Help for my new Desktops' parts?

[Jetster]

This website seems useful, however its time for me to ask yet another (most likely stupid) question:
If I say, chose this watercooling Kit: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltake-cpu-cooler-clw0217 It only looks like it has the bit that connects to the CPU and a box with fans? I thought that a watercooling setup required like 4 seperate major parts?

Thats called a closed loop. It comes assembled and is a fraction of the cost of a custom loop. And there are no stupid questions. Well there is but you havnt even come close
I would hold off on water cooling. Just get it up and runnig with the stock HS for now. Its best not to complicate things at first. Another reason to wait is later you will know more about what you want

 

[ne6togadno]

Would you be able to give me some pointers as to what I should buy? Not sure I'd easily find something that would fit on my motherboard also I'm uncertain as to how/where to install them in my case haha, Case Link: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_31&products_id=19722

As to ne6togadno's post, I am thinking of getting a second monitor not too long after I complete the build, I was also informed that having two Graphics Cards relieve each others stress as one does the X-Axis graphics and the other does the Y-Axis, instead of one card doing both. Also the RAM you recommended: G.SKILL Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DD... As awsome as they look and the fact that they have a better Mhz rate than my current one, from what I can tell they only run with Intel CPU's and I'm sticking with AMD

2? only 2? i bet 1080p. you wont have problem to power 2x1080p with single 7970Ghz edition (overall amd cards perform better on higher resolutions and multi monitor then nvidia's). hd 8000 and gtx700 series are expected to be released about Christmas so there no point to invest 2x cards when after 6-7 mount prices will drop and you could get 2nd card on sale or you can buy new generation card. i would advice you the same as jetster to invest some time in reading and you will get better picture on what fit best your needs. here in thechpowerup there are a good reviews with nice comparison tables so you can get good impression how different models perform. as for the stress for the card - dont worry about that. if your card is ok from the beggining (hopefully) it will be outdated long before it become old.
RAM: g.skill state that ram is compatable with intel cpus only because it is tested only with intel cpus. at the time when 2400 mhz models are released only intel has cpus with memory controller that is able to use that ram at full speed. there is no problem to run 2400mhz ram at 1866mgz (it isnt very cost efficient although in newegg 2x8 trident 2400 is cheaper then 2x8 trident 1866) but later when amd release new cpu with memory controller that is able to run higher speed ram then you will have to replace only cpu not ram+cpu. not to mention that you can downgrade mgz of ram and tighten timings and you will get better performance than if it run at high clock speed.
water cooling could become quite costly and if you dont plan to OC or your enviroment is 30-35°C+ you dont need it now. yesterday i found usefull link for watercooling http://www.overclock.net/t/226970/updated-water-cooling-essential-threads
as i wrote before better get good quality parts that will make you good base for upgrades.

 

[Lazermonkey]

When it comes to cooling.

You can get a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ or EVO and it will keep your CPU plenty cool.

Also, they are easy to install

I have one on my AMD FX-4130 OC'd to 4.3Ghz and it doesn't get over 52C running Prime95

 

[ConveX]

RAM: g.skill state that ram is compatable with intel cpus only because it is tested only with intel cpus. at the time when 2400 mhz models are released only intel has cpus with memory controller that is able to use full ram at full speed. there is no problem to run 2400mhz ram at 1866mgz (it isnt very cost efficient although in newegg 2x8 trident 2400 is cheaper then 2x8 trident 1866) but later when amd release new cpu with memory controller that is able to run higher speed ram then you will have to replace only cpu not ram+cpu. not to mention that you can downgrade mgz of ram and tighten timings and you will get better performance than if it run at high clock speed.

So are you saying that I can run the g.skill RAM, as it is with my AMD FX-8350 8 Core? Without having to make modifications to the RAM itself? If so I might just get that RAM Also, just to refresh memories, my motherboard will be the ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z, it says in its memory tab it can handle up to DDR3 2400 which is what the G.SKILL RAM you recommended says it is. So it should work right?

When it comes to cooling.

You can get a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ or EVO and it will keep your CPU plenty cool.

Also, they are easy to install

I have one on my AMD FX-4130 OC'd to 4.3Ghz and it doesn't get over 52C running Prime95

I have decided on getting an aftermarket CPU fan instead of watercooling as I have decided not to OC yet however if it comes to that I might just get a well-rated WC set and replace the fan I bought.
The CPU fan I believe I will get is the Zalman 9900 Max-B 135mm, I've seen some fairly good reviews and it looks good so I think I'm gonna go with it.

 

[Hood]

I'm starting to lean towards Water Cooling for my CPU, however I have no clue what I actually need for the system, (I am going to get this installed by actual electritions instead of accidently causing a leak myself) But could someone give me a list of the equipment I need? Also any affordable but reliable brands are appreciated, thanks

Electricians? They wire up houses. A PC technician would be more suited to your needs, if you need help. I suspect what you really need is time to familiarize yourself with the PC components market, to read a lot of articles and reviews (and forums!), and do in-depth research on any part you decide to buy. There's nothing worse than finding out (too late!) that some of your components are less than optimal, or that a much cheaper part would've worked just as well. I know you want it right now, but you'll be much more satisfied if you take your time and do it right. That's what I did, but I was on a much tighter budget than you, so I tried to find the "sweet spot" of price vs performance/reliability for each component (see result in my system specs). I ended up spending about $1600 on the core system, not including the extra hard drives, and I'm very happy with my system.

 

[ne6togadno]

So are you saying that I can run the g.skill RAM, as it is with my AMD FX-8350 8 Core? Without having to make modifications to the RAM itself? If so I might just get that RAM Also, just to refresh memories, my motherboard will be the ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z, it says in its memory tab it can handle up to DDR3 2400 which is what the G.SKILL RAM you recommended says it is. So it should work right?

yes it will work fine. trident has also nice feature that will be heandy if you go with custom airsink http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/GSkill/F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD/4.html

 

[ConveX]

I suspect what you really need is time to familiarize yourself with the PC components market, to read a lot of articles and reviews (and forums!), and do in-depth research on any part you decide to buy.

Thats alright, I'm going to give myself until around June 11 until I finalise what I buy (so I have time to be certain on what I'm getting.) So, at the moment I'm really just looking at what people recommend, the reviews on those items, pricing and performance in comparison with what i've chosen, I'm trying to be flexible in the websites I use as well, however I don't know many reliable Australian computer stores/websites.

yes it will work fine. trident has also nice feature that will be heandy if you go with custom airsink http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/GSkill/F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD/4.html

That's pretty awsome! I think I may just switch to these hehe, I was looking for the 4x4gb instead of 2x8gb configuration anyway, it was just very hard to find them in red and have at least the same Mhz as my current choice of RAM, these however have higher, their red and they are in 4x4. I think we have a winner for RAM Would you happen to know a site where I could find either that RAM cooler or one that would fit similarly? Or does the RAM pack come with the fan setup as well because I dont see it in its picture: G.SKILL Trident X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DD... Thanks!

 

[ConveX]

This is my current entire build (inside the computer case). But I'm wondering if it will all fit together, and I thought someone might like to have a look around haha. And lastly, I was wondering if someone would be able to tell me if there are enough power plug spots on my power supply to encorporate my stuff? It's been nagging me not being able to tell if I can fit this stuff haha, if I can fit them could you also include how many more available slots are free? Thanks

 

[drdeathx]

"LOL wrong fella.. FYI 3770K is $229 at Microcenter in store only. So, that would make 8350 at $109?"

I stand corrected

I was looking at the 3770S lol

Also, it looks like he won't be able to shop at Microcenter.

So now he has to explore some other options for his shopping experience.

Too bad....... MS has great deals!

 

[d1nky]

Too bad....... MS has great deals!

marks and spencers?

 

[Lazermonkey]

Too bad....... MS has great deals!

Going there today (St. Louis) to spend some money lol

 

[Hood]

This is my current entire build (inside the computer case). But I'm wondering if it will all fit together, and I thought someone might like to have a look around haha. And lastly, I was wondering if someone would be able to tell me if there are enough power plug spots on my power supply to encorporate my stuff? It's been nagging me not being able to tell if I can fit this stuff haha, if I can fit them could you also include how many more available slots are free? Thanks

Yes, your selected PSU has 3 x 6+2 pin and 3 x 8 pin PCIe power connectors, so it will handle up to 3 of those cards (requires a 6-pin and an 8-pin). The motherboard has 4 PCIe x 16 slots and 2 PCIe x 1 slots (but only supports 3-way SLi or CrossFire). The x16 slots can be used for any PCIe card (x1, x4, x8, x16), so with one video card installed, that leaves you 5 slots open for other expansion cards.

 

[ConveX]

Yes, your selected PSU has 3 x 6+2 pin and 3 x 8 pin PCIe power connectors, so it will handle up to 3 of those cards (requires a 6-pin and an 8-pin). The motherboard has 4 PCIe x 16 slots and 2 PCIe x 1 slots (but only supports 3-way SLi or CrossFire). The x16 slots can be used for any PCIe card (x1, x4, x8, x16), so with one video card installed, that leaves you 5 slots open for other expansion cards.

Awsome, so that handles my graphics cards what about my LED Cathodes, 2 extra case fans, and RAM fan?

 

[Hood]

Awsome, so that handles my graphics cards what about my LED Cathodes, 2 extra case fans, and RAM fan?

Any modern 850 watt PSU has plenty of 4 pin molex peripheral power connectors and SATA power connectors, and yours is no exception. LEDs, fans, and hard drives take only a few watts to run, don't sweat the small stuff, it's covered.

 

[ne6togadno]

That's pretty awsome! I think I may just switch to these hehe, I was looking for the 4x4gb instead of 2x8gb configuration anyway, it was just very hard to find them in red and have at least the same Mhz as my current choice of RAM, these however have higher, their red and they are in 4x4. I think we have a winner for RAM Would you happen to know a site where I could find either that RAM cooler or one that would fit similarly? Or does the RAM pack come with the fan setup as well because I dont see it in its picture: G.SKILL Trident X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DD... Thanks!

better pick 2x8gb instead of 4x4gb.
1. 2 ram slots are handled easier (faster) from memory controller. i havnt try it personally but there is guys in the forums here who confirmed that.
2. with 2 free slot it will be easier to go 32gb when you need it.

only 4x4gb 2600mhz kit comes with fan included but price in newegg is about 700 if i remember well

http://gskill.com/reseller.php?c1=3

corsair AX860i 860W is better psu then cm one. i realy like cm but corsair AX series perform better. it is more expensive but performance it top of the tops.

and skip led fans and light at the beginning. trooper itself comes with some led fans. first assemble all in the case light it up and see how it looks then decide whether you need more light and what kind they should be. you might buy windowed panel so you have better view on the lights.
and one note buying pc parts by color is as good as buying car buy color. performance and reliability are more important then color.

 

[ConveX]

Alright, I've made some changes to my list (major change is, I'm starting with just one Radeon HD 7970 (I plan on getting a second later down the track, but I'm starting with just the one monitor so no point in two for now))
The base cost now, I'm happy to say is exactly $2000, which gives me about $200-300 of room to make upgrades to stuff yay upgrades! I'm open to pretty much any and all suggestions

 

[d1nky]

post updated spec list.

 

[ConveX]

Heres my ENTIRE planned list

 

[Hood]

Great Build

Heres my ENTIRE planned list

Your new list looks great, all the parts should work together very well, and you'll have a system that will handle anything you throw at it. The only change I might make; for the price of the Zalman CPU cooler you could buy a Corsair H50 or H60 and you'd get better cooling and wouldn't have the huge air cooler getting in your way. Also less stress on the socket & motherboard (large air coolers weigh a lot, and their height makes them a lever that can crack your motherboard).

 

[Jetster]

I don't like the Zalman 9900 ether.

 

[ConveX]

Your new list looks great, all the parts should work together very well, and you'll have a system that will handle anything you throw at it. The only change I might make; for the price of the Zalman CPU cooler you could buy a Corsair H50 or H60 and you'd get better cooling and wouldn't have the huge air cooler getting in your way. Also less stress on the socket & motherboard (large air coolers weigh a lot, and their height makes them a lever that can crack your motherboard).

I don't like the Zalman 9900 ether.

Fair enough, the Corsaird H60 is water cooling for the CPU isn't it? How likely is it for them to break? (Develope cracks over time, leakage, etc.) ? If its unlikely to do that then I guess I may as well do it. Also will it fit in my selected case?

Edit: Or is it like a CPU fan that replaces the rear mounted fan and pumps air through tubes into a small case placed on top of the CPU? I watched a video on it but it didn't really elaborate haha.
Also I'd like to say thank you to everyone who has been giving me advice and support on this forum, it means a lot, I'm so glad I came here to discuss this topic with you guys because I have to say, comparing with my first build plan, this one is easily 10x better!

 

[Hood]

Corsair H60

Yes, it's a liquid cooling system, and so far I've never seen anyone complain about leaks. The H60 has a 5 year warranty (2 years for lowly H50). It will fit any case with a 120mm fan mount, usually the rear exhaust, but can be mounted almost anywhere if the hoses reach.
I agree, your build is looking sweet now, and an H60 will complete it nicely.

 

[ConveX]

Yes, it's a liquid cooling system, and so far I've never seen anyone complain about leaks. The H60 has a 5 year warranty (2 years for lowly H50). It will fit any case with a 120mm fan mount, usually the rear exhaust, but can be mounted almost anywhere if the hoses reach.
I agree, your build is looking sweet now, and an H60 will complete it nicely.

Thanks man So what will I need to buy with this? Like will I need to buy coolant, resevoir, etc? Or does it come with all that and I'll just take it to Centrecom and get it installed after I've built the rest?
Also my case says its rear fan mount is 140mm and then says (converted to 120mm) I'm not sure what this entails haha. Heres the link: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=19722

 

[Hood]

It's a sealed loop, coolant installed and ready to use. You shouldn't require any help installing it if you read the instructions carefully. It's as easy as installing a fan and a CPU heatsink. If you can use a screwdriver without stabbing yourself (or the radiator!) you'll be fine. As for the rear fan mount, obviously it can mount either size, like most modern cases.
I don't mind answering all the questions, because I was in the same position as you a few years ago, and I know a lot of stuff isn't obvious to the untrained researcher. It's all too easy for a new builder to end up with a part or two that doesn't fit, so asking questions now is best. It's a lot of money, and you shouldn't spend it until you're certain of success. You'll understand everything a lot better when the parts are in your hands and you start fitting it together. It's simple, really, and mostly common sense. You'll know when you're ready, and it won't be long.

 

[ConveX]

It's a sealed loop, coolant installed and ready to use. You shouldn't require any help installing it if you read the instructions carefully. It's as easy as installing a fan and a CPU heatsink. If you can use a screwdriver without stabbing yourself (or the radiator!) you'll be fine. As for the rear fan mount, obviously it can mount either size, like most modern cases.
I don't mind answering all the questions, because I was in the same position as you a few years ago, and I know a lot of stuff isn't obvious to the untrained researcher. It's all too easy for a new builder to end up with a part or two that doesn't fit, so asking questions now is best. It's a lot of money, and you shouldn't spend it until you're certain of success. You'll understand everything a lot better when the parts are in your hands and you start fitting it together. It's simple, really, and mostly common sense. You'll know when you're ready, and it won't be long.

Thanks a bunch I think now I have pretty much the best setup I'm likely to get for now, now to play the 'waiting game' until June 11th and then go buy all this I still have around $150 of extra cash for other little bits or upgrades, so whatever you guys can think of would be awsome ^_^