Sapphire Radeon RX 580 Nitro+ Limited Edition 8 GB

[notb]

Apparently YOU are unaware of the situation in notebook gaming and how pathetic they are for longevity, heat etc. If you are interested, Maximum PC regularly tests insanely expensive gaming notebooks that barely compare in performance to an average built gaming desktop. So, yeah.

Source?

 

[EarthDog]

Source?

you are just as welcome to support your assertion as he is with his...

This isnt a discussion where a blatently obvious point is being questioned.

 

[hat]

Seems like AMD is really falling behind in graphics cards. The GTX1060 looks like the better buy all around. You get the same performance for less money, both at the time of purchase and when it's time to pay the power bill. And if you want more performance, you can go higher with GTX1070 or better from the green team. Hopefully the next release is a game changer.

 

[Vlada011]

Power consumption almost as TITAN Xp. More than GTX1080 but far slower.
If GTX1080 price drop little more will be best investment for gaming. On 499$ example.
I seriously think to buy GTX1080 Founders Edition.

 

[medi01]

Interesting (I was surprised) results with undervolting + chill (AIBs seem to be very conservative about voltage, undervolting alone reduces power consumption by 30W, without any effect on performance).
Skip to 10:00 mark:

consuming twice as much

Consuming X watts more to achieve the same performance is important.
At which frequency is done is not.
That's what you have failed to grasp/

 

[Prima.Vera]

Re-brands should be illegal, since is just a very elaborate SCAM. That's all.

 

[medi01]

GG AMD

https://www.techpowerup.com/232498/radeon-rx-480-cards-can-successfully-be-flashed-to-rx-580

The real "new" cards are 560 (more CUs than 460) and 550 (didn't even exist as 4xx).

The other things are slightly better chip revisions, that allow to achieve higher frequency at lower voltage.

Re-brands should be illegal, since is just a very elaborate SCAM. That's all.

There is nothing that qualifies as "scam" about RX 5xx series.

Basically when notebooks started outselling desktops.

When notebooks started outseling desktop, Intel started to dominate the market.

 

[notb]

you are just as welcome to support your assertion as he is with his...

This isnt a discussion where a blatently obvious point is being questioned.

Hmm... I kind of thought that this is a well known fact and a proof isn't needed.
I did ask for a source, because rtwjunkie mentioned a particular reviewer: "Maximum PC". First of all: I didn't know that magazine (and I have no access to a physical copy). Second: internet-wise they've been swallowed by PC Gamer a year ago. So maybe rtwjunkie was talking about fairly old reviews, while the big jump in laptop GPU performance happened thanks to Maxwell and Pascal?

But no problem. Here's a fairly comprehensive list (section Overview).
https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Witcher-3-Notebook-Benchmarks.143187.0.html
I'm linking The Witcher because it seems to favour AMD architectures.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Re-brands should be illegal, since is just a very elaborate SCAM. That's all.

Does that apply to cars also? I mean they use the same powertrain with minor tweeks for 10+ years in a row sometimes. Would it make you feel any better if they offered different coolers and colors........oh wait that's exactly what they do.

 

[oxidized]

Consuming X watts more to achieve the same performance is important.
At which frequency is done is not.
That's what you have failed to grasp/

What does this even mean?

The real "new" cards are 560 (more CUs than 460) and 550 (didn't even exist as 4xx).
The other things are slightly better chip revisions, that allow to achieve higher frequency at lower voltage.

So???

 

[Prima.Vera]

Does that apply to cars also? I mean they use the same powertrain with minor tweeks for 10+ years in a row sometimes. Would it make you feel any better if they offered different coolers and colors........oh wait that's exactly what they do.

You're comparing oranges with machine guns.

There is nothing that qualifies as "scam" about RX 5xx series.

I was speaking in general.

 

[TheMailMan78]

You're comparing oranges with machine guns
.

Um no. Same thing.

 

[EarthDog]

Does that apply to cars also? I mean they use the same powertrain with minor tweeks for 10+ years in a row sometimes. Would it make you feel any better if they offered different coolers and colors........oh wait that's exactly what they do.

lol.. but they still call it a [insert name of car here]. With a different motor/powertrain, there are designations, like instead of a ford taurus, its a ford taurus sho. To relate this to gpus, it should be an r9 480+ or something, not a new 'series'. So, im with the other dude on the analogy fail.

The real "new" cards are 560 (more CUs than 460) and 550 (didn't even exist as 4xx).

The other things are slightly better chip revisions, that allow to achieve higher frequency at lower voltage

two things.

1. We dont know yet if the low 5 series cards are cut down or not...cant make that assumption yet, can we? Regardless, i wouldnt consider those the same either.
2. The 5xx series cards use MORE voltage and MORE power to reach those clocks. Every single review ive seen has said that.

 

[notb]

lol.. but they still call it a [insert name of car here]. With a different motor/powertrain, there are designations, like instead of a ford taurus, its a ford taurus sho. To relate this to gpus, it should be an r9 480+ or something, not a new 'series'. So, im with the other dude on the analogy fail.

But on the other hand we have this situation with better DDR5 used in new revisions of Pascal-based cards. Manufacturers didn't change the names, so now we'll have a bunch of new reviews for "GeForce GTX 1060 6GB with 9 Gbps GDDR5" and so on. I think I'd prefer rebranding, because this is just sad...

2. The 5xx series cards use MORE voltage and MORE power to reach those clocks. Every single review ive seen has said that.

But this is even sadder. It's really difficult to understand what's happening at AMD because, honestly, they could have just changed the bios in the older cards...
IMO this could be a result of switching the manufacturing process. Maybe these new chips don't like high clocks - much like Ryzen.

 

[Freelancer]

I wonder how MSI Gaming X compare with Sapphire ... will there be a review of MSI Gaming X? Thanks!

 

[W1zzard]

will there be a review of MSI Gaming X? Thanks!

Not sure yet

 

[medi01]

2. The 5xx series cards use MORE voltage and MORE power to reach those clocks. Every single review ive seen has said that.

How does that contradict what I said though?
Slightly improved silicon might allow manufacturers to roll them out.
Note that they had targets (beating 1060) which dictated the OC levels.

The "but it's just 480" is... not really clear. Sure you can find 480 that would OC even better than 580, but it doesn't mean manufacturers could go for it.

For power consumption stuff, I found this rather surprising (rewind to 10:00 mark):

 

[EarthDog]

How does that contradict what I said though?
Slightly improved silicon might allow manufacturers to roll them out.
Note that they had targets (beating 1060) which dictated the OC levels.

The "but it's just 480" is... not really clear. Sure you can find 480 that would OC even better than 580, but it doesn't mean manufacturers could go for it.

For power consumption stuff, I found this rather surprising (rewind to 10:00 mark):

I guess we are still waiting for this better chip revision you speak of? Its not in the 5 series so far..

 

[medi01]

I guess we are still waiting for this better chip revision you speak of? Its not in the 5 series so far..

But based on what? (note, slightly better)

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

I guess we are still waiting for this better chip revision you speak of? Its not in the 5 series so far..

In the video aboveRx580@rx480 clocks requires 890mV resulting in max power comsumption of 75w + below 60ºC temps which means no fans need to turn on. (after 17min mark) It sounds like a better revision to me.

 

[EarthDog]

But its an rx 580.. and to reach rx580 clocks, it needs more voltage to reach those clockspeeds...the same as the rx480 which are flashing successfully to 580s...

Underclocking... lol.

 

[Fluffmeister]

But its an rx 580.. and to reach rx580 clocks, it needs more voltage to reach those clockspeeds...the same as the rx480 which are flashing successfully to 580s...

Underclocking... lol.

Come on Earth, these things are an Underclockers dream!!!!11

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

But its an rx 580.. and to reach rx580 clocks, it needs more voltage to reach those clockspeeds...the same as the rx480 which are flashing successfully to 580s...

Underclocking... lol.

Find me a polaris 10 chip that does 1266 @890mV and takes less than 75w to do so. This mean that the polaris 20xtx (or w/e it is called) is an improved polaris 10 chip, i.e. achieving the same at much lower power and heat.
Well it is also shown in the video that this RX580 could undervolt to 1040mV from the stock 1150mV, reducing the power consumption down to 120w at its RX580 clocks.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Re-brands should be illegal, since is just a very elaborate SCAM. That's all.

No one is going to upgrade an RX 480 to an RX 580 unless it's through an RMA program.

I'm linking The Witcher because it seems to favour AMD architectures.

It does not. Witcher 3 is full of NVIDIA tech.

 

[rruff]

Consumes 100W more to achieve 5% more perf than a 1060. Guess which chip you wont see in a laptop... again.
Not to mention that it's trading blows with an equally priced custom 1060. And those cards were out for a while.

Wanted to say I'm disappointed, but my expectations were extremely low to begin with. And boy were those expectations met.

Extremely depressing news. What happened to all those reports last fall of new RX 480s maxing out at <100W? I thought AMD had refined their process and were going to match Nvidia for efficiency. Instead it looks like we are back to the same old story.

AMD out of the game in laptops, and only making financial sense in desktops if you have free electricity and good cooling.

EDIT:

Find me a polaris 10 chip that does 1266 @890mV and takes less than 75w to do so. This mean that the polaris 20xtx (or w/e it is called) is an improved polaris 10 chip, i.e. achieving the same at much lower power and heat.
Well it is also shown in the video that this RX580 could undervolt to 1040mV from the stock 1150mV, reducing the power consumption down to 120w at its RX580 clocks.

Or maybe not so bad! Huge improvement with undervolting.