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Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?
It certainly can't be more pointless than sticking with quad cores in 2017. Don't know if you noticed but single thread performance has been incremental at best in the last few years while core count skyrocketed , there's a reason for that. Bad advice to make new builds limited like that , just my opinion.
not gonna start a war, but its pointless to look for the moar cores possible when a decent 4ad core, 16gb ram, SSD and video card could make a decent system, if you plan to un modded games, higher resolutions and so, that might justify bigger inversion, but for most games 1080 or even 1440 with a decent video card, for example GTX 970-980-1060-1070 games will run smooth, decent frame rate and no coil wine, just cuz you have older 6core processor does not mean that 4ad cores are lower or worse than yours, so....

 
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just cuz you have older 6core processor does not mean that 4ad cores are lower or worse than yours, so....

What does my half decade old CPU have to do with anything at all ? I think I already mentioned I'm speaking strictly about new CPU's and my only point toward OP is , if you have the means go for higher core count and let go of antiquated mantras.
 
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What does my half decade old CPU have to do with anything at all ? I think I already mentioned I'm speaking strictly about new CPU's and my only point toward OP is , if you have the means go for higher core count and let go of antiquated mantras.
That was my thought when i originally purchased the 8320.

The i5-8350 is already forgotten about. 4 cores no extra threads
Overclocking my already overclocked 8320 isnt gonna give me the performance of an i5-8400/r5 1600 or better. Its still lags way behind.
If the i5-8400 was overclockable it would be the hands down winner. Its already the winner for all around gaming cpu.
The r7 1700 is still a turn on because of the cores/threads and because its still amd and not the dark side.
I would still want to do my part to help amd gain/keep market share, they deserve it.
The min fps loss in gaming by going with a r7 over i5 isnt that big to really stress on the difference.
Whats gonna make my final decention for me is wha5s gonna be available when it comes time to purchase. If zen 2 isnt out yet then i prolly wont get it. If the i5's are still out of stock....same.
 

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It looks like you know around, and can answer your questions yourself.
However keep in mind that that B-die costs a lot. It is the best memory. Since you know this, and I know this, and all other know this - it only ranks up the demand, thus prices. It can cost as much as a motherboard.
Is Taichi + lower Ryzen + lower ram and option? Could upgrade to a better Ryzen2 in the future, hoping Asrock update the firmware.
 

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It looks like you know around, and can answer your questions yourself.
However keep in mind that that B-die costs a lot. It is the best memory. Since you know this, and I know this, and all other know this - it only ranks up the demand, thus prices. It can cost as much as a motherboard.
Is Taichi + lower Ryzen + lower ram and option? Could upgrade to a better Ryzen2 in the future, hoping Asrock update the firmware.

Where are your system specs?
 
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If zen 2 isnt out yet then i prolly wont get it.

It's Zen+ that is around the corner (February). It's said to be at least 10% faster per core due to higher clocks ( and maybe more overclocking headroom too) , although I can't guarantee any of that.

Zen 2 is supposed to arrive in 2019 , a long time into the future although don't expect something revolutionary from Intel as well during this time.

Overclocking my already overclocked 8320 isnt gonna give me the performance of an i5-8400/r5 1600 or better. Its still lags way behind.

It wont , but is it really that bad so that you can't wait another 2 months ? Do keep in mind that with the 970 you're still mostly GPU bound , so upgrading to a new CPU might make a big difference here and there but overall don't expect that it'll be a night and day difference.
 
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I wont be upgrading my video card for atleast another year. I tend to skip a gen or two when i upgrade my gpu. I havent seen any proof that zen+/2 will be here in a month or two or even three. Usually you wilk see a review -or preview a month becore its released.
 
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Is the taichi worth the extra 50 bucks over the killer sli/ac? I know the vrm'S are better but is that the main difference. Specially if im gonna use my own sound card?

And after readig what you guys said, is the 3200 c14 that big of a difference over say 2400 c15?

Im getting closer to getting all the funds together. Saving a couple bucks here and there will speed up the process.

I can save about 100 bucks if i got killer sli/ac and 2400c15. With that i could get a corair 100i v2 or is that needed?
 
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Is the taichi worth the extra 50 bucks over the killer sli/ac? I know the vrm'S are better but is that the main difference. Specially if im gonna use my own sound card?

And after readig what you guys said, is the 3200 c14 that big of a difference over say 2400 c15?

Im getting closer to getting all the funds together. Saving a couple bucks here and there will speed up the process.

I can save about 100 bucks if i got killer sli/ac and 2400c15. With that i could get a corair 100i v2 or is that needed?

Hang on now, what CPU are you going to mix this with?

For memory, on Intel I'd say price/perf is optimal at 3000c16, 3000c15. 3200c14 is expensive mode for negligible gains most of the time. I would never pay more than 10% premium on faster memory compared to what is 'mainstream'. It just won't pay off unless you're benching/OCing primarily.

Generally, about the Taichi, its in the top row of high end boards in terms of VRM, features and quality. That said, nobody needs it, unless again, you're in the enthusiast bench/OC crowd. Out of the high-midrange boards for Intel CFL I would opt for the Fatality K6, or the Asus Prime-A.

Go lower (midrange), and the Extreme4 is a nobrainer - dont even consider the other brands unless they have something specific you really want because most of them cheap out on features or quality or are priced too high.

In the lowest segment, say around 100-120 EUR/dollar mark, get anything - just don't go for more than a mild OC on these boards.

AsRock has a really strong line up this year, on either AMD or Intel. MSI does not, Asus is hit or miss (and almost all boards above low end carry the Asus premium), same for Gigabyte, though they are more competitive on price vs features.
 
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Most likely getting the r7 1700

So Newegg has a sale right now and I can get the ASRock ab350 fatality and g.skill 2400 forte for under $275 shipped. Should I jump on that or hold off and get the ac/sli or Taichi and 3200?
 
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The faster memory is not worth it in my opinion. RAM it's already expensive enough as it is anyway.
 
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If you can hold off like 3 more months (like i am) then I would decide on your upgrade then, always wait for second gen ;)
 
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Yeah I think im gonna hold out till I get enough for at least the taichi and 3200 c14 ram. Even if it isnt that much of an upgrade, it will hold off the upgrade bug later and I wont regret not buying it later.
 
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So Taichi and 1700 got ordered. Ram will get ordered next. Just have to do some digging
 

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What higher core count can give you however is more consistent frame times and it ensures you're not going to have to upgrade anytime soon.

There are games that already hammer every core/thread you have available.

You've cherry picked your "evidence". One single-poorly optimized game, Assassins Creed, and the graph you posted is comparing a current gen AMD CPU to a two generation old Intel CPU isn't solid evidence. Go look at some benchmarks of more than one game with current gen AMD and Intel CPU's. Ryzen is not better for gaming than Intel. There are plenty of unbiased benchmarks to support that statement without cherry picking specific scenarios.

...if you really need to upgrade, the AM4 route will have multiple cpu generations on it, no need to constantly change board and cpu every 2 years.

There is Threadripper which has an upgrade path too.

Just because AMD said they would support AM4 until at least 2020, doesn't mean their latest and best performing CPU's will be fully supported by the motherboard you bought this year. Everyone who wanted a Ryzen CPU had to buy a new motherboard, too. Unless you plan on buying a new CPU in less than two years they both, Intel and AMD, have the same "upgrade path". Buy the best CPU you can afford and keep it for at least three years instead of wasting money buying the latest CPU when it comes out.
Threadripper is great for programs that can take advantage of high core and thread counts, but not for gaming. When more games take advantage of high core and threat counts that will change, but for today and the near future more games benefit from 4 higher clocked cores than 6+ lower clocked cores.

...actually my advice to OP was to wait for Zen+ , same core count , higher clocks and probably same price too

No consumer really knows what Zen+ is going to be and you don't have enough data to speculate on the specs, performance, or price. Furthermore if a person always waits for the next best thing they will always wait. There is no telling when Zen+ will be released or when it will be widely available at advertised prices. Zen+ could have the same price and availability issues as 8th Gen Intel CPU's and AMD RX Vega GPU's.
 
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There are plenty of unbiased benchmarks to support that statement without cherry picking specific scenarios.

Yep , like this one. If you would have read the comments properly instead of going full throttle on FUD you would have realized that benchmark was simply meant to show core scaling rather than Intel vs AMD.

Threadripper is great for programs that can take advantage of high core and thread counts, but not for gaming.

And who exactly cares and why would that be relevant at all ?

There is no telling when Zen+ will be released or when it will be widely available at advertised prices.

Mate give it up , there's even an article on TPU about it's release. And if you would read my comments (which you don't seem too keen on) you would have seen that I already said there are no guarantees with regards to the improvements Zen+ will bring.
 

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@eidairaman1 ..... @BobbyPDue this is not your own private chatroom, so the both of you will go away now and not come back here, take it to PM's rather than hijacking someone else's thread.
 
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Hey OP I also have an FX chip paired with the GTX 970 but few months ago I sold my FX&mobo and then switch on oldish X58 platform so like that I could keep also my memory,disks and GPU and it didn´t cost me nothing(I even earn few bucks:eek:)....to cut the chase yes FX bottlenecking that yours GTX 970 if you playing games in 1080p(or lower)and you probably know that,It´s nothing drastic but could go in range from 10%-30% in lost frames with the GTX 970...here bellow is my 3Dmark FireStrike result with the same GPU and different CPU´s

sasx.jpg

I guess with the Ryzen 1700 maybe you can gain even few frames more......
 
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You've cherry picked your "evidence". One single-poorly optimized game, Assassins Creed, and the graph you posted is comparing a current gen AMD CPU to a two generation old Intel CPU isn't solid evidence. Go look at some benchmarks of more than one game with current gen AMD and Intel CPU's. Ryzen is not better for gaming than Intel. There are plenty of unbiased benchmarks to support that statement without cherry picking specific scenarios.



Just because AMD said they would support AM4 until at least 2020, doesn't mean their latest and best performing CPU's will be fully supported by the motherboard you bought this year. Everyone who wanted a Ryzen CPU had to buy a new motherboard, too. Unless you plan on buying a new CPU in less than two years they both, Intel and AMD, have the same "upgrade path". Buy the best CPU you can afford and keep it for at least three years instead of wasting money buying the latest CPU when it comes out.
Threadripper is great for programs that can take advantage of high core and thread counts, but not for gaming. When more games take advantage of high core and threat counts that will change, but for today and the near future more games benefit from 4 higher clocked cores than 6+ lower clocked cores.



No consumer really knows what Zen+ is going to be and you don't have enough data to speculate on the specs, performance, or price. Furthermore if a person always waits for the next best thing they will always wait. There is no telling when Zen+ will be released or when it will be widely available at advertised prices. Zen+ could have the same price and availability issues as 8th Gen Intel CPU's and AMD RX Vega GPU's.
Except it’s already been annouced that Zen+ will launch Q2 2018 before April

likely March
 

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@eidairaman1 ..... @BobbyPDue this is not your own private chatroom, so the both of you will go away now and not come back here, take it to PM's rather than hijacking someone else's thread.

Sorry I can't, I get a prompt stating this.
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Either way I set him on ignore.

Anyways I can't wait to see how this rig turns out once finished
 
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Taichi came today, not bad since I paid for egg super saver. CPU wont be here for a week and Ill order the ram next week. Hoping to get this together before the windows upgrade program ends dec31.

Taichi looks amazing. for the ram im still tossed up between the trident z 3200 c14 and the trident z 3466 c16. Im pretty sure the later should be able to do the same as the 3200 just binned better?

I already sent in my invoice to beQuiet for the mounting adapter for my Dark Rock TF. Its rated for 220w so I should work great.
 

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Taichi looks amazing. for the ram im still tossed up between the trident z 3200 c14 and the trident z 3466 c16. Im pretty sure the later should be able to do the same as the 3200 just binned better?
@Johan45 might be a good reference for ram- afaik all(most?) GSkill c14 ram over 3200 is Samsung B die, which is preferred for Ryzen. My 3200 TridentZ sticks (c16) are Samsung E die and dual rank so they're topping out at 2933 (they'll do 3200 but not 100% stable when running full load long term)
 

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Taichi came today, not bad since I paid for egg super saver. CPU wont be here for a week and Ill order the ram next week. Hoping to get this together before the windows upgrade program ends dec31.

Taichi looks amazing. for the ram im still tossed up between the trident z 3200 c14 and the trident z 3466 c16. Im pretty sure the later should be able to do the same as the 3200 just binned better?

I already sent in my invoice to beQuiet for the mounting adapter for my Dark Rock TF. Its rated for 220w so I should work great.
You won’t see much benefits from 3466 over 3200
 
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I would be getting the 1700 through my works purchasing power program so I wont be paying alot up front out of pocket.
WTF is a "work purchasing power program"? Your workplace is giving you a credit?

I see you went for the 1700. Well... I'd wait for Ryzen+ like some suggested, but it seems you were in a hurry...
 
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WTF is a "work purchasing power program"? Your workplace is giving you a credit?

I see you went for the 1700. Well... I'd wait for Ryzen+ like some suggested, but it seems you were in a hurry...

Its a thing called Purchasing Power. Depends on where you work but alot of companies use it. What they do is charge you a little higher premium but it automatically come out of your pay checks. So I will be paying like 15 bucks a check over a year. I works for people like me who have 4 kids and never really get to save money. So its like credit but not credit. For me comng up with 300 to 400 hundered at a time is almost impossible. Ive been adding to my paypal every check and saving up to get what im getting so far. So now that ive got enough to get a board and ram, ill use that to get my processor. Now I can start stashing a little here little there again back in paypal so if the zen+ or zen2 is that big of a gain, ill save up for it and get. My boys are getting older and want to game with me so I can set them up with left overs.

My mom kicked down some money for christmas to help get my ram. so now im trying to decide what to by there.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?CompareItemList=147|20-232-407^20-232-407,20-313-712^20-313-712,20-232-530^20-232-530

these are my final selections. Is the team group warranty as good as G.Skill?

So far this is what my build looks like so far

CPU - Ryzen 7 1700 (On Order)
Cooler - Dark Rock TF (Already Own)
Mobo - Taichi x370 (Already Own)
Ram - Undecided
GPU - Gigabyte GTX 970 Xtreme Gaming OC (still an amazing card) (Already Own)
SDD - 960 Evo 500gb ( took it back out of my NUC and put the pm951 back in it), 840 pro 240gb(or 256gb not sure) Adata 240gb ssd, and WD 2tb green for storage (Already Own)
PSU - EVGA SuperNova 1000 or Corsair AX850 ((Already Own both)
Case - Corsair 400r with 2 x Corsair 140mm fans on top, 2 x Noiseblocker 140mm fans on door, 1 x Corsair 120mm fan on rear and 2 x stock 120mm in front (Already Own)
APU - not sure if I go with on board or stick to my X-Fi Titanium pcie 1x (Already Own)
 
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