Intel kills off the 10nm process - For real??????

[HTC]

https://semiaccurate.com/2018/10/22/intel-kills-off-the-10nm-process/

But what about this just two weeks ago?

If this is true and Intel is indeed killing off 10nm, then Intel is in a lot more trouble then even i thought.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Given by how this news is hitting every technews outlet -- Id say its 99.9% legit.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Given by how this news is hitting every technews outlet -- Id say its 99.9% legit.

Very doubtful. Seems like fear mongering created by well placed fanboys. Intel is working on an answer to Ryzen. They're as likely to give up on 10nm as the Sun is likely to stop shining tomorrow.

 

[dampflokfreund]

Or they are renaming it to 7nm, which makes sense since 10nm Intel process is on par with TSMC's 7nm. Better marketing

 

[ShurikN]

The plot thickens.

Given by how this news is hitting every technews outlet -- Id say its 99.9% legit.

Is looks to me that every major tech news site is quoting semi, and that article seems to be behind a paywall or smth.

 

[ppn]

Did they skip it, directly to 5nm.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I doubt it. Seems like fear mongering created by well placed fanboys. Intel is working on an answer to Ryzen. They're as likely to give up on 10nm as the Sun is likely to stop shining tomorrow.

You calling Charley a liar? On these kind of things, he's got a pretty good track record.

The plot thickens.


Is looks to me that every major tech news site is quoting semi, and that article seems to be behind a paywall or smth.

More like their servers got overloaded by the huge influx in traffic. Happens every time he breaks a story like this.

 

[ShurikN]

You calling Charley a liar? On these kind of things, he's got a pretty good track record.

It could also be some sort of stock price manipulation. We have no idea what's going on behind the curtains.

 

[Frick]

I won't read the article, but it's both plausible and far fetched. I many billions have they spent the last few years on this with essentially nothing to show for it? OTOH they have spent all that money so going back would mean a loss on everything. Large companies have gone in both directions in the past so it's hard to say what Intel will do now.

 

[TheLostSwede]

It could also be some sort of stock price manipulation. We have no idea what's going on behind the curtains.

Yeah, no Charley doesn't do that kind of shit, I can tell you that much. I know the guy pretty well and even worked for him for a while, so that's a big Nope! on stock price manipulation. He also wouldn't buy into some cheap rumours.

 

[newtekie1]

You calling Charley a liar?

Nobody should take anything Charlie says as the truth. He seems to spread just as much fud as he does accurate information. When we hear it from an actual Intel source, then I'll believe it.

 

[Frick]

He also wouldn't buy into some cheap rumours.

He has been the source of them though.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You calling Charley a liar? On these kind of things, he's got a pretty good track record.

Don't know who that is, don't care. Good track record or not, this supposed "leak" seems very dubious at best.

When we hear it from an actual Intel source, then I'll believe it.

Exactly. Until that point, it's just a bunch of fanboys fanboying..

The only way this would be plausible is if Intel has come up with a replacement for silicon as the base semiconducting substrate material and wouldn't need to push existing designs to lower scales of size. Their only viable option would be a silicon/arsenic hybrid compound or even silicon/tellurium hybrid. But unless they've made a breakthrough, that research is years, possibly decades, away.

 

[Vayra86]

Having a hard time buying this. The first question in my mind is: 'What will Intel do instead'. Its obvious Core is pushed to its limits by now...

 

[agent_x007]

I say they reached limit with skylake, and since then they are simply tweaking what is left.

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

Intel fans will be in denial if this is happening hehe. Honestly I think it is very real with all the trouble they have been having with it. Anyway, at least for the Desktop, AMD will have a superior process next year with their Zen2 cores on TSMC 7nm, and intel still on some regurgitation of their 14nm process.

I have always been a strong believer that Zen cores are architecturally at least as good as Skylake-based cores (if not better), and Zen2 will further that. So AMD may end up with an all-round superior processor design next year. Maybe even in the last bastion Intel has left for the desktop consumer - Gaming.

Can't help but be a little smug if this is true, even the Chipzilla bit off more than it can chew. The House of Cards is coming down.

 

[Sasqui]

There was another article a few weeks ago saying they'd keep chugging along with 14nm until TSMC can produce higher yields with 10nm. This same type scenario has played out with a few customers of TSMC's ... NVidia comes to mind.

Bottom line, they have some technical hurdles to overcome before 10nm is perfected in mass. So it's likely just a matter of time.

 

[Vayra86]

I have always been a strong believer that Zen cores are architecturally at least as good as Skylake-based cores (if not better), and Zen2 will further that. So AMD may end up with an all-round superior processor design next year. Maybe even in the last bastion Intel has left for the desktop consumer - Gaming.

+1 for that statement from me. The design is superior because it is so effective at using silicon and therefore cost effective / cheap for the performance it gives. That alone makes it so much stronger than Intel's offering and the difficulty of each new node only increases that lead. AMD has the margin advantage, and they can use that advantage to release on 7nm with lower yields than Intel would be able to accept for their 10nm process. That is beneficial for the entire product stack, because they can also release more functional dies = higher performance parts at lower price points.

Its not even about performance per se, but the performance per dollar from a cost perspective.

And yes, the smaller node will probably get those clocks up to where they need to be, for gaming, making Zen a truly sweet allrounder, the one we've always picked Intel for in the past. The refresh was already a step in the right direction.

 

[HD64G]

They might have skipped it and change their focus to 5nm by now. Never before a process has been so bad as Intel's 10nm and turned soon into a success. That means AMD will have a manufacturing advantage at least until 2020 imho.

 

[ShurikN]

They might have skipped it and change their focus to 5nm by now.

But what will they release in the meantime. 5nm wont come over night and 14+-/* just hit it's limit with 9900K.

 

[Vayra86]

They might have skipped it and change their focus to 5nm by now. Never before a process has been so bad as Intel's 10nm and turned soon into a success. That means AMD will have a manufacturing advantage at least until 2020 imho.

It would just be too ironic to see Intel's first 8 core mainstream part share the fate of AMD's FX, ushering in multiple years of complete stagnation...

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at that idea.

 

[Cataclysm_ZA]

The current thinking is that Intel will scale things back to a density increase of 2.4x over 14nm+++ instead of 2.7x as planned, which would mean that they could do something like call the new process "12nm", or similar. 7nm is still in the planning stages, and we'll have to see if they say anything about that in their earnings call. Intel's is in three day's time, AMD's is in two.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It would just be too ironic to see Intel's first 8 core mainstream part share the fate of AMD's FX, ushering in multiple years of complete stagnation...

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at that idea.

Made me laugh a little. Reminds me of the Pentium 4 days. That design was stagnating so bad the only thing they could do was to add a second die and call it a dual core. While that worked it was just a stop-gap solution until the Core/Core2 design released. The last 18 months are mirroring those same events. AMD forges ahead with a great performance lineup, and Intel answers later with a breakthrough. History seems to be repeating with a few interesting changes. Intel is working on an answer to Ryzen. You can bet your life on it. How good an answer it will be, who knows..

 

[bug]

Made me laugh a little. Reminds me of the Pentium 4 days. That design was stagnating so bad the only thing they could do was to add a second die and call it a dual core. While that worked it was just a stop-gap solution until the Core/Core2 design released. The last 18 months are mirroring those same events. AMD forges ahead with a great performance lineup, and Intel answers later with a breakthrough. History seems to be repeating with a few interesting changes. Intel is working on an answer to Ryzen. You can bet your life on it. How good an answer it will be, who knows..

If we're doing history lessons, Core was an evolution of the Pentium-M at the time. Would you venture a guess about where their next answer to AMD will be coming from?

And looking at things from a slightly different perspective, a rushed response followed by a more adequate one is what you always do when you get caught with your pants down. I mean, when Core hit, AMD had to regurgitate Bulldozer designs till they got to Zen. It's a pattern.

 

[Durvelle27]

I’ll believe it when I see more evidence

Intel has no other node to build upon and 14nm is at its limits with 9th gen

They have to produce something to maintain there market share