Haswell or Ivy Bridge - June 2013

[Jack1n]

I've got dual fans on my NH-D14 (it came with them) and at the slower speed it's whisper quiet. Well worth having a Noctua.



No, Haswell has a slightly faster IPC, 5-10% depending on task.

Which one overclocks better I'd have to rely on reviews and user's experiences. IB might indeed overclock a bit better due to the heat issue and therefore give better performance than Haswell when overclocked. I certainly don't want a heat monster in my rig, either.

Both Ivy and haswell produce less HEAT than sandy,the problem is not with heat,its with the Temperature which is higher due to the lid not being solder and also because the IGPU take more space on the die = less contact area for the cores with the IHS,but the cores themselves on ivy/haswell produce less heat.

 

[Tonduluboy]

i bought these when haswell was released.

ASUS Z87-A (Cheap, the overclock site review managed to reach 4.7 Ghz stable using this mobo)
i7-4770k

Additional $$$ use to buy better GPU.

 

[qubit]

Both Ivy and haswell produce less HEAT than sandy,the problem is not with heat,its with the Temperature which is higher due to the lid not being solder and also because the IGPU take more space on the die = less contact area for the cores with the IHS,but the cores themselves on ivy/haswell produce less heat.

Yes, you're technically correct.

Having said that, they get hotter or have more heat buildup due to that TIM on the heatspreader, just to confuse everything, lol. It's not surprising that people get confused between heat and temperature.

I'd love to see how an IB or Haswell performs with no IGP and a soldered heatspreader. I bet the overclocking performance of IB at least, would be very good, easily beating SB.

 

[Jstn7477]

Both are a tossup as far as overclocking goes. I run my 3770Ks at 4.3GHz 1.18v and my 4770K runs at 4300 core/4200 cache at around 1.15v for both (with slightly increased VCCSA, DIO and AIO voltages). My vote is Haswell as it has some improvements as far as instructions and branch prediction go along with a nicer platform. No sense in going with LGA 1155 now that it is going to go the way of the dodo when LGA 1150 should get the Haswell refresh next year. Who gives a crap if it overclocks a little less, as both have diminishing returns after about 4.2/4.3 GHz unless you got lucky.

 

[Jack1n]

Yes, you're technically correct.

Having said that, they get hotter or have more heat buildup due to that TIM on the heatspreader, just to confuse everything, lol. It's not surprising that people get confused between heat and temperature.

I'd love to see how an IB or Haswell performs with no IGP and a soldered heatspreader. I bet the overclocking performance of IB at least, would be very good, easily beating SB.

Well considering the fact that Ivy also uses cheap TIM for its lid and also has a rather large IGPU i figured it would be a no brainer to go for haswell.
If you want to see how well Ivy performs without an igpu and a soldered lid,take a closer look at the 4820k when its released.

 

[qubit]

Well considering the fact that Ivy also uses cheap TIM for its lid and also has a rather large IGPU i figured it would be a no brainer to go for haswell.
If you want to see how well Ivy performs without an igpu and a soldered lid,take a closer look at the 4820k when its released.

Yes, I'll be reading about "Haswell-E" with interest.

 

[Jack1n]

Yes, I'll be reading about "Haswell-E" with interest.

Ivy-E*,although Haswell-E IS alot more interesting.

 

[Kursah]

Well I am going to stay hopeful I luck out and still have decent OC-ability. Honestly 4.2-4.6 seems realistic...and I am not aiming for insane OC's. I go for a happy medium where voltage stays acceptable along with temps and performance. After so far the performance isn't worth it, and that's where I may try to get messing around but settle for less for the sake of the reasons listed prior and also major is stability.

This i5-760/P55 build has been solid. I had to fix a few bent pins on the MB socket when I got it so it'd read all my memory but beyond that, I've had no issues and attained 4GHz with little effort. The Xig cooler keeps it in low-mid 60's load. Been some good years with this build and I'm sure even if I have trouble hitting 4.2-4.3 that it'll be something that still performs for my needs for the next several years.

I hope anyone that searches for this thread looking for answers finds them, and I thank eveyrone that has posted here thus far. These are the kinds of threads I searched for, and found few of. Great information, best forum on the web that's why I keep coming back here! Now cross your damn fingers I'll have good luck with OC's on Air with Haswell!

 

[Jack1n]

Just keep in mind that you might need some tweaking before you reach a good OC result,Haswell introduced some new tweaking options such as uncore and ring voltage.

 

[Kursah]

Ya I've been reading articles, threads and watching videos. Going for my Q9650/P45 OC setup to the i5-760/P55 brought some changes and challenges in it's own rights. But it appears going to the i7-4770k/Z87 is going to be even more-so. Bring it!

If the next newest and bestest thing were too easy, it'd be boring. This possibility of a crap clocking chip brings on a lot more excitement and tension to what would otherwise be just another upgrade...at least for me. That and I feel pretty good about what I would say is a realistic OC goal of 4.2-4.6. Most likely in the lower end of that spectrum with the air cooler on there...but going with the NH-U14S I should be at least acceptable.

I will do my best to bring the info I collect back to this thread! If anyone is doing an IB build instead of Haswell right now, or just did, please donate! Let's make one of the really good thread for researchers out there!

 

[qubit]

This possibility of a crap clocking chip brings on a lot more excitement and tension to what would otherwise be just another upgrade...at least for me.

I like this bit especially. Don't nothin' faze you dude!

If nothing else, you end up with a platform with better and more up to date features than the old SB and that little bit more longevity before it really needs another upgrade.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I'm building next month, going for a haswell, I5 4670k and the msi gd65 gaming board.

 

[Kursah]

Nice! Brings me back to the days when you talked me into an e6300 and an Asus P5Q Deluxe so I could hit that 500FSB to attain 3.5Ghz iirc! I'll never forget that or your help with that epic build! The damn buffalo firestix ddr2 was repeated garbage tho!

Looking forward to hearing about your build and your OC's with it! Hope you get a golden clocker tigger! Ya gonna go air cooled? I considered the gd65 gaming board, but the money saved from Newegg's sale (save $100 on certain combos) and the research I did the MSI board was a gd45 and compared to the Asus ans Asrock boards didn't seem as appealing and it would've went over budget.

 

[HammerON]

Kurash - Check this thread out for information regarding over clocking Haswell
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185344

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Nice! Brings me back to the days when you talked me into an e6300 and an Asus P5Q Deluxe so I could hit that 500FSB to attain 3.5Ghz iirc! I'll never forget that or your help with that epic build! The damn buffalo firestix ddr2 was repeated garbage tho!

Looking forward to hearing about your build and your OC's with it! Hope you get a golden clocker tigger! Ya gonna go air cooled? I considered the gd65 gaming board, but the money saved from Newegg's sale (save $100 on certain combos) and the research I did the MSI board was a gd45 and compared to the Asus ans Asrock boards didn't seem as appealing and it would've went over budget.

Had some good times me and you in the past bud, it is really good to see you back. My e6300 oc is in my sig, what a awesome cpu/board/ram combo that was. The guy i sold it to still has it.

I'm not sure if I'm going air or a aio water cooler yet, I'll see next month.

 

[Kursah]

Kurash - Check this thread out for information regarding over clocking Haswell
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185344

Yep, I have had a tab open on that thread for a few days now. Very good one to read through and I can't wait to be a part of it, donate my first boot voltages and OC results under the NH-U14S. What I hope to show with this thread is the options someone has at this current point in time. I wish I had enough money to do two builds to complete this thread and show the possible results of going both directions. From a value, OC and budget standpoint, IB may be the way to go...but with current sales, OC as a lesser priority or higher challenge, and the new technology and platform makes Haswell a very tempting option that many should seriously consider.

I agree it's crap with Intel no longer using solder and using crap TIM. I don't plan to delid my CPU, but I do plan on getting the Intel "in case shit happens while you OC" warranty for $25.

Tigger, ya those were the days. Compared to my P4 630 that didn't OC as well the first gen Core 2 that you guided me in was an amazing build and has since hooked me into overclocking much more than I ever had been in the decade prior. It's good to be back and to see so many familiar faces around! This is still the best place to be on the web, I never plan on leaving...life may just make me step away here and there.



EDIT: Well Tigger, take a serious look at the Noctua NH-U14S or even the D14 ( I think?).. They keep up with a lot of AIO solutions within 1-2C depending on circumstances. Though they may need to use 2 fans...but fwir it seems the U14S even with a single fan can keep up or relatively close to 240mm AIO solutions. I thought about going that route, but I've always ran air on my personal builds and it adds another element of challenge and a lesser element of failure and maintenance. Keep me posted on what direction you go, looking forward to seeing what happens!

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Yep, I have had a tab open on that thread for a few days now. Very good one to read through and I can't wait to be a part of it, donate my first boot voltages and OC results under the NH-U14S. What I hope to show with this thread is the options someone has at this current point in time. I wish I had enough money to do two builds to complete this thread and show the possible results of going both directions. From a value, OC and budget standpoint, IB may be the way to go...but with current sales, OC as a lesser priority or higher challenge, and the new technology and platform makes Haswell a very tempting option that many should seriously consider.

I agree it's crap with Intel no longer using solder and using crap TIM. I don't plan to delid my CPU, but I do plan on getting the Intel "in case shit happens while you OC" warranty for $25.

Tigger, ya those were the days. Compared to my P4 630 that didn't OC as well the first gen Core 2 that you guided me in was an amazing build and has since hooked me into overclocking much more than I ever had been in the decade prior. It's good to be back and to see so many familiar faces around! This is still the best place to be on the web, I never plan on leaving...life may just make me step away here and there.



EDIT: Well Tigger, take a serious look at the Noctua NH-U14S or even the D14 ( I think?).. They keep up with a lot of AIO solutions within 1-2C depending on circumstances. Though they may need to use 2 fans...but fwir it seems the U14S even with a single fan can keep up or relatively close to 240mm AIO solutions. I thought about going that route, but I've always ran air on my personal builds and it adds another element of challenge and a lesser element of failure and maintenance. Keep me posted on what direction you go, looking forward to seeing what happens!

I'm looking forward to getting my hands dirty again, so to speak. I did enjoy those old days myself, we had some fun, and some nice competitions, remember the science mark thread? with everyone trying to beat everyone else.

I will let you know what I do though.

 

[Kursah]

Well I finally found time to slap my Haswell parts together in my tower. Loving it so far, but not able to OC as I'm awaiting the cooler. I was gonna go with the Noctua U12S...but decided to get the U14S and the 12 had already shipped...it's in the B/S/T section if anyone wants it before I ship it back...I really wanna keep it but I have no reason to at this point and since I'm not a reviewer no need in me doing comparisons several others have already done.

But the system is sure snappy...between Haswell and the SSD man it's just fast...at...everything. The GTX770 runs quiet and cool. Turbos past 1200 core.

I am eager to OC the CPU and see if I got a good clocker or not..kind of exciting that I don't know still. Cooler should be here by Saturday. I still have to finish my cable management as I'm going to use the MB fan headers to power the case fans instead of 12v 4-pin adapters that I'm currently using.

With the heatwave up here things have been very warm but so far on the stock cooler I haven't seen over 70C yet...though I'm not always watching nor running prime95 or aida64 stress.

More to come!

 

[radrok]

Congrats, let us see some nice low volts overclocks!

 

[springs113]

Good to know you saw the light lol.

 

[Kursah]

Been uber busy but have had some time to mess around. Got the Noctua U14S cooler slapped on, and it's a sweet piece of cooling hardware for sure! I have been playing around with OC's ranging from 4.2 @ 1.20v to 4.4 @ 1.30v. Working on making sure things are stable, haven't had time to spend nailing down final settings and voltages. But I will say OC-ing this Haswell has been more challenging than the Core2's and i5's I've OC'd in the past. My VID is average at 1.072v, and my CPU isn't a clocking monster by any means...for many it'd be disappointing I'm sure. I'm pretty happy so far...the performance at stock was already noticeably better than my i5-760 @ 4.0GHz. And running 4.2+ on this 4770K has been entertaining!

I am learning a lot and am VERY happy with my purchase. I did buy the Intel $25 OC insurance so we're good there. I will say this chip has some hoooottt temps. Even with my monster air cooler which will let the cores idle in the lower 30's, as soon as I run wPrime or whatever, temps instantly shoot up to the 60's and 70's before leveling out.

Next thing, Crazyeyesreaper made a comment about cooler tower orientation and Haswell and claims that there is some untapped potential on cooling performance even if only 1 degree C. He says that using the cooler like = will be more effective than the standard || orientation. Mine is in standard, but for years prior I ran how he suggested as I assumed it would be more effective. Especially with my PC case the sadly discontinued Lian Li Lancool PC-K62, as it has 1 rear 120mm and 2 top 140mm exhaust fans that keep the CPU heat on constant evacuation. Sadly their MB tray CPU hole is offset and too small meaning I have to partially remove my darn MB to adjust the orientation of my large CPU cooler. I went with the standard orientation to NOT cover my memory DIMMS, but these G.Skill Snipers have me confident in their performance so I think I will try some tests of my own and report back here and in the Haswell OC Clubhouse.

Who else has recently jumped onto Haswell? What's your plans? Tigger did ya get setup yet?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Been uber busy but have had some time to mess around. Got the Noctua U14S cooler slapped on, and it's a sweet piece of cooling hardware for sure! I have been playing around with OC's ranging from 4.2 @ 1.20v to 4.4 @ 1.30v. Working on making sure things are stable, haven't had time to spend nailing down final settings and voltages. But I will say OC-ing this Haswell has been more challenging than the Core2's and i5's I've OC'd in the past. My VID is average at 1.072v, and my CPU isn't a clocking monster by any means...for many it'd be disappointing I'm sure. I'm pretty happy so far...the performance at stock was already noticeably better than my i5-760 @ 4.0GHz. And running 4.2+ on this 4770K has been entertaining!

I am learning a lot and am VERY happy with my purchase. I did buy the Intel $25 OC insurance so we're good there. I will say this chip has some hoooottt temps. Even with my monster air cooler which will let the cores idle in the lower 30's, as soon as I run wPrime or whatever, temps instantly shoot up to the 60's and 70's before leveling out.

Next thing, Crazyeyesreaper made a comment about cooler tower orientation and Haswell and claims that there is some untapped potential on cooling performance even if only 1 degree C. He says that using the cooler like = will be more effective than the standard || orientation. Mine is in standard, but for years prior I ran how he suggested as I assumed it would be more effective. Especially with my PC case the sadly discontinued Lian Li Lancool PC-K62, as it has 1 rear 120mm and 2 top 140mm exhaust fans that keep the CPU heat on constant evacuation. Sadly their MB tray CPU hole is offset and too small meaning I have to partially remove my darn MB to adjust the orientation of my large CPU cooler. I went with the standard orientation to NOT cover my memory DIMMS, but these G.Skill Snipers have me confident in their performance so I think I will try some tests of my own and report back here and in the Haswell OC Clubhouse.

Who else has recently jumped onto Haswell? What's your plans? Tigger did ya get setup yet?

About the end of the month mate, i'll be getting a 4670k though, just unsure whether to get the Asus Hero, or MSI gd65 gaming.

Glad you're enjoying it, while I rock with my Q8200