I read they were using physx.

Another interesting thing was that PhysX V3.0 was suppose to fix the short comings of physx. If your source is correct then no game I know of will be using PhysX V3.0.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I read that Batman: Arkham Asylum 2 and Arma III will be using phsyx. Those are the only 2 games that would use it in a future title. Did the developers of Batman: Arkham Asylum 2 retract the use of it? Because I thought I read they were using physx.

Another interesting thing was that PhysX V3.0 was suppose to fix the short comings of physx. If your source is correct then no game I know of will be using PhysX V3.0.

wait there making an arkham asylum 2 along with arkham city? It seems they will use a older version of physx that will run on CPU as well if you have a AMD video card, but will be GPU accelerated if you have a nvidia card, but you will get the same effect on a CPU or nvidia card

 

[EastCoasthandle]

According to the source in the OP they are still using CPU physx. The only difference is that they won't be using the alleged improved 3.0 version. Just the older version.

 

[digibucc]

also, it won't require a physx processing unit, it will be cpu based physx

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Hold your horses...According to the source in the OP they are still using physx. The only difference is that they won't be using the alledged improved 3.0 version. Just the older version just like Arma III.

yeah but that version can run the same effects on a CPU. so people with AMD GPU rigs dont have to worry about not getting the affects they would with a dedicated card. I guess my title is miss leading lol

 

[EastCoasthandle]

I corrected my earlier post. The problem is that v3.0 is suppose to be more CPU friendly. I was looking into Arma III and there is no mention of them using v3.0 for that game although it suppose to be using physx as well. I was looking forward to seeing what v3.0 would offer but no one is developing with it in mind. V3.0 is suppose to fix the cpu problems of the earlier version of phsyx and make use of SSE, etc. If developers are still using the older version I have to question what motives are involved here? Since it's clear the link in the OP suggests that they want physx for the CPU only it makes no sense why they wouldn't use v3.0. Which IMO lead to the article to begin with.

 

[newtekie1]

yeah but that version can run the same effects on a CPU. so people with AMD GPU rigs dont have to worry about not getting the affects they would with a dedicated card. I guess my title is miss leading lol

You could do that with the original game, the only problem is that they put so much physics elements in the game it bogged the CPU down to the point that the game was unplaybale(largely due to the single threaded issue of the older PhysX engine).

All this means is that they've dumbed down the physic in the game so it runs accecptably on the CPU. You can look at it like "Yay, everyone gets all the same special effects" but really it is "crap, they just removed all the cool special effects".

 

[MxPhenom 216]

You could do that with the original game, the only problem is that they put so much physics elements in the game it bogged the CPU down to the point that the game was unplaybale(largely due to the single threaded issue of the older PhysX engine).

All this means is that they've dumbed down the physic in the game so it runs accecptably on the CPU. You can look at it like "Yay, everyone gets all the same special effects" but really it is "crap, they just removed all the cool special effects".

yeah i guess your right. how about they just go with Havok physics instead

 

[the54thvoid]

Those are pre-rendered animations rather then real time physics like in Arkham. Big difference.

Doesn't change the pointlessness of random physx interactions in Arkham Asylum. And the pre-rendered physics of BFBC2 still makes the game far more palpable than 'true' physics of physx.

I guess my point is, unless there is direct and intentional involvement of physx to create a truly immersive environment, it makes the rest of the environment look like background artwork as opposed to a real tangible environment.

Know what i mean?

 

[EastCoasthandle]

But will it stutter?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

But will it stutter?

probably lol! the physx when i played Batman AA were so buggy. When id play on High max physX the game would crash a lot! but when i ran it on Normal it was fine. I basically just said that Nvidia PhysX is a gimmick

 

[digibucc]

The problem is that v3.0 is suppose to be more CPU friendly.

that's great but:
when was v 3.0 released?
when did development start on these games?
isn't 3.0 basically an entire rewrite? meaning not easily compatible?

it makes sense they aren't using it imo.

 

[newtekie1]

yeah i guess your right. how about they just go with Havok physics instead

Problem is that Havok doesn't look nearly as good as PhysX does. The smoke and fog in Havok just looks like ass. There is no particle effect, just huge chunks of smoke/fog textures that move around the character.

that's great but:
when was v 3.0 released?
when did development start on these games?
isn't 3.0 basically an entire rewrite? meaning not easily compatible?

it makes sense they aren't using it imo.

v 3.0 was released pretty soon after Batman:AA, but the developers just re-used the engine from Batman:AA for Arkham City.

It makes sense for them not to use v3.0, but I think it is stupid to remove eye candy just because everyone can't use them.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Problem is that Havok doesn't look nearly as good as PhysX does. The smoke and fog in Havok just looks like ass. There is no particle effect, just huge chunks of smoke/fog textures that move around the character.



v 3.0 was released pretty soon after Batman:AA, but the developers just re-used the engine from Batman:AA for Arkham City.

It makes sense for them not to use v3.0, but I think it is stupid to remove eye candy just because everyone can't use them.

I think PhysX is a slowly dieing breed though. I mean less and less games are using it, however i do think that someone needs to invest in a really good physics engine and license it out or something. I mean we could get some awesome physics in our game if people focused a bit more on that then the overall look of the game or if nvidia didnt rip PhysX apart and make it a gimmick thing to sell their cards.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

This is good news for me. I don't have a physX card.

 

[TRWOV]

I just hope it can use my PPU.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

that's great but:
when was v 3.0 released?
when did development start on these games?
isn't 3.0 basically an entire rewrite? meaning not easily compatible?

it makes sense they aren't using it imo.

Version 3.0 was release this summer (June/July 2011 or so). Those into physx should have known that they were coming out with a newer version about a year ago. Although a complete re-write it still suppose to be compatible with current games.

 

[Steevo]

Those are pre-rendered animations rather then real time physics like in Arkham. Big difference.

Your right. Thats exactly why in CUDA whitepapers they suggest using the "precook" on any objects possible to improve performance.

 

[RejZoR]

To be honest the Physx in Batman AA was dire. Yes smoke billowed when you walked through it and papers rustled in a slightly fake manner underfoot but when you can't swipe objects from desks (phones, etc) it makes the whole thing look so contrived and fake. CPU physics have always seemed more thought out and give more realism to the game than a petty afterthought.
Best example? Stand in a farmhouse in BFBC2 while a tank shells you. Beats the shit out of rustling papers

And then you take an older CPU physics based Havok Physics game like Max Payne 2 where every little thing can be snapped from its place. Particles, debris and boxes were flying everywhere in this game and no one was bragging about some dedicated super duper physics.
It was simply physics enhanced game for everyone. It's really time for NVIDIA to cut their BS and give PhysX to everyone to enjoy. I mena you have to be mad to buy NVIDIA gfx just so you can get this faked "extra" physics.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

According to this interview with the technical director, it will use a physics card.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...e-PC-version-DX11-tessellation-and-more/News/

PCGH: Will the PC version of Batman: Arkham City like Batman: Arkham Asylum utilize Nvidia's PhysX API including support for Physics calculated on the GPU?

Ben Wyatt: Yes. Like Batman: Arkham Asylum, the PC version of Batman: Arkham City will feature realistic smoke, debris, leaves, and paper using GPU PhysX. There will also be features not seen in Batman: Arkham Asylum including clothing on characters.

 

[AsRock]

I corrected my earlier post. The problem is that v3.0 is suppose to be more CPU friendly. I was looking into Arma III and there is no mention of them using v3.0 for that game although it suppose to be using physx as well. I was looking forward to seeing what v3.0 would offer but no one is developing with it in mind. V3.0 is suppose to fix the cpu problems of the earlier version of phsyx and make use of SSE, etc. If developers are still using the older version I have to question what motives are involved here? Since it's clear the link in the OP suggests that they want physx for the CPU only it makes no sense why they wouldn't use v3.0. Which IMO lead to the article to begin with.

Arma 3 is defiantly using Phsyx but like you said we don't know what version. Just take the post for what it is as they do not say it runs as well as nvidia but it holds it own which can mean pretty much any thing.

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