Will GTX 980Ti fit inside my current system specs?

[rtwjunkie]

I deleted it because according to @cdawall it was bad advice.

No. That was his opinion. Neither of you is wrong. Both situations will fit the needs of people. Really only the OP can determine what advice he/she considers the best.

Anyway, IMO, don't ever delete your post because someone doesn't like it. Stand your ground, debate your reasons, and leave it for the OP to decide, or find some middle ground.

 

[cdawall]

No. That was his opinion. Neither of you is wrong. Both situations will fit the needs of people. Really only the OP can determine what advice he/she considers the best.

Anyway, IMO, don't ever delete your post because someone doesn't like it. Stand your ground, debate your reasons, and leave it for the OP to decide, or find some middle ground.

Which would give higher frames in a GPU bound system the 970 or 980Ti? Obviously the 980Ti.

 

[Estaric]

No. That was his opinion. Neither of you is wrong. Both situations will fit the needs of people. Really only the OP can determine what advice he/she considers the best.

I just feel the 980 ti is unneeded to run The Witcher 3. an i5 4460 performs at the same level as the FX 8350, and then a gtx 970 shouldnt give that bad of performance on the witcher 3

@cdawall I am not stupid i know the gtx 980 ti is clearly more powerful than the 970 i just dont feel the 980 ti is needed.

 

[BiggieShady]

Also depends on monitor refresh rate because in CPU hungry games when using high end GPU all differences are usually above 60 fps:

... I'm saying this because I hate tearing and always assume that maximum monitor refresh rate should be surpassed by fps and game vsynced (if not gsync or freesync monitor obviously).
If player is super sensitive to fps dips or slow downs in extra cpu intensive parts (dynamic nature of games) then beefy CPU is a must.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Which would give higher frames in a GPU bound system the 970 or 980Ti? Obviously the 980Ti.

OP never stated his monitor or resolution. I can tell you from 1st hand experience the 970 at 1080p is more than powerful enough to run TW3 at 50(+) fps. So sure, a 980Ti will do better, for twice the price. Do most people desire something that powerful? Sure. Do they need that much? Most people don't.

If it is 1440p, THEN we can start validating the 980Ti as the better choice.

 

[cdawall]

OP never stated his monitor or resolution. I can tell you from 1st hand experience the 970 at 1080p is more than powerful enough to run TW3 at 50(+) fps. So sure, a 980Ti will do better, for twice the price. Do most people desire something that powerful? Sure. Do they need that much? Most people don't.

If it is 1440p, THEN we can start validating the 980Ti as the better choice.

Even at 1080P he will be able to run max settings on the 980Ti, he will not on the 970.

Also depends on monitor refresh rate because in CPU hungry games when using high end GPU all differences are usually above 60 fps:
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Stop playing at normal settings with no AA/AF? That is showing a CPU bound gaming setting, Simply bumping the settings removes that.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Even at 1080P he will be able to run max settings on the 980Ti, he will not on the 970.

I'm unaware which max settings I cannot run? You have first hand gameplay experience on a 970 with the game? The only thing not turned on is "hairworks", and I don't even turn that on for my 980.

 

[cdawall]

I'm unaware which max settings I cannot run? You have first hand gameplay experience on a 970 with the game? The only thing not turned on is "hairworks", and I don't even turn that on for my 980.

Are we not talking about best anymore? Maybe 50FPS at 1080P is unacceptable for the OP? He asked quite simply if his system would support a 980Ti, it will quite well, it will massively improve his gameplay experience vs the 270x he currently has.

I do not believe he asked for an AMD vs Intel debate that as is the usual on here happened. There are reviews all over showing that when you GPU bound the game it doesn't matter what CPU you have (for the most part). So why is there a necessity to bring it up? Your post recommending a 970 by itself would be fine you have experience with that card on TW3. Simply stating a 970 would accomplish the task would have been a good opinion and completely pertinent post. Mentioning that the OP needs to basically toss his AMD in the trash and buy an i5 so he he can get the same FPS is a waste of internet bandwidth.

 

[Estaric]

I do not believe he asked for an AMD vs Intel debate that as is the usual on here happened. There are reviews all over showing that when you GPU bound the game it doesn't matter what CPU you have

That is a lie, so your saying my Q8300 isnt gonna bottleneck a gpu at all in gpu oriented games.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Maybe 50FPS at 1080P is unacceptable for the OP?

I said 50(+)...that means minimum. And where did I bring up Intel? I merely seconded the statement that a 970 was more than good enough.

You've been really antagonistic all over this forum for the last week. Are you OK?

LOL, anyway, we need to hear back from the OP. It's a FORUM, let's chill.

 

[EarthDog]

That is a lie, so your saying my Q8300 isnt gonna bottleneck a gpu at all in gpu oriented games.

It depends on the title, but in most, that is correct. Its like PSUs... people think they need a 1.21 jiggawatt model to power an iGPU based system... same here. Many titles you can use old arse CPUs and see minimal losses if any.

Look up some Techreport game reviews that show CPU performance. Yes, some will kill performance, others it won't make a difference, and others, not so much of a difference.

 

[Estaric]

@cdawall I was not trying to be rude or give him bad info, i just feel the whole GTX 980 ti thing is unneeded in the OP's system for a playable experience in the Witcher 3. If saying that upgrading to the i5 4460 is a good investment then you could argue that the FX 8350 is just as good of an upgrade sense it will tie with the 4460 ( i know from first hand experience).

 

[cdawall]

That is a lie, so your saying my Q8300 isnt gonna bottleneck a gpu at all in gpu oriented games.

I was very specific how I worded my post, I notice you removed half of it and went full politician. That being said, there are in fact games that would have negligible losses even comparing a 5960x and q8300. If the game is heavily GPU bound, threaded for only 4 cores then yes logic would point out that the q8300 would suffice. That being said there are other things to think about with that. Q8300 its based off of PCI-e 1.0, has a FSB and other things that would hold it back as a platform.

I said 50(+)...that means minimum. And where did I bring up Intel? I merely seconded the statement that a 970 was more than good enough.

You've been really antagonistic all over this forum for the last week. Are you OK?

LOL, anyway, we need to hear back from the OP. It's a FORUM, let's chill.

I am chill, people take things to seriously. I am just pointing out quite bluntly that the i5 swap is entirely unnecessary. AAA titles are mostly typically crossplatform. Look for them to run as well on AMD as intel as the future pushes on. Those little jaguar cores in the PS4/xbox1 will slowly and steadily transform the PC gaming industry.

It depends on the title, but in most, that is correct. Its like PSUs... people think they need a 1.21 jiggawatt model to power an iGPU based system... same here. Many titles you can use old arse CPUs and see minimal losses if any.

Look up some Techreport game reviews that show CPU performance. Yes, some will kill performance, others it won't make a difference, and others, not so much of a difference.

This. So much this.

@cdawall I was not trying to be rude or give him bad info, i just feel the whole GTX 980 ti thing is unneeded in the OP's system for a playable experience in the Witcher 3. If saying that upgrading to the i5 4460 is a good investment then you could argue that the FX 8350 is just as good of an upgrade sense it will tie with the 4460 ( i know from first hand experience).

As of right now neither is a good investment. Both are a dead platform. AMD will be on AM4 in March and intel has already introduced skylake. 980Ti now and upgrade the CPU when it is worthwhile to do so.

 

[Estaric]

I am chill, people take things to seriously. I am just pointing out quite bluntly that the i5 swap is entirely unnecessary. AAA titles are mostly typically crossplatform. Look for them to run as well on AMD as intel as the future pushes on. Those little jaguar cores in the PS4/xbox1 will slowly and steadily transform the PC gaming industry.

An i5 swap would last him longer than his current 6300. AND what happens when he does wanna play a game that is CPU oriented, the FX 6300 is gonna hurt his fps more than an i5 would.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I am chill, people take things to seriously.

Really? Everyone has been calm in here except you. You went all diva on us just because your point of view was not worshiped.

And as is usual with these threads, the OP dumps and runs, and we require more information. And the thread is debated laboriously and at great length without said information or response from the OP.

It's senseless really.

 

[cdawall]

An i5 swap would last him longer than his current 6300. AND what happens when he does wanna play a game that is CPU oriented, the FX 6300 is gonna hurt his fps more than an i5 would.

So overclock the CPU. Most of the CPU bound games we are talking the other end of the FPS spectrum. You are 100% that an i5 can push certain games well into the 150-300FPS realm while his FX6300 could very well be only holding 80FPS up. However if we are talking a 60hz monitor what difference does it make? Neither machine will be visually different at that point the bottleneck is the monitor.

Really? Everyone has been calm in here except you. You went all diva on us just because your point of view was not worshiped.

People on here tend to assume I am a bit more serious than I am... My thing is if facts back up a scenario opinions don't matter. In this scenario facts back up that the 980Ti while overkill will provide better performance than a system redux with an i5/970.

 

[Estaric]

People on here tend to assume I am a bit more serious than I am... My thing is if facts back up a scenario opinions don't matter. In this scenario facts back up that the 980Ti while overkill will provide better performance than a system redux with an i5/970.

We are all assuming your more serious than you may actually be because how you are wording everything is sounding very hostile to others. I give up on my opinion if the op wants to waste his money and get a 980 ti when its clearly not needed then let him. ALSO if he is using just a 60hertz monitor than the 970 is an even more viable option because there is no reason to go any higher than 60 fps.

People on here tend to assume I am a bit more serious than I am... My thing is if facts back up a scenario opinions don't matter. In this scenario facts back up that the 980Ti while overkill will provide better performance than a system redux with an i5/970.

We are all assuming your more serious than you may actually be because how you are wording everything is sounding very hostile to others. I give up on my opinion if the op wants to waste his money and get a 980 ti when its clearly not needed then let him. ALSO if he is using just a 60hertz monitor than the 970 is an even more viable option because there is no reason to go any higher than 60 fps.

 

[cdawall]

We are all assuming your more serious than you may actually be because how you are wording everything is sounding very hostile to others. I give up on my opinion if the op wants to waste his money and get a 980 ti when its clearly not needed then let him. ALSO if he is using just a 60hertz monitor than the 970 is an even more viable option because there is no reason to go any higher than 60 fps.

I agree the 970 is plenty, the i5 is the un-needed part.

 

[Estaric]

I agree the 970 is plenty, the i5 is the un-needed part.

so thats what you should say. Instead of coming of as a major jerk and saying that my whole opinion is invalid.

Really there is no reason to say that he needs the 980 ti, slapping a 980 ti in any ol system doesnt make it a worth while upgrade and sure as heck doesnt make it a sure fire build.

 

[EarthDog]

I apologize for MY OPINION. I didnt realize that opinions were not aloud.

Allowed. Sounds like you are the one upset. I don't see his posts being "a jerk". Don't get so butthurt over the internet and people disagreeing with you. It will make your forum experience much better. That said, it is an opinion, and opinions can be wrong (not saying yours is or is not in this case, just saying in general).

You should also edit your posts instead of repeatedly double posting.

 

[cdawall]

so thats what you should say. Instead of coming of as a major jerk and saying that my whole opinion is invalid.

Your original post basically said his AMD rig couldn't play games. This is simply untrue. If it makes me a jerk to say that then so be it. I never once said the 970 wouldn't play TW3@1080 I said the 980ti would do it better. I would hazard a guess no one would argue that.

Really there is no reason to say that he needs the 980 ti, slapping a 980 ti in any ol system doesnt make it a worth while upgrade and sure as heck doesnt make it a sure fire build.

The 980ti+6300 would give an overall better gaming experience than a 970+i5 as well (this assumes decent monitor setup). It was also shown in a couple reviews hat the Pentium G3580 was sufficient when overclocked for nearly every game in existence.

I personally think people miss how much more powerful CPU's are now...People insult the IPC of the FX serious, yet it is faster than the C2D/C2Q and first gen i series. I have yet to see a game an i7 920 cannot play, same for a Phenom II quad. The FX/4&6th gen intels are both acceptable products, the intels are just faster, neither should leave you needing more.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Don't get so butthurt over the internet and people disagreeing with you

Please go read page 1 again. He really did swat the young guy down hard, completely dismissing his opinion as irrelevant. He might as well have told him to go sit in a corner. Really, that's not how we treat people.

 

[cdawall]

Please go read page 1 again. He really did swat the young guy down hard, completely dismissing his opinion as irrelevant. He might as well have told him to go sit in a corner. Really, that's not how we treat people.

He thanked the post in question. I would assume he has read it

 

[rtwjunkie]

He thanked the post in question. I would assume he has read it

So if you'd like everyone here to treat you the same way, just say the word. There's no reason for it. None at all. Try and be civilized instead of hiding behind your monitor.

 

[cdawall]

So if you'd like everyone here to treat you the same way, just say the word. There's no reason for it. None at all. Try and be civilized instead of hiding behind your monitor.

I have no issues with people posting factual information showing me to be incorrect. I have no problem with people being blunt about it. I am not part of the hand holding everyone gets a participation trophy world.

It is also pretty well known where I live I actually go to the bar and drink with several forum members. There is no hiding.