who should acquire amd??

FordGT90Concept · Sep 19, 2015

DoJ doesn't care, seriously.

natr0n said:
The Arabs from Dubai.They have more $$$ than anyone to invest in new tech.

They drive gold plated/solid gold cars because they can. Money is nothing to them.

being serious too

Bill Gates has far more money and you don't see him doing that. Buffett too. You're describing the culture of ruling class in the Middle East. Remember, a billion dollars would almost buy you a 1000 Bugatti Veyrons. In the context of wealth, gold plated cars are actually quite small; moreover, I think the Arabs are more concerned about Islamic infighting changing borders than acquiring a struggling US company.

Gates and Buffett could easily buyout AMD in its entirety with personal money. Buffett is more likely than Gates if Buffett thinks he can turn the company around for big profits.

qubit · Sep 19, 2015

cadaveca said:
AMD isn't lower quality. They simply don't offer the same type of performance for your dollar. But given that they are on older process technology compared to Intel, I think they've done fairly well in the CPU space, and GPUs are fine, too. APUs need lower power consumption.

As long as AMD sells every single product it "makes" (hint: it makes ZERO consumer-focused products, other companies do that for them), and does so without a loss, then they are good.

There is a lot they could do. But ultimately they only have a job to make money, not make amazing products.

No, it's not the older process technology that makes their products lower quality - that just makes them lower performance. I'm talking about dumbass things like putting ridiculously noisy chokes on the R9 Nano, coolers that are extremely noisy and are too weak to cool the GPU properly such as the R9 290, see W1zz's comment here. They have a history of compromising their products with idiotic decisions like this. That they then charge top dollar for it with the R9 Nano makes the gaff even worse and a complete dealbreaker.

While NVIDIA don't always make perfect products, I don't see them compromising those products so badly, ever.

Then we have Bulldozer. Big hype, big name, shit performance. How embarrassing. :shadedshu:

Jetster · Sep 19, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
Read the post above. U.S. Government would never allow it.

They already bought the US Gov

But I think Intel is in the mix for AMD at least for the graphics part

FordGT90Concept · Sep 19, 2015

qubit said:
Then we have Bulldozer. Big hype, big name, shit performance. How embarrassing.

Performance is relative. Intel made AMD look bad. There's not much AMD could do about it because Intel already had the process advantage.

I also think people make Nano out to be much more than it is. AMD doesn't even have the supply to move lots of the cards even if they were offered at $300. Nano isn't going to impact AMD's bottom line much, if at all. Fiji, as a whole, isn't going to sell well which is why they're rebranding all of their cards to 3## series. The 3## series is AMD's cash cow.

Atomic77 · Sep 19, 2015

I think Intel should acquire amd and then make everything intel inside that will make it so theres no competition and there won't be anything to worry about when it comes to Processors.

btarunr · Sep 19, 2015

The only company that can tell Intel to let AMD keep its x86 license post-acquisition is Microsoft.

rtwjunkie · Sep 19, 2015

Atomic77 said:
I think Intel should acquire amd and then make everything intel inside that will make it so theres no competition and there won't be anything to worry about when it comes to Processors.

Respectfully, you've not given this much thoight have you?! You literally have no idea of the repurcussions on consumers, costwise and lack of any innovation.

NC37 · Sep 19, 2015

human_error said:
Maybe Apple? AMD GPUs are already in macbooks, and they already have a design team for their own ARM based mobile SOCs. Buying AMD would let them own the design of CPU and GPU hardware in their devices, as well as AMDs patent portfolio.

Not suggesting this would be a good move for the rest of us, but for Apple it would give them even greater control of their hardware platform.

Apple is pretty much in bed with Intel however, one of the biggest reasons Apple would want to is yes, so they could then completely close their hardware. Remember Apple has delusions about appliance computers. They would love to do everything in house. Being in bed with Intel is great for them, but they are still at Intel's mercy and it is known that Jobs did not like Intel's pace with integrated graphics. Heck I'm a big Jobs critic because I don't like what he turned Apple into, but I took that quote of his and keep it in my sig. It remains relevant even today. Intel has only gotten better because AMD pushed it with APUs. Had APUs not existed, Intel wouldn't even have anything close to IRIS.

Even before the x86 switch, Apple was at the mercy of Motorola and IBM. It has been a long time issue with Macs. Buying AMD would remove that problem. It would also mean they buy back the chip designer that made all their A series ARM chips. That might be worth it unless their current team is doing fine working off his notes. Remember, AMD coaxed him back from Apple and now we've got Zen right around the corner.

Microsoft maybe however their business model has always been more software oriented. Buying AMD would benefit their Xbox division but not too much more than that.

nVidia...well there is something. nVidia wants some of the tech AMD has. But it would never make it through the courts. Monopolize the market since AMD is the only real competitor in the GPU business. The same would happen if Intel tried to buy AMD. AMD can effectively avoid being bought out because they are key competitors in both CPU and GPU.

Toothless · Sep 19, 2015

Well.. The saying is "AMD is for poor people" so would that make Little Caesars a contestant? Decent but cheap performance / pizza?

MadClown · Sep 19, 2015

Nobody is going to buy AMD, they still have a few years to settle their debts last I checked.
Their cards are selling fine, and with how little Intel has improved their cpu lines over the past 4 years or so I don't think its that far-fetched to think that Zen will match or dare I say, surpass whatever Intel has.

Then there's the scenario that I am completely wrong...

TheMailMan78 · Sep 19, 2015

DEEEZ NUTZZZZ WILL BUY AMD!

phanbuey · Sep 19, 2015

probably one of the more undervalued companies.... if they succeed, their stock will go up, if they get bought - their stock will go up. They're not going anywhere for a while, and no one is expecting much from them while they are sitting on some interesting tech (Zen, HBM gpus).

Frick · Sep 19, 2015

qubit said:
No, it's not the older process technology that makes their products lower quality - that just makes them lower performance. I'm talking about dumbass things like putting ridiculously noisy chokes on the R9 Nano, coolers that are extremely noisy and are too weak to cool the GPU properly such as the R9 290, see W1zz's comment here. They have a history of compromising their products with idiotic decisions like this. That they then charge top dollar for it with the R9 Nano makes the gaff even worse and a complete dealbreaker.

While NVIDIA don't always make perfect products, I don't see them compromising those products so badly, ever.

Then we have Bulldozer. Big hype, big name, shit performance. How embarrassing.

What about all those GTX 970's with coil whine, and that 3.5GB thing? They still sell like hotcakes (deservedly so because the memory thing doesn't have an impact). The R9 290/x was pretty stupid sure, but Nvidia has had cards that were noisy as all heck too, but that doesn't matter as much because they are higher quality.

Their CPU's are of high quality too. I'm not sure how you measure that quality in a CPU though.

And as for Bulldozer... Well yes, it wasn't brilliant, but I still think at some point we'll look back and say they were too early with that design.

EDIT: IBM should buy them. Then we have two blues.

RCoon · Sep 19, 2015

Nobody will buy AMD. The Radeon-HD graphics division will either operate autonomously and start actually making a profit as a separate entity, or somebody else will buy it. AMD will probably just become an ip company.

HumanSmoke · Sep 19, 2015

cadaveca said:
What if they just gave me the money to do it for them? There are ways around this.

Nice try. Mergers and acquisitions have this little thing called Due diligence. I'm sure if your bank account suddenly swelled to seven figures it might raise a few red flags.
On the other hand, you could approach the Abu Dhabi emirate and tell them you can launder the cash so it is untraceable....then split with the proceeds. No death penalty in the UAE for embezzlement, and even if you're caught what's the worst that can happen? They gave some American 10 years, so its got to be less for a Canadian, eh?

FordGT90Concept said:
DoJ doesn't care, seriously.

Of course not. Why would the U.S. Government worry about selling a U.S. semiconductor business that is fully embedded in the U.S. economy to a federation who also own Stratign - a defence intelligence company specializing in signal and communications intelligence and malware with close ties to the Russian Federation that isn't allowed to operate its sales business within the U.S. ?

HalfAHertz · Sep 19, 2015

I'm just gonna leave this here:
http://anandtech.com/show/9643/jim-keller-leaves-amd

First they split the GFX division after all that hard work integrating it, now this. The little hope that I had left for Zen is evaporating quickly...

INSTG8R · Sep 19, 2015

HalfAHertz said:
I'm just gonna leave this here:
http://anandtech.com/show/9643/jim-keller-leaves-amd

First they split the GFX division after all that hard work integrating it, now this. The little hope that I had left for Zen is evaporating quickly...

This "gloom and doom" over Jim Keller leaving is SO backwards and has to stop....

He's finished Zen what does have to do there now? Sit and watch the silicon go by on the production line? Should they keep paying him to do nothing?

remixedcat · Sep 19, 2015

Toothless said:
Well.. The saying is "AMD is for poor people" so would that make Little Caesars a contestant? Decent but cheap performance / pizza?

5 dollar HOT-N-READDDYYYYYY

*wink*

FordGT90Concept · Sep 19, 2015

Other projects in the pipeline at AMD CPU group include ARM-based AMD processors (K12), an ARM counterpart of sorts for Zen that is set to launch later on.

8| AMD is diversifying. I wonder if they're going to make that ARM processor powerful enough to compete with x86. If it does, AMD may have just found its new niche.

remixedcat · Sep 19, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
8| AMD is diversifying. I wonder if they're going to make that ARM processor powerful enough to compete with x86. If it does, AMD may have just found its new niche.

nvidia and qualcomm and to some extent samsung allready got that niche there...

qubit · Sep 19, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Performance is relative. Intel made AMD look bad. There's not much AMD could do about it because Intel already had the process advantage.

I also think people make Nano out to be much more than it is. AMD doesn't even have the supply to move lots of the cards even if they were offered at $300. Nano isn't going to impact AMD's bottom line much, if at all. Fiji, as a whole, isn't going to sell well which is why they're rebranding all of their cards to 3## series. The 3## series is AMD's cash cow.

It wasn't just Intel's process advantage, it was AMD's shared resources architecture that nailed Bulldozer. Zen is going back to a more traditional design and should hopefully be a lot better.

I agree that Nano is unlikely to sell well. The idiotic thing is that if they'd price it just a little lower and fix that stupid coil whine then I think it would. Seriously, this company just seems to be trying to sabotage itself at every turn. :ohwell:

Frick said:
What about all those GTX 970's with coil whine, and that 3.5GB thing? They still sell like hotcakes (deservedly so because the memory thing doesn't have an impact). The R9 290/x was pretty stupid sure, but Nvidia has had cards that were noisy as all heck too, but that doesn't matter as much because they are higher quality.

Their CPU's are of high quality too. I'm not sure how you measure that quality in a CPU though.

And as for Bulldozer... Well yes, it wasn't brilliant, but I still think at some point we'll look back and say they were too early with that design.

EDIT: IBM should buy them. Then we have two blues.

Yes, NVIDIA messed up on the coil whine there and I did say they don't put out perfect products every time, but that's basically just one iffy product out of many good ones. And that 3.5GB thing was no miscalculation. They were dishonest about it and got away with it. :nutkick:

Still, they might hesitate to try it on again as given the controversy it kicked up customers may not be so forgiving next time.

Also, to be fair, my NVIDIA cards also have noticeable coil whine (thinking of GTX 285, GTX 580, GTX 780 Ti in particular) which is a bit annoying, but at least it's not a screamer like on this Nano and some of their previous cards like their flagship dual GPU 7990.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 19, 2015

remixedcat said:
nvidia and qualcomm and to some extent samsung allready got that niche there...

Not really. They're all portable products with 10 watts are less. I'm talking a ~100 watt ARM processor (could potentially have ~100 cores). I could see the super computing and data processing markets eat them up.

qubit said:
It wasn't just Intel's process advantage, it was AMD's shared resources architecture that nailed Bulldozer. Zen is going back to a more traditional design and should hopefully be a lot better.

Bulldozer isn't that bad but when you have 65nm competing against 32nm, 32nm competing against 22nm, and 28nm competing against 14nm, they lost before they started. Doesn't matter what market you look at, AMD is attractive in price only--because they have no choice but to market them cheap.

qubit said:
I agree that Nano is unlikely to sell well. The idiotic thing is that if they'd price it just a little lower and fix that stupid coil whine then I think it would. Seriously, this company just seems to be trying to sabotage itself at every turn.

Fiji itself is not cheap to produce. I think they were forced to put it the $650 price point because that's what that silicon realestate is worth. Sure it has a markup on it but I doubt it is huge. AMD would love to sell it for much less but I doubt they can afford to.

qubit · Sep 19, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Fiji itself is not cheap to produce. I think they were forced to put it the $650 price point because that's what that silicon realestate is worth. Sure it has a markup on it but I doubt it is huge. AMD would love to sell it for much less but I doubt they can afford to.

I dunno how true that is, but if it is, just fix the coil whine then. It's so cheap to fix it anyway. A card like this is in its own form factor and performance category so can afford to be priced at a premium and should still sell reasonably well.

Basard · Sep 19, 2015

erocker said:
Pizza Hut, maybe Microsoft.

Lol... the first one that popped in my mind was Dominos....

JunkBear · Sep 19, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
Read the post above. U.S. Government would never allow it.

You create a department there and with time you close the one in US due to lack of performance then you just got around the laws.

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Display(s)	Samsung SyncMaster P2350 23in @ 1920x1080 + Dell E2013H 20 in @1600x900
Case	Dell Precision T3600 Chassis
Audio Device(s)	Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 // Fiio E7 Amp/DAC
Power Supply	630w Dell T3600 PSU
Mouse	Logitech G700s/G502
Keyboard	Logitech K740
Software	Linux Mint 20
Benchmark Scores	Network: APs: Cisco Meraki MR32, Ubiquiti Unifi AP-AC-LR and Lite Router/Sw:Meraki MX64 MS220-8P

System Name	HTPC
Processor	Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 - 3.00/6M/1333
Motherboard	AsRock G31M-GS R2.0
Cooling	CoolerMaster Vortex 752 - Black
Memory	4 Go (2x2) Kingston ValueRam DDR2-800
Video Card(s)	Asus EN8600GT/HTDP/512M
Storage	WD 3200AAKS
Display(s)	32" Irico E320GV-FHD
Case	Aerocool Qx-2000
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	Enermax NoiseTaker 2 - 465w
Mouse	Logitech Wave MK550 combo (M510)
Keyboard	Logitech Wave MK550 combo (K350)
Software	Win_7_Pro-French
Benchmark Scores	Windows index : 6.5 / 6.5 / 5.6 / 6.3 / 5.9

System Name	penguin
Processor	R7 5700G
Motherboard	Asrock B450M Pro4
Cooling	Some CM tower cooler that will fit my case
Memory	4 x 8GB Kingston HyperX Fury 2666MHz
Video Card(s)	IGP
Storage	ADATA SU800 512GB
Display(s)	27' LG
Case	Zalman
Audio Device(s)	stock
Power Supply	Seasonic SS-620GM
Software	win10

System Name	ChoreBoy
Processor	8700k Delided
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z390 Master
Cooling	420mm Custom Loop
Memory	CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 2x8GB @ 3000Mhz
Video Card(s)	EVGA 1080 SC
Storage	1TB SX8200, 250GB 850 EVO, 250GB Barracuda
Display(s)	Pixio PX329 and Dell E228WFP
Case	Fractal R6
Audio Device(s)	On-Board
Power Supply	1000w Corsair
Software	Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores	A million on everything....

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