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Well l may get a 580 to replace my 780ti. Honestly people crying about power consumption are the same people who cry about MPG in muscle cars. Dumb asses.

Looking at raw performance/price these 580s ain't to bad. Looking forward to seeing Vega.
 
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Unless you're using your card 24x7 at relatively high load, I doubt it matters. There're probably other factors increasing your power bill more significantly.
Spot on. I'd do some math on that as a gpu or two wouldnt need to be working 24/7 to increase you bill that much. A couple bucks a month if you game a few hours a day. ;)
 

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Spot on. I'd do some math on that as a gpu or two wouldnt need to be working 24/7 to increase you bill that much. A couple bucks a month if you game a few hours a day. ;)
You spend more making toast than what a 580 will cost you in gaming. Unless of course you are crunching or something.
 

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Unless you're using your card 24x7 at relatively high load, I doubt it matters. There're probably other factors increasing your power bill more significantly.

Lets say you average 2.5 hours of gaming a day. At ~100w higher power consumption, that amounts to about $16.50 extra per year(at $0.15 per KWH). Not an amount over the course of a year that you should be worried about.

On the flip side, remember how the GTX480 was pretty universally bashed for its high power consumption compared to the competition? Well, it also consumed about 100w more than its competition at the time, and actually consumed less power than this RX 580. Something to think about.
 
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9.2? Seriously? For a card that, in all honesty, blows goats? This isn't a refresh, it's AMD taking the piss.

Vega had better be the holy lord and saviour that AMD and its fanboys are hoping for, because if the rumours are true and Volta is going to arrive in Q3, all the Pascal cards are going to drop in price, which means we could see GTX 1060 6GB for lower than $200. Which would, justifiably, s**t all over the RX "500" series.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that the Polaris arch was designed as a mobile part first and foremost, where it excels at lower frequencies from 800-1000 Mhz. As soon as you push the frequencies way above that, efficiency nose-dives. Operating at 1440Mhz is way past the optimum for Polaris, hence the comparatively large power consumption.

Your "argument" is nonsensical. If Polaris was designed for mobile parts, then why is AMD putting it in desktop graphics cards? And where are the Polaris-powered laptops? The truth is that the Samsung/GloFo 14nm process is a POS that doesn't scale to decent clocks, and no number of claims about "improvements" can change that. Lipstick on a pig.
 
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And where are the Polaris-powered laptops? The truth is that the Samsung/GloFo 14nm process is a POS that doesn't scale to decent clocks, and no number of claims about "improvements" can change that. Lipstick on a pig.
There's only one Polaris laptop i saw and that's the Alienware17 with an RX470 which costs as much as a 1060 6GB variant. Not taking 460 into consideration since it's a low power, low performance part.
 
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Sure, let's forget about ITX builds (and AIO). But if I open some Ryzen-related threads, I think I should be able to find your posts praising Ryzen's 95W TDP compared to Intel HEDT 140W. Wanna bet?

And how many people use something as silly and outdated as a desktop PC, when you can get a notebook with mobile 1060 that's almost as fast as the desktop one? And keep in mind AMD makes some very efficient Radeon Pro GPUs for Apple MacBooks. Why do they even bother with this RX rebrand? Or is Radeon Pro designed by Apple and exclusive? :D

Yeah, I praised AMD's Ryzen's TDP because their last gen was utter crap compared to this one. It was entirely incomparable. They went from 300W monstrosities that couldn't beat even Core i5's to Ryzen that puts even Intel to shame most of the time and considering the R&D differences between both, you'd expect Intel never to get into that position. Ever.

I do use matx and matx users are not a minority at all. Still the temps on matx are not much worse than atx depending on the case. Power consumprion is always an important factor. Maybe not where you live, but electricity is expensive in some eu countries. I always want the best power consumption product for the same price/perfomance. 180w in 2017 for a 1080p card is too much

Sorry, but tiny case users are in total minority. I've had a miniATX build and in all the years I had it, all I've seen was tons of big cases and like 5 people who had ITX builds as HTPC.

He will always defend everything amd related :D

I guess that's the reason why I have a, wait for it... Intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU... right? Because I'm an AMD fanboy. Dude, your logic just fell flat on its face from a 300m tower... The reason why I'm waiting for RX Vega is because GTX 1080 is like meeeh. Sure, it's fast and efficient, but it's just so damn boring now. It doesn't offer any new software features (ANSEL is totally useless thing imo), it doesn't offer some new radical rendering tech or feature, it's just more of the same, but faster. Believe it or not, I also buy HW for novelty thrill. It's also reason why I kinda regret not going with R9 Fury instead of GTX 980. Not that there is anything wrong with GeForce, but it has the same problem as GTX 1080. It's the same old same, just faster. R9 Fury had HBM which was something new and exciting as it was never used before. MFAA was nice addition back then on GTX, granted, but you can't use normal FSAA anyway in any game so it's kinda irrelevant. If they could replace the FXAA in NV CP with SMAA, that would make my excitement electrons going on again. Or other stuff like that.
 
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There's only one Polaris laptop i saw and that's the Alienware17 with an RX470 which costs as much as a 1060 6GB variant. Not taking 460 into consideration since it's a low power, low performance part.

Exactly. Polaris at low clocks isn't performance-competitive with Pascal, Polaris at high clocks isn't power-competitive with Pascal. So in terms of mobile there are exactly zero reasons to use a Polaris chip when Pascal is superior in every facet. If Polaris was really designed as a mobile chip, then AMD f**king failed miserably, because their competitor's desktop chip is better than their mobile one.
 
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Lets say you average 2.5 hours of gaming a day. At ~100w higher power consumption, that amounts to about $16.50 extra per year(at $0.15 per KWH). Not an amount over the course of a year that you should be worried about.

On the flip side, remember how the GTX480 was pretty universally bashed for its high power consumption compared to the competition? Well, it also consumed about 100w more than its competition at the time, and actually consumed less power than this RX 580. Something to think about.
I think for gtx480 the heat issue is more concerning people, same for all GF110, Tahiti, Hawaii chips. If heat and noise were fine, I don't care there's a 200w power difference.
 
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The problem is that AMD currently cannot compete with Nvidia's high-end GPU's. RX 480 is comparable to GTX 1060, while RX 580 turns out to be just slightly faster than GTX 1060. That's marginal increase in performance and I hope that these cards will not be more expensive than RX 480 was at the time of release.
GTX 1070 still has no competition from AMD, GTX 1080 is blown to pieces by more expensive (relevant factor) and much more power hungry (irrelevant factor) Radeon Pro Duo, while GTX 1080 Ti will hold the crown trough the entire 2017.

I would still buy an AMD card, not because of some fanboyism, but because I can always get more from AMD for the given price.
 
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Yeah, I praised AMD's Ryzen's TDP because their last gen was utter crap compared to this one. It was entirely incomparable. They went from 300W monstrosities that couldn't beat even Core i5's to Ryzen that puts even Intel to shame most of the time and considering the R&D differences between both, you'd expect Intel never to get into that position. Ever.

So in your opinion it's fine to praise Ryzen for better power efficiency than it's predecessor (even though possibly not many people will choose between them), but it's wrong to criticize Polaris for drawing 2x what similarly performing 1060 needs - even though these cards are direct competitors at the moment. This is... interesting. :)

By share coincidence the power difference is similar in both cases. Zen shaved of 100W compared to Bulldozer, but RX580 needs 100W more than GTX1060.
And did I mention that many people will go for a dual (or more) GPU lineup? I'd rather have a 200W CPU and 100W GPU than the opposite.

Also... 300W? FX-9590 has a TDP=220W.
The R&D argument is just weird. If AMD's R&D is too small, they should simply hire more people. What's the problem? It's not like they're a tiny, unknown company.
And if they can't afford a bigger R&D, they should try to sell more mainstream products.
But instead they're concentrating on specialized, niche parts. First marketing Ryzen towards gamers (and not including an IGP) and now giving us a GPU that's hardly usable in notebooks, AIO and small systems.
Looking at the current strategy, it seems AMD is fine with the role of an "underdog": smaller, targeted at particular group of clients. But if that's the case, we shouldn't really expect less because of size difference.
Intel is big, but Intel makes many things. Money from CPU sales funds research in other areas - it's always been like that. I doubt their budgets for actual CPU R&D differ greatly.

Sorry, but tiny case users are in total minority. I've had a miniATX build and in all the years I had it, all I've seen was tons of big cases and like 5 people who had ITX builds as HTPC.
Of course they are. But so are large gaming desktops in the whole personal computing business.
Also, people on this forum keep saying that Intel - by not going over 4 cores in consumer CPU - blocks the evolution of software towards using more cores.
So here's my answer: why is AMD forcing us to get large cases with large PSUs and cooling solutions? Why are they blocking the evolution towards smaller gaming rigs? :D

BTW: I assume RX550 is designed to be paired with Ryzen in PCs that don't need powerful GPU (like office desktops and non-GPU-dependent productivity machines). I wonder how this card will perform. Given the specs compared to RX460, it'll have to be the slowest card available right now, but maybe it's suitable for passive cooling?
That could easily be the most interesting card in the RX5xx series.

Sure, it's fast and efficient, but it's just so damn boring now.
R9 Fury had HBM which was something new and exciting as it was never used before.
OK. So here I'm out, really... You prefer a PC part because it is "exciting", performance being less important. This is something I can't argue with. No one can.
At this point you could simply say that you prefer AMD, because you like red over blue and green...
 
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I would still buy an AMD card, not because of some fanboyism, but because I can always get more from AMD for the given price.
MSRP of RX580 and GTX1060 is exactly the same: $230. However, since 1060 has been around for a while, prices have already dropped.

Just looking at the ASUS ROG series:
GTX 1060 OC: $310, but e.g. Amazon sells it for $295
RX580 OC: $320
Same cooler, possibly almost identical performance.

Keep in mind RX580 TPU review compares it to a generic GTX1060. The Asus mentioned above was 5% faster than generic on average, which means it's just as fast as this Sapphire RX580 (also with large factory OC).
 
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GTX 1080 is blown to pieces by more expensive (relevant factor) and much more power hungry (irrelevant factor) Radeon Pro Duo

Radeon Pro Duo may as well not exist since it's almost impossible to get hold of. Plus it's a dual-GPU card which means game performance is up to the whim of the developers and AMD's driver team.
 
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9.2? Seriously? For a card that, in all honesty, blows goats? This isn't a refresh, it's AMD taking the piss.

Vega had better be the holy lord and saviour that AMD and its fanboys are hoping for, because if the rumours are true and Volta is going to arrive in Q3, all the Pascal cards are going to drop in price, which means we could see GTX 1060 6GB for lower than $200. Which would, justifiably, s**t all over the RX "500" series.



Your "argument" is nonsensical. If Polaris was designed for mobile parts, then why is AMD putting it in desktop graphics cards? And where are the Polaris-powered laptops? The truth is that the Samsung/GloFo 14nm process is a POS that doesn't scale to decent clocks, and no number of claims about "improvements" can change that. Lipstick on a pig.
Volta arrives next year...
 
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MSRP of RX580 and GTX1060 is exactly the same: $230

However, since 1060 has been around for a while, prices have already dropped.

GTX 1060 OC: $310, but e.g. Amazon sells it for $295

Lol.

This isn't a refresh, it's AMD taking the piss.
They "said" they'd up MHZ a bit, they did up it quite a bit.
It sure made cards more power hungry.
I don't get what all the fuss is about, frankly.
Performance is decent and 200W power consumption (on cards with record OC) is hardly outlandish.
They also come with amazing coolers, ASUS Strix 580 is quieter than 1060. (Sapphire manages to beat both).


The truth is that the Samsung/GloFo 14nm process is a POS that doesn't scale to decent clocks, and no number of claims about "improvements" can change that. Lipstick on a pig.

Well, is Samsung's process inferiority a fact?
I've only seen toms review on this (where he compared apple's chip to apple's chip) and Samsung was on par or better.
Ryzen is also on 14nm, as far as I know.

I wonder why they couldn't use whatever they have created for Microsoft Scropio, with 40CUs (up from 36) and where that thing was supposed to be manufactured, GloFo or TSMC.
It has the same TFLOPs rating as 580, but surely consumes much less.


reason to buy the 580
FreeSync, extra 8GB, superior Vulkan/DX12 performance, general longevity of AMD cards.

Oh, and I want to see the prices you have mentioned.
 
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I'm not so sure anymore, at these prices i could get a 1060 6GB overclock the sh** out of it (since it can) and eat both the 480 and the 580 alive. :rolleyes:
this^
I checked the price of the gtx 1060 6GB and :roll:

no reason to buy the 580 :slap:
 

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Well l may get a 580 to replace my 780ti. Honestly people crying about power consumption are the same people who cry about MPG in muscle cars. Dumb asses.

Looking at raw performance/price these 580s ain't to bad. Looking forward to seeing Vega.
Really? For what, around a 10% performance gain.
 
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MSRP of RX580 and GTX1060 is exactly the same: $230. However, since 1060 has been around for a while, prices have already dropped.

Just looking at the ASUS ROG series:
GTX 1060 OC: $310, but e.g. Amazon sells it for $295
RX580 OC: $320
Same cooler, possibly almost identical performance.

Keep in mind RX580 TPU review compares it to a generic GTX1060. The Asus mentioned above was 5% faster than generic on average, which means it's just as fast as this Sapphire RX580 (also with large factory OC).

RX 580 was just released, so prices will drop after a while. At the time of release RX 480 was cheaper than GTX 1060 and I assume that RX 580 follow RX 480's philosophy. Plus, RX 580 has 8GB VRAM, which is nicer than 6GB, even if you won't use all of it.
AMD yet has to release new drivers to further boost RX 580's performance, like they did with RX 480.

Today we have the same hype with GTX 1060 against RX 480 and RX 580 as we did two years ago with GTX 970 and R9 390. Well, R9 390 was cheaper and faster, except in some Nvidia-sponsored games where AMD cards are artificially bogged down. When games start using DX12, and that will happen, AMD cards will get additional boost unlike the Nvidia's.
 
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I checked the price of the gtx 1060 6GB and :roll:

no reason to buy the 580 :slap:
It depends whether you look from realistic or fanboy's perspective. As i said, AMD always offers more bang for the buck and their situation with drivers vastly improved in the last two years.
 
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RX 580 was just released, so prices will drop after a while.
With this kind of performance and efficiency? I'm sure they'll drop very quickly, indeed.

Today we have the same hype with GTX 1060 against RX 480 and RX 580 as we did two years ago with GTX 970 and R9 390. Well, R9 390 was cheaper and faster, except in some Nvidia-sponsored games where AMD cards are artificially bogged down. When games start using DX12, and that will happen, AMD cards will get additional boost unlike the Nvidia's.
"Hype" is something happening before the launch. Today we have numbers. GTX1060 and RX580 have similar price and performance.

I won't comment on the "NVIDIA-sponsored games", but I suggest you don't expect many games to support DX12. It's an awful library. At this point we should worry more about a future DX13 (or Vulkan).
 
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"Hype" is something happening before the launch. Today we have numbers. GTX1060 and RX580 have similar price and performance.
Hype can last as long as the life cycle of the product.

I won't comment on the "NVIDIA-sponsored games"
Of course you won't, because this is well known Nvidia's dirty trick. Just to make it clear, AMD also sponsored a few games, but sheer number of Nvidia-sponsored games vastly outnumber AMD-sponsored ones.

but I suggest you don't expect many games to support DX12. It's an awful library. At this point we should worry more about a future DX13 (or Vulkan).
DX 13 isn't released yet, while Vulkan is much more advanced platform than OpenGL. I see absolutely no problem with games supporting DX12 and implementing Vulkan as this would vastly boost AMD GPU's performance. In other words, I like to pay less and get as much as possible. Paying a lot to get a lot isn't the way to go.
 
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