• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

14 nm "Broadwell" A True System-on-Chip (SoC)

Joined
Feb 24, 2009
Messages
3,516 (0.64/day)
System Name Money Hole
Processor Core i7 970
Motherboard Asus P6T6 WS Revolution
Cooling Noctua UH-D14
Memory 2133Mhz 12GB (3x4GB) Mushkin 998991
Video Card(s) Sapphire Tri-X OC R9 290X
Storage Samsung 1TB 850 Evo
Display(s) 3x Acer KG240A 144hz
Case CM HAF 932
Audio Device(s) ADI (onboard)
Power Supply Enermax Revolution 85+ 1050w
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Windows 10 Professional x64
Just thinking out loud here, but what is the appeal for Intel to make PCIe lanes accessible to anything outside the PCH after everything does truly become a SoC?

They already have graphics, USB 3.0, Sata 6, etc.

I'm not trying to be doom and gloom here. Just thinking that outside of server stuff, it doesn't appear to me as if Intel has a compelling reason to make CPU PCIe lanes available.
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
1,850 (0.36/day)
System Name Eldritch
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 5800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF X570 Pro Wifi
Cooling Satan's butthole after going to Taco Bell
Memory 64 GB G.Skill TridentZ
Video Card(s) Vega 56
Storage 6*8TB Western Digital Blues in RAID 6, 2*512 GB Samsung 960 Pros
Display(s) Acer CB281HK
Case Phanteks Enthoo Pro PH-ES614P_BK
Audio Device(s) ASUS Xonar DX
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 750 G2
Mouse Razer Viper 8K
Software Debian Bullseye
Just thinking out loud here, but what is the appeal for Intel to make PCIe lanes accessible to anything outside the PCH after everything does truly become a SoC?

They already have graphics, USB 3.0, Sata 6, etc.

I'm not trying to be doom and gloom here. Just thinking that outside of server stuff, it doesn't appear to me as if Intel has a compelling reason to make CPU PCIe lanes available.

Easier bandwidth; it's like taking the middleman out.
 

faramir

New Member
Joined
May 20, 2011
Messages
203 (0.04/day)
Broadwell should be a tock, so it is a new architecture, not a shrink and like every Intel's tock it won't be compatible with the previous socket.
Haswell (tock) 1150-> Haswell Shrink (tick) 1150 -> Broadwell (tock) unknown socket :)

Actually Broadwell is supposed to be a Haswell die shrink from 22 nm to 14 nm.

Its successor architecture is supposed to be Skylake (14 nm), followed by Skymont (10 nm ?).
 

shellx

New Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2012
Messages
1 (0.00/day)
I'm trying to imagine what will be the layout of the motherboard with no chipset. The producers will just make sure to have something to differentiate the base models and top models. And above all names to be attached to motherboards. Up to date are based on the chipset name.
 
Joined
Dec 2, 2008
Messages
234 (0.04/day)
Processor i5 750
Motherboard EVGA P55 Sli Micro
Cooling Noctua NH-U12P
Memory G. Skill Ripjaws 4x4GB 1600 Mhz
Video Card(s) Msi GTX 465 Golden (flashed to 470)
Storage OCZ 60GB agility
Display(s) Sony SDM-HS95P
Case just sitting ontop of my mobo box
Power Supply Corsair HX 650
Software Windows 7 x64
just looking at the picture, and looks like every time we have a chipset architecture change we get a big boost in performance. so skip Haswell and wait for Broadwell?
 
Joined
Mar 24, 2011
Messages
2,356 (0.50/day)
Location
VT
Processor Intel i7-10700k
Motherboard Gigabyte Aurorus Ultra z490
Cooling Corsair H100i RGB
Memory 32GB (4x8GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3200MHz
Video Card(s) MSI Gaming Trio X 3070 LHR
Display(s) ASUS MG278Q / AOC G2590FX
Case Corsair X4000 iCue
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair RM650x 650W Fully Modular
Software Windows 10
just looking at the picture, and looks like every time we have a chipset architecture change we get a big boost in performance. so skip Haswell and wait for Broadwell?

I think you're reading it incorrectly. What you said is half correct, whenever we have a CPU Architecture change, we get a big boost in performance, not really chipset. So 22nm Haswell will be a big improvement, but 14nm Haswell will be a slight performance gain. Similar to how SB was a big jump in performance, but IB won't really be that huge.
 
Joined
Oct 29, 2009
Messages
2,666 (0.51/day)
System Name Old Gateway / Steam Deck OLED LE
Processor i5 4440 3.1ghz / Jupiter 4c 8t
Motherboard Gateway / Valve
Cooling Eh it doesn't thermal throttle
Memory 2x 8GB JEDEC 1600mhz DDR3 / 16gb DDR5 6400
Video Card(s) RX 560D 4GB / Navi II 8CU
Storage 240gb 2.5 SSD / 1TB nvme
Display(s) Dell @ 1280*1024 75hz / 800p OLED
Case Gateway / Valve LE
Audio Device(s) Gateway Diamond Audio EMC2.0-USB 5375U ($15 a long ass time ago), Valve
Power Supply 380w oem / 65w valve USB-C
Mouse Purple Walmart special, 1600dpi. Black desk mat
Keyboard SteelSeries Apex 100 / virtual
VR HMD Lmao
Software Windows 10 / Steam OS
Benchmark Scores It can run Crysis (Original), Doom 2016, and Halo MCC. SD LE 45fps
i can see the pros and cons to SOC... pros being power consumption and tdp, cons being the components that would normally be on a motherboard, if they go bad on the cpu there goes your cpu pretty much. overclockers may want to be extra careful with soc cpus.
 
Joined
Oct 26, 2011
Messages
3,145 (0.69/day)
Processor 8700k Intel
Motherboard z370 MSI Godlike Gaming
Cooling Triple Aquacomputer AMS Copper 840 with D5
Memory TridentZ RGB G.Skill C16 3600MHz
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 Ti
Storage Crucial MX SSDs
Display(s) Dell U3011 2560x1600 + Dell 2408WFP 1200x1920 (Portrait)
Case Core P5 Thermaltake
Audio Device(s) Essence STX
Power Supply AX 1500i
Mouse Logitech
Keyboard Corsair
Software Win10
Actually Broadwell is supposed to be a Haswell die shrink from 22 nm to 14 nm.

Its successor architecture is supposed to be Skylake (14 nm), followed by Skymont (10 nm ?).

Yeah, I got it mixed up because the change to SoC made me think it would have been a tock.
Thanks ;)
 
Top