CPU running at 5+ GHz, 8+ cores and using DDR5 memory modules

[cdawall]

Should have read the Op he's basically saying why can't intel or amd make an Apu with it All ie 8 FAST cores and a gpu that makes discretes pointless for most.
For pcs though , consoles were only mentionened as the apus announced sound promising but a bit light for a pc.
It's technically do able imho but not commercially viable due to die size.

Heat output would be the part that really killed you. AMD is looking at 220w for the fx9000 the tdp of a 7970 isn't any lower. Now you are looking at 400-500w in a single package not to mention the wafer is approaching the size of an ipod. It might be doable but its not easily cooled nor is it feasibly produced.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Heat output would be the part that really killed you. AMD is looking at 220w for the fx9000 the tdp of a 7970 isn't any lower. Now you are looking at 400-500w in a single package not to mention the wafer is approaching the size of an ipod. It might be doable but its not easily cooled nor is it feasibly produced.

That's what I said not commercially viable.

 

[Felipe.deleon]

100-500% improvemet from one generation to another? I dont think that has ever happened, nor will it happen.

I think it will...
Delta6326 posted Crucial.com - Crucial DDR4 coming soon!

Crucial is saying that Next-gen DDR4 memory will be 2x fast compared to DDR3, for me that is 100% over one generation.
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As I wrote i expected a chip like that to Q4 2014 and i'm not crazy thinking about it, for me is very possible, no one can really say how it will be, i believe it will be a chip 5+ Ghz with 8+ cores and a more advanced memory module don't now if ddr4, ddr5, Gddr5 or something call FRR189 , and that chip will have a great IGPU integrated to it.

My point of view is like this:

They already can making 16 core in the same space that they make a 8 core the example is the Opteron 6000 family 16 core's is in the the same Dye size of a FX-8000 8 core's family, i know you can't compare those two but in term of space i will. Don't now how they can fit that in the same space, but they have the technology, this CPU's using 32 nm technology is expected to 2014 for the 16 nm technology be in use. TSMC 16nm FinFET to enter mass production within one year after 20nm ramp-up, says Chang

So using this 16 nm technology or something link that, improving the FX-9000 family a 5+ Ghz family (for it consume less energy) combined to the Opteron 6000 family a 16 core family, plus making space to put in a really good IGPU and using the next memory module technology to feed it all, I believe i will see that crazy, expensive and energy consuming chip between 2014 and 2015, and it will not be expensive and energy consuming.


For those that say it is not commercially viable, yes today it is not, but for me a 1000 VGA is not either and we all see one be brought to sale, and all their buyers satisfied even at this price Nvidia surprised the Titan outsold the year-old GTX 690, so if a 1000 CPU and 1000 memory and a 1000 MB be brought to sale it will have buyers...

I wanted is something like this friendly war between AMD and Nvidea on the GPU world, happening on the CPU world between AMD and Intel or any other company fighting for the number one spot.


So explain a little better my thoughts, what i really what to now is...

Do you believe a chip like that is possible? if yes when and what technology's it will use?

I know i write too much at the same time is because i don't have much internet time were i leave, and form my writing errors, i never have a english teacher born very far away from any english speaking country and still live far away.

 

[cdawall]

DDR4 won't be twice as fast right out of the box. Clock speed and bandwidth are a fickle thing it might be 2100mhz but at what timings. As for the 16 core opterons go find a picture of them they have a pair of dies on them with a hypertransport bus onboard to interlink them. The physical chip size is double what you would find in a desktop.

Oh and 2133mhz DDR3 1.2v modules exist now http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185397

You will not see a 5 GHz octacore with am onboard high end GPU anytime soon. Keep dreaming.

 

[Felipe.deleon]

DDR4 won't be twice as fast right out of the box. Clock speed and bandwidth are a fickle thing it might be 2100mhz but at what timings. As for the 16 core opterons go find a picture of them they have a pair of dies on them with a hypertransport bus onboard to interlink them. The physical chip size is double what you would find in a desktop.

Oh and 2133mhz DDR3 1.2v modules exist now http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185397

You will not see a 5 GHz octacore with am onboard high end GPU anytime soon. Keep dreaming.

yes i will see it, the industry is going to this APU thing.

about opterons size i don't now much but the TPU CPU data base is this:

Opteron 6282 SE Die Size: 316 mm²

AMD FX-8350 Die Size: 315 mm²

for me the same size?

 

[cdawall]

It has two dies

huge size difference

and you wont see ANYTHING on the mainstream side with that large of a die size coupling something like a 7970 and FX9000 together there is not cooling available nor is there a need. Maybe a couple years down the road, but right now they can barely get a midrange CPU/GPU mated together and keep a reasonable TDP.

 

[Aquinus]

I think it will...
Delta6326 posted Crucial.com - Crucial DDR4 coming soon!

Do you know how long JEDEC has been working on the DDR4 spec? They started working on the DDR4 spec in 2005. It's just getting released in the near future. We're talking 8 years of research and development. Also that graph isn't accurate because it only specifies JEDEC spec speeds. DDR3 already achieves 2133Mhz and higher and most CPUs these days can't even take full advantage of it, so I don't see where more memory performance is really going to help us as far as CPU speed is concerned. Storing data is a much different animal than the CPU itself. In fact the trend that isn't shown here is that with every revision of DDR, less and less of the circuitry inside a DIMM is actually storing data and there is more control and logic circuitry now than there is memory.

yes i will see it, the industry is going to this APU thing.

about opterons size i don't now much but the TPU CPU data base is this:

Opteron 6282 SE Die Size: 316 mm²

AMD FX-8350 Die Size: 315 mm²

for me the same size?

You missed how the Opteron 6282 SE has twice as many transistors. I'm also pretty sure that the Opteron 6282 is a two-die CPU. The two L3 caches is a dead giveaway.

It has two dies

http://img.techpowerup.org/130610/Capture005.jpg

http://di1-2.shoppingshadow.com/ima...pteron+sixteen+core+processor+model+6282+.jpg

http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=amd_fx8350_visherabdver2&image=amd_vishera_open_med

huge size difference

and you wont see ANYTHING on the mainstream side with that large of a die size coupling something like a 7970 and FX9000 together there is not cooling available nor is there a need. Maybe a couple years down the road, but right now they can barely get a midrange CPU/GPU mated together and keep a reasonable TDP.

edit: You got to it before I did.

 

[Ephremius]

I would like to see amd release an itx version of a ps4 8 cores, 8gb gddr5 and a good APU this could be the basis of the next steambox.

Or just buy the PS4 and login to steam through PS Store... PS3 lets you login to steam, I am sure PS4 will as well.