Diablo III: No PvP at Launch

cadaveca · Mar 12, 2012

yeah, i'm only concerned with the monthly fee side of things. I cannot buy titles that require recurring payment, just personal choice.

AsRock · Mar 12, 2012

Rhyseh said:
Geeze what's all this pointless rage about? So Diablo III is going to be released sooner missing a very small part of the game, so what? It's not like they have axed the feature altogether...

DIII isn't a CoD game and there won't be a DLC for a major feature such as PVP. The patch will be released in due course and we will get to play D3 at the announced release day without a buggy, half-baked PVP system. I really don't see what the problem is....

This statement is full of so much fail I don't even know where to begin....

Well makers of COD games prefer to call their DLC's full games which only last a little over the length of a good DLC.

cadaveca said:
yeah, i'm only concerned with the monthly fee side of things. I cannot buy titles that require recurring payment, just personal choice.

I remeber emailing blizz a good 10 year ago if they were going to start charging for b.net and said they never had a plan to do so.. Sure they been taken over by another company which could mean it could start being monthly fee's. But can they just start charging you monthly fee's for as game you brought without it ?..

But if they did start i be another not playing multiplayer too as i am against paying $10+ a month for a game. Anyways not happened and there is no proof that it will ever start happening.. Just make sure you read the user agreement when installing see if it says any thing about screwing ya later.

Syborfical · Mar 12, 2012

Sadly this is how PC games go now days.

Starcraft2 was hardly a finished project. Compared to star-craft you have 3 campaigns and multilayer. Star-craft 2 has 1 campaign an multiplier the rest will come out as expansions.

I can see PVP being a DLC of some sort this way it won't directly compete against WOW.

FreedomEclipse · Mar 13, 2012

If they really did make PvP element into a DLC they would segregate the entire community. Similar to what CoD ELITE has done.

I prefer the PvP aspect of any MMO. PvE might be fun while youre still new to the game. You go out and you do a little exploring & Dungeon crawling when youre experienced enough. Ive done all that. but spending 2hrs lurking around in a dungeon killing bosses and other Ai run enemys just bores me to death or at least to the point where i wont participate in any PvE related guild trips.

PvP however presents more of a challenge for me and I liken it to a game of chess depending on how the game is, whether it be squad/team based, how many squads there are, what winning objectives are, and if you can trust your squad/team to follow commands directions drawn on a mini map. Its all about outplaying other players... Just because you might have the same set of skills as the warrior standing in front of you in a 1v1 doesnt mean that he will win the fight - Its all about how you use your skills maybe he just spams everything as they recharge, all you would have to do is interrupt key skills like self healing or skill that might put you at a disadvantage - ie knock downs.

you gotta play it carefully. but after a while you will develop a 6th sense and detect higher tier players just by the way they or their team/squad moves.

after that you become a hunter, and when you arent steam rolling noobs you are facing off against higher tier players which gives me a bigger sense of achievement then completing the hardest dungeon a game has to offer. after all, no one PvP battle is ever the same as the next and its because human players possess the ability to be pretty erratic and random Unlike Ai which is set to never run beyond its parameters.

So If games are gonna start selling Multiplayer as a DLC, then I just wont buy the game. Im not down with the idea of being charged twice for things or at least not for something that should come as standard with the game.

Maelstrom · Mar 13, 2012

I'd only be OK with it if the combined price of the S.P part and M.P part was $50/$60

Frizz · Mar 13, 2012

I just don't see it as being a DLC that needs to be paid for as Blizzard has always stuck with expansion packs. I don't care as much for PvP at launch anyway as I'll be busy trying to enjoy co-op with friends and fam. I am actually quite glad that they are releasing the game earlier because of this instead of delaying it until it is up to their standards.

I JUST WANT TO PLAY IT ALREADY!

AlienIsGOD · Mar 13, 2012

if i want pvp il play WoW, i signed the Annual Pass in Nov so that by the time my commitment is up, MOP will be right around the corner and i can cancel my sub if i wish. I want D3 for the co-op games and nothing more.

fochkoph · Mar 13, 2012

AlienIsGOD said:
if i want pvp il play WoW, i signed the Annual Pass in Nov so that by the time my commitment is up, MOP will be right around the corner and i can cancel my sub if i wish. I want D3 for the co-op games and nothing more.

A f*ing men. I'm so glad I'm part of the crowd that doesn't give a damn about PVP. If I wanted real player on player action I'll fire up Battlefield 3. Wouldn't bother me if PVP wasn't even included, I foresee it boiling down to flavor of the month compositions that succeed in competitive play, a la WoW, and that is not my idea of fun. I want Diablo purely for tearing through dungeons with my friends.

Easo · Mar 13, 2012

There will be no DLC, it will be a patch...

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 13, 2012

Syborfical said:
Sadly this is how PC games go now days.

Starcraft2 was hardly a finished project. Compared to star-craft you have 3 campaigns and multilayer. Star-craft 2 has 1 campaign an multiplier the rest will come out as expansions.

I can see PVP being a DLC of some sort this way it won't directly compete against WOW.

How many times do we have to say the PvP implementation will NOT be DLC? God its fucking annoying as hell how in the original article it states this:

The PvP component will instead be added to the game as a patch..."

But because one dumbass (or troll) said DLC, everyone thinks it's a DLC now and you have to pay for it WHICH IS NOT THE CASE! Also, there is no way in hell Diablo 3's PvP can directly compete against WoW. There is just no way in hell.

AlienIsGOD said:
if i want pvp il play WoW, i signed the Annual Pass in Nov so that by the time my commitment is up, MOP will be right around the corner and i can cancel my sub if i wish. I want D3 for the co-op games and nothing more.

That is basically what Diablo is all about. But one person went on such a bender about the PvP this has gotten completely out of hand.

Easo said:
There will be no DLC, it will be a patch...

This x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

PS. Yes, that is a LOT of bold.

DannibusX · Mar 13, 2012

You guys aren't looking at the big picture.

This is the first time Blizzard releases an incomplete game. Until this point, it's always been "It's done when it's done."

You can argue that Starcraft 2 is incomplete, but that's not necessarily true. Wings of Liberty is a very complete game. Instead of including all 3 races campaigns in the initial game and expanding on all 3 races with expansions, they work on each race individually. I'm not bitching, SC2 is awesome.

Blizzard as we knew it before Vivendi merged with Activision is gone.

v12dock · Mar 13, 2012

Why do people think the blizzard activision merger will cause blizzard to subdue to the ways of activision?
Last time I checked blizzard has made billions running things their own way.
Blizzard will not release DLC, they know better than to charge for patches...

Zubasa · Mar 13, 2012

AlienIsGOD said:
if i want pvp il play WoW, i signed the Annual Pass in Nov so that by the time my commitment is up, MOP will be right around the corner and i can cancel my sub if i wish. I want D3 for the co-op games and nothing more.

Actually if you want PVP you shouldn't play any blizzard games except the RTS'

PVP balance is something Blizzard fails at in WoW.
PVP in WoW is just a tagged on extra feature that is released after launch anyways, and the devs already stated that Diablo is never designed with PVP as a focus.
So I am happy that they don't delay the game further for a mostly useless feature. :laugh:

SlayerJC · Mar 13, 2012

DannibusX said:
You guys aren't looking at the big picture.

This is the first time Blizzard releases an incomplete game. Until this point, it's always been "It's done when it's done."

You can argue that Starcraft 2 is incomplete, but that's not necessarily true. Wings of Liberty is a very complete game. Instead of including all 3 races campaigns in the initial game and expanding on all 3 races with expansions, they work on each race individually. I'm not bitching, SC2 is awesome.

Blizzard as we knew it before Vivendi merged with Activision is gone.

But if they delay the game again the fans will go crazy (again). I don't care about pvp, i just want to play co-op with my friends like i did with Diablo II and Titan Quest. For pvp i can play wow/Dota/Lol...

Mussels · Mar 13, 2012

[H]@RD5TUFF said:
Then you didn't pay much attention to SC2, as it's missing 2/3 of the single player story. A "patch" is technically DLC. FAIL much ?

it is? so you wanted it delayd another 2-3 years so they can make it a 40-50 hour SP campaign?

hardly, they've done something called 'make sequels'

uber_cookie · Mar 13, 2012

uber_cookie said:
Smells like PvP DLC

Sorry for this post, obliviously some of you didn't get that this was a joke, as it clearly states PvP will be patch... :banghead:

Prima.Vera · Mar 13, 2012

Diablo III won't have LAN support either...

joyman · Mar 13, 2012

So long Blizzard and thanks for all the fish!

Ahhzz · Mar 13, 2012

mrw1986 said:
Bethesda seems to be doing just fine. I'm sure there will be DLC, but Skyrim is pretty damned awesome without it. They also allow modding. Maybe you should rethink PC gaming because you seem to have very little knowledge of it. What one or two companies do does not shape the entire culture of PC gaming.

As much as I'd love to completely agree with you, The Starcraft 2 debacle is more than enough to convince me that Blizz is not in control of their product as much as they used to be. I, too, am a LONG time Blizz fan, from the original Warcraft days, with my White and Blue Blizzard notepad still mostly unused :pimp:

, to my Starcraft T-shirt, and 5 years of active WoW subscription, AFTER 5 months of closed beta. They've shown that while they used to be a stellar Gaming company, SC2 gave us a preview of their new plans for eking more money out of each customer, and D3 just puts icing on icing on icing. While I don't expect that the PVP content will be DLC, it also wouldn't surprise me to see it, and other core mechanics/gameplay/etc as DLC from them.... :shadedshu I look upon the boxes of Blizz on my shelf, D1 and D2, SC... how much I wanted to enjoy the next evolution of them.... and I refuse to support Blizz with their new outlook on me as a Brood mare. (pun found

).

Prima.Vera · Mar 13, 2012

In the rhythm Blizzard develop games, it will pass another 20 years for a new Warcraft game...In 10 will have the last Starcraft 2 episode...

digibucc · Mar 13, 2012

DannibusX said:
You guys aren't looking at the big picture.

This is the first time Blizzard releases an incomplete game. Until this point, it's always been "It's done when it's done."

thank you! as i've said, i don't care about pvp. i never liked it - but it's a very unblizzard thing to do, and that makes me uneasy about where the company is. it's not the same blizzard that made d1 and d2.

v12dock said:
Why do people think the blizzard activision merger will cause blizzard to subdue to the ways of activision?

to subdue? or simply to follow? um, because they already have? money ruins everything. what do you think happened with wow and starcraft? they stopped putting effort in for a quality game and instead decided to milk consumers, and they are doing the same with diablo. this is activision's doing.

Mussels · Mar 13, 2012

whats wrong with starcraft II? all i see is whining you didnt get a massive gigantic game (three campaigns), instead of how its being done, split into three games.

its just massive crybabying, and seems to have no valid argument. the game has massive SP, epic MP, and is constantly patched and updated with new (free) maps put out all the time.

its quality game and one of the most polished i've ever played.

digibucc · Mar 13, 2012

it's got zero depth compared to previous installations. I was bored out of my mind with SC2.

it has nothing to do with splitting the game into campaigns or anything, it's simply not as fun as it should be. more time was put into making it easy for newcomers, making it easy for the artists - and then a crap ton of advertisement to sell it. the depth of the strategy simply isn't there. imo it is not on par with previous Blizzard releases, and is a sign of things to come.

i honestly don't see myself as being a crybaby, but thanks for that clarification.

Aquinus · Mar 13, 2012

I've enjoyed SC2 and I personally think it was worth it, but let me ask you something. When was the last time Blizzard sold functionality and didn't include it as an update. The closest thing Blizzard has to paid DLC is their expansion sets. They've always maintained and added a reasonable amount of content free of charge (if you exclude WoW's monthly cost.) I have never been upset with any PC blizzard game. Now, I can go on to say things about WoW, but after owning it since Vanilla was released, you just get bored with it and after calculating how much money I've paid into it, I still think I've got my monies worth but I think its time to jump ship on the WoW bandwagon because I've simply become bored with it.

SC2 has a lot of potential, and if you're not happy with half of the maps in it, why don't you make your own. The map editor is extremely power and honestly it allows you to change just about every aspect of the game.

digibucc · Mar 13, 2012

Aquinus said:
if you're not happy with half of the maps in it, why don't you make your own.

i knew that was only a matter of time. when they pay me a salary i will make content for their games.
As i already said, i was already underwhelmed after hearing style and gameplay changes, and this is just another example of blizzard doing something unlike them. that leaves less hope than i would like for the quality of this game.

what i don't get, is why everyone is so angry that a few people feel this way. you make it sound as though we're being unreasonable but YOU are the ones jumping down our throats for expressing an opinion.
our opinion isn't as valid as yours? good to know, i thought for a moment that this was a conversation.

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Mouse	Logitech MX Master 3
Keyboard	Logitech G915, GL Clicky
Software	MacOS 12.1

System Name	i7-PC / HTPC / iMac
Processor	i7 3820 / Phenom II 940
Motherboard	GIGABYTE G1.ASSASSIN2 / M3A79-T Deluxe
Cooling	Corsair Hydro H100i / Scythe II (HS only)
Memory	G.SKILL Trident X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600mhz / 4GB DDR2 1066 (@800) Corsair Dominator
Video Card(s)	GB Radeon HD 7950s 3GB / GB Radeon HD 7950s 3GB
Storage	2x 80GB Intel X-25, 2x600gb SATA, 1x1tb 5400RPM storage /1x600GB, 3x500GB,1x160,1x120 SATA
Display(s)	1x 27" Yamakasi / Vizio 42" HDTV
Case	Lian Li Lancool PC-K58 / Antec 900
Audio Device(s)	HT Omega Striker 7.1 / Onboard and HDMI from ATi Card
Power Supply	PC Power & Cooling 750W / 610W
Software	Ubuntu / Windows 8.1 Pro / OS X / PHPStorm / Gaming