need help pick my first water cooling loop

[ne6togadno]

Just get the MCP35x.

2x350 for 70$ or 35x for 90$

 

[MxPhenom 216]

2x350 for 70$ or 35x for 90$

Where is he getting the MCP350s from?

 

[Ja.KooLit]

just check Frozen CPu the 35X looks stronger....


So is the 35X suffice for that kind of loop? 360 + 240 rad?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Easily. can do more.

 

[ne6togadno]

Where is he getting the MCP350s from?

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/can-au-eu-mcp350-pumps-ddc-1t-35-shipped-pp.155400/unread

just check Frozen CPu the 35X looks stronger....


So is the 35X suffice for that kind of loop? 360 + 240 rad?

use this to calculate your needs

 

[Ja.KooLit]

damn it..... never thought its hard to plan water cooling lol...

alot of things to remember.... alot to consider.... and on top of top, its seems it requires alot of time and attention.....

 

[XSI]

and what about this solution? cheaper, water cooled 1-2 gpu and or cpu
www.nzxt.com/product/detail/138-kraken-g10-gpu-bracket.html

 

[ne6togadno]

and what about this solution? cheaper, water cooled 1-2 gpu and or cpu
www.nzxt.com/product/detail/138-kraken-g10-gpu-bracket.html

this is gpu bracket only. it doesnt include aio water cooler.

 

[XSI]

this is gpu bracket only. it doesn't include aio water cooler.

I know, but it supports a lot of AIO and you don't need to go for high end stuff, just use something like Corsair H50. Even if you buy 2 of them just for 290 it will still be cheaper. 110-120$ for one bracket with AIO. Lets make it 150. 2x150 = 300$ and you can put air on cpu. In their site they say temp difference ~35*C
I believe R290 - 35*C is pretty damn good.

 

[ne6togadno]

I know, but it supports a lot of AIO and you don't need to go for high end stuff, just use something like Corsair H50. Even if you buy 2 of them just for 290 it will still be cheaper. 110-120$ for one bracket with AIO. Lets make it 150. 2x150 = 300$ and you can put air on cpu. In their site they say temp difference ~35*C
I believe R290 - 35*C is pretty damn good.

-35deg is for gtx780 and g10+x40. x40 is 140mm rad which require case modding in order to fit in raven rv03
aio coolers doesnt offer so better performance over air coolers to justify their higher price.
if it is about most cost efficent solution then it will be better to wait few weeks and get non ref 290

edit:
found review of g10+x40
http://www.hardware-360.com/nzxt-kraken-g10-liquid-cooled-gpu-mounting-bracket-review/

 

[XSI]

then it will be better to wait few weeks and get non ref 290

Totally agree

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Totally agree

nope i will be pushing for water cooling....decided to get 290's as based from review 290x cant push further and difference between 2 is only 4%. dont ant to get after market 290 as they just dump hot air inside case.... dont want that anymore based from my experience on my current gpu's. the nzxt doesnt really cool the vrm...

@
neo, thanks for looking up my thread all the time.... i am currently checking and planning for watercooling... i will ask you first bdfore i pruchase....

 

[ne6togadno]

nope i will be pushing for water cooling....decided to get 290's as based from review 290x cant push further and difference between 2 is only 4%. dont ant to get after market 290 as they just dump hot air inside case.... dont want that anymore based from my experience on my current gpu's. the nzxt doesnt really cool the vrm...

i think idea behind fan at bracket is to cool exactly vrms. since they arent covered from fins of the gpu radiator this solution will work well enough. memory cooling however is minimal to non existing.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

i think idea behind fan at bracket is to cool exactly vrms. since they arent covered from fins of the gpu radiator this solution will work well enough. memory cooling however is minimal to non existing.

yeah thats also what I read about.. but it doesnt look good... anyway like I said I will be pushing for water cooling....

I am planning to sell my 7950's ( hope I can do now but I am not home) but my plan is to get 290's test have some test and so on. If noise and hot annoys me, I will sell my 7950's and buy a full loop water cooling.... I basically need extra gpu for my other normal rig with my old 1050p monitor.

anyway ne6, is 2 x 240 rad enough to cool CPU + 2 290's? what my plan actually is to (sorry I dont have any accounts on photo sharing, so I cannot attached a drawing)... my plan is 1 240 rad on the Bays... and one 240 rad outside my case.... I still want to keep the 2 180 fans from the bottom to keep everything inside cool.....

on the external one, there is a pump, rad combo... cant remember but I saw that on the frozen cpu... and then 1 loop for CPU.... I will drop the bay reservior idea...

 

[MxPhenom 216]

OP don't waste your time with the AIO cooling units, brackets for a GPU, etc. make a real water cooling loop. Especially if you have the money to drop. Its fun, and something new to learn.

 

[d1nky]

OP don't waste your time with the AIO cooling units, brackets for a GPU, etc. make a real water cooling loop. Especially if you have the money to drop. Its fun, and something new to learn.

exactly and the performance difference is huge.

A full custom loop is priceless when done right, and can be kept for years!

 

[Ja.KooLit]

OP don't waste your time with the AIO cooling units, brackets for a GPU, etc. make a real water cooling loop. Especially if you have the money to drop. Its fun, and something new to learn.

who said i will go for AIO?

nope i will be pushing for water cooling....decided to get 290's as based from review 290x cant push further and difference between 2 is only 4%. dont ant to get after market 290 as they just dump hot air inside case.... dont want that anymore based from my experience on my current gpu's. the nzxt doesnt really cool the vrm...

yeah thats also what I read about.. but it doesnt look good... anyway like I said I will be pushing for water cooling....

I am planning to sell my 7950's ( hope I can do now but I am not home) but my plan is to get 290's test have some test and so on. If noise and hot annoys me, I will sell my 7950's and buy a full loop water cooling.... I basically need extra gpu for my other normal rig with my old 1050p monitor.

anyway ne6, is 2 x 240 rad enough to cool CPU + 2 290's? what my plan actually is to (sorry I dont have any accounts on photo sharing, so I cannot attached a drawing)... my plan is 1 240 rad on the Bays... and one 240 rad outside my case.... I still want to keep the 2 180 fans from the bottom to keep everything inside cool.....

on the external one, there is a pump, rad combo... cant remember but I saw that on the frozen cpu... and then 1 loop for CPU.... I will drop the bay reservior idea...

so please tell me MXPhenom and d1nky if 2 x 240 is enough for 2 x 290's and CPU?

 

[ne6togadno]

yeah thats also what I read about.. but it doesnt look good... anyway like I said I will be pushing for water cooling....

I am planning to sell my 7950's ( hope I can do now but I am not home) but my plan is to get 290's test have some test and so on. If noise and hot annoys me, I will sell my 7950's and buy a full loop water cooling.... I basically need extra gpu for my other normal rig with my old 1050p monitor.

anyway ne6, is 2 x 240 rad enough to cool CPU + 2 290's? what my plan actually is to (sorry I dont have any accounts on photo sharing, so I cannot attached a drawing)... my plan is 1 240 rad on the Bays... and one 240 rad outside my case.... I still want to keep the 2 180 fans from the bottom to keep everything inside cool.....

on the external one, there is a pump, rad combo... cant remember but I saw that on the frozen cpu... and then 1 loop for CPU.... I will drop the bay reservior idea...

how much heat radiators transfer to air depends on fans. but i would rather play save and get a bit more rads then to have smaller rads and to have to pump rmps of fans in order to get job done.
also keep in mind that you wont bin the loop next time you upgrade your pc. you will pay almost 1k for it so better make it with bigger tolerances.
you will still need reservoir and place to mount pumps so you will need exact calculation how much will this cost because you may end up spending more for reservoir, and mounting of reservoir and pumps then if you use bay reservoir. build in level indicator will also give you easy accessible indication for possible leaks.

in case specs it is written that fans can be added to drive bays (or as replacement) but i cant see what air direction would be cause front bay covers look quite solid (at least on pictures i saw). also you may find outer radiator quite uncomfortable. what i have offered you is may be the best way to fit everything inside the case w/o case modding. if you setup rad fans to be exhaust and add intake fans on every other available slot you will have 4 intake and 4 exhaust fans. air flow direction will be kind of wired but it will work.
you really dont need those 180mm fans. you will watercool your biggest heaters (cpu and gpus) only other things left for cooling are mb vrms and ram. vrm will be cooled from fan behind cpu just fine (see my f1rst m0d in d1nky's sig) and 1600 ram doesnt need that much cooling and airflow in case will be enough to keep it cool.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

how much heat radiators transfer to air depends on fans. but i would rather play save and get a bit more rads then to have smaller rads and to have to pump rmps of fans in order to get job done.
also keep in mind that you wont bin the loop next time you upgrade your pc. you will pay almost 1k for it so better make it with bigger tolerances.
you will still need reservoir and place to mount pumps so you will need exact calculation how much will this cost because you may end up spending more for reservoir, and mounting of reservoir and pumps then if you use bay reservoir. build in level indicator will also give you easy accessible indication for possible leaks.

in case specs it is written that fans can be added to drive bays (or as replacement) but i cant see what air direction would be cause front bay covers look quite solid (at least on pictures i saw). also you may find outer radiator quite uncomfortable. what i have offered you is may be the best way to fit everything inside the case w/o case modding. if you setup rad fans to be exhaust and add intake fans on every other available slot you will have 4 intake and 4 exhaust fans. air flow direction will be kind of wired but it will work.
you really dont need those 180mm fans. you will watercool your biggest heaters (cpu and gpus) only other things left for cooling are mb vrms and ram. vrm will be cooled from fan behind cpu just fine (see my f1rst m0d in d1nky's sig) and 1600 ram doesnt need that much cooling and airflow in case will be enough to keep it cool.

thanks for the good explanation. No the front bays are not solid... i can be removed actually....

damn it this case restricts me alot for this watercooling..... and I cant really buy a new case now never thought about having desire for water cooling... I just bought this case a few months ago and I could imagine my wife's reaction if I say I need a case again.... she will basically say " again?" lol.....

right now I am inspired by this

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293024/build-log-hydro-raven-2-0-rv03

but I can see he has only 1 GPU..... but I wont do case modding... like drilling a hole at the back for the fan... thats why I thought about the idea of having the rad oustide the case instead.....


I actually thought about using my extra mid tower case for water cooling. But damn it wont look nice though having a 2 cases.....

 

[MxPhenom 216]

You just need to buy a case built for watercooling. instead of fiddling with ways of doing in your current case.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Hell just get an nzxt switch 810 and youll be on your way.

 

[ne6togadno]

thanks for the good explanation. No the front bays are not solid... i can be removed actually....

damn it this case restricts me alot for this watercooling..... and I cant really buy a new case now never thought about having desire for water cooling... I just bought this case a few months ago and I could imagine my wife's reaction if I say I need a case again.... she will basically say " again?" lol.....

right now I am inspired by this

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293024/build-log-hydro-raven-2-0-rv03

but I can see he has only 1 GPU..... but I wont do case modding... like drilling a hole at the back for the fan... thats why I thought about the idea of having the rad oustide the case instead.....


I actually thought about using my extra mid tower case for water cooling. But damn it wont look nice though having a 2 cases.....

you want to run the case w/o bay covers?!

 

[Ja.KooLit]

you want to run the case w/o bay covers?!

oh no.... in the bays.... the front one bezels? i think that one is called... is removable....

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/silverstone_raven_rv03_review,4.html

Hell just get an nzxt switch 810 and youll be on your way.

not an option.. like I said I just bought this case a few months ago..... never thought I want to do water cooling lol...
But who knows,,, maybe 290 will perform well due to the fact that my case is optimized for air cooling... well means not over heat and no throttling. I dont think I will do over clock. That was one reason why I want to do crossfire to lessen the load.... one 290 stock is not really sufficient or it is sufficient of course but I cannot play at max settings....
my 2 7950's overclocked well played at max settings on my monitor but I could hear gpu's are screaming all the time... lol... so you never know.... if there is no throttling, even fans are screaming... I may have got used to it already on the noise I had on my gpu's now....

I am not rushing... I am out of town so I am just on planning stage so when the time comes, I am already prepared... good thing about frozen cpu is that you can save the things you wanted to buy so you can just pull it off right away after you decide to buy...

One more reason why I like this case is the idea of having the HDD's behind.... I have 6 HDD's 4 normal HDD, 1 SSD and one SSHD.... small one for my steam games....

 

[d1nky]

ive been subbed to this thread since it started. im no pro in watercooling but I know enough.

if you want to keep the case and have a decent budget, a phobya nova 1080 will certainly make you wet and overkill your cooling! also it can be run on a decent pump (d5, 35x etc), I'd even fit quick disconnects!

if it were me, I wouldn't waste the cash on a case. I bought the 810 switch, its great. but I wish I had a testbench or more rad!.

another option is to mod, I had a tiny case and managed to stick a loop in it. the problem is tho, its so compact its easy to break and damage things. check my sig out.

I totally agree and have many people tell me to get 290s on water, as they have much potential. I also atm have xfire 7950s which kick ass in games, and im hesitant to upgrade!


watercooling Is easy, its the part after where you become addicted and want to spend every penny on it that is hard!

 

[ne6togadno]

oh no.... in the bays.... the front one bezels? i think that one is called... is removable....

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/silverstone_raven_rv03_review,4.html



not an option.. like I said I just bought this case a few months ago..... never thought I want to do water cooling lol...
But who knows,,, maybe 290 will perform well due to the fact that my case is optimized for air cooling... well means not over heat and no throttling. I dont think I will do over clock. That was one reason why I want to do crossfire to lessen the load.... one 290 stock is not really sufficient or it is sufficient of course but I cannot play at max settings....
my 2 7950's overclocked well played at max settings on my monitor but I could hear gpu's are screaming all the time... lol... so you never know.... if there is no throttling, even fans are screaming... I may have got used to it already on the noise I had on my gpu's now....

I am not rushing... I am out of town so I am just on planning stage so when the time comes, I am already prepared... good thing about frozen cpu is that you can save the things you wanted to buy so you can just pull it off right away after you decide to buy...

One more reason why I like this case is the idea of having the HDD's behind.... I have 6 HDD's 4 normal HDD, 1 SSD and one SSHD.... small one for my steam games....

in review i saw filters and removable covers wasnt shown.
what version of mb you have with 1 pciex1 or with 2 pciex1?