I thought tariff on China imports is only 10% until Jan 1 2019? Then it becomes 25%. How did you get 30%?
It was 30% ... then after complaints was dropped to 10% till after holidays ... then it goes back to 30% with some sources reporting 35% ... That's why I said "with tariffs **looming** here in US, heres' what we are facing [soon] " We already are being hit with the 10%
Sounds like a rant against tariffs more than anything else. Assembly labor was being done overseas long before any tariffs. I'd still build my own due to points 1 & 2 and system builder markups are typically much higher than the temporary 10% tariff.
If you want to call it a rant, be my guest if ya makes ya feel better. But if you want to be accurate and stay within the stated focus of the post, it's solely about the reverse logic as it relates to the application of tariffs on this industry and this community. While the tariff stategy as a whole is questionable, that has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is about "why tariifs are being applied to PC parts and not entire PC's ?"
1. What effect will a tariff on parts have ? Logically a tariff is supposed to have the effect of encouraging the consumer to by an alternative made product. How does that tariiff do that ? Please go to PCpartpicker and make us a list off 100% made in USA products so we can all do the right thing.
2. How does making entire PCs exempt from a tariiff serve to promote "Buy American" ? If anything, it's going to promote buying ONLY from companies that do NOT make anything here.
The tariff as applied here does the exact opposite of what tariffs are intended to do.
1. It's not creating American jobs, it's eliminating them
2. It's taking purchasing power out of the hands of consumers resulting in them buying less.
Over the last month i saw +20% (over then 10%), then + 25% then + 15% ...
building your own still makes financial sense... even if you buy a dell, you're getting a super crappy motherboard, no OC potential, bad PSU that cant support upgrades, and a case that looks like it belongs in a school library.
Dell, especially in laptops, will make some perty hi end stuff ... not what you find at Best Buy but the intent here was to address any major box builder... let's face it most PCs sold wind up in offices and and I don't see how exempting them from tariffs fits the role of tariifs.
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Same here,
political smear this topic is...
And yet, your only response is to attack the messenger ... only because the facts are unassailable. I'll give ya another shot .... care to address the facts this time ? If it 's smear, you should be easily able to refute it with a logical factual response.
1. I have orders for 6 new builds after people get their tax refunds. I want to support the American economy so can you list the companies I can buy the MoBos, SSDs, SSHDs and GFX cards from ?
2. Can you explain why exempting full built PC's should be excemp from the tariffs ? How many jobs will this create ?
Its never been cheaper to DIY. Not unless your buying used. Large companies buy in bulk and use cheap parts. A small PC business cannot complete with the big outlets like Dell and HP. They have to do better work using premium parts and customs builds
I'm directing the question to the forum audience here .... which for the most part bulds their own PCs... but there is also Cyberpower and all the other US businesses who will be crushed by this. How does Cyberpower and all the other custom builders compete when they and they alone are subject to a 25% penalty ? What happens to all the people they employ.
The guy from Long Island complaining about component prices?? My 8700k is more valuable than a month of rent for this studio that I live in.
I live out in farm country in a 200 year old dairy bar, I'm semi-retired, no mortgage and drive a 13 year old car and co-signed on $180k of college debt. Why shouldn't having to spend 30% extra be a concern for me ?
This need not be political. Thats all I was saying. However comments like this assure it most certainly will be... please keep them away.
Agreed. The concept of tariffs as a whole was never brought up. The duality and reverse logic of selectively applying tariffs to only parts was. Tariffs have a specific function. If you want to accomplish that intended function, then:
1. Don't lay the tariffs on the products that will kill the American tech industry and reduce jobs; want to create more jobs then Cyberpower gets no tariffs since the build products here... just like the auto industry does.
2. Lay the tariffs on companies that are using 100% Chinese labor instead of American Labor
3. Putting a tariff on products that are available only from one source serves no purpose. What's the game pan here... Keep increasing the tariff until US companies build fab plants here ? What do we do in the interim ?
What can we do about it ? There's no defense here, as we have already seen there is not one economic argument that makes sense other than Dell, HP and company have some linked in lobbyists. But if this starts to be talked about by the mainstream media, I see both sides of the aisle questioning the logic here. Reverse the applicability here, (tariff on assembled PCs / no tariff on parts) and everything makes sense again.
I think the topic is interesting. And ironical in a way too.
Financially interesting to DIY PCs it was not really ever, though, was it? DIY PCs were never really cheaper than a store bought OEM box. I remember my parents buying one at the local supermarket one time, cheapest they could find for what it offered.
It is if we talking apples and apples ...same parts list, to the letter
1. I build myself
2. I give local store the parts list and they build it for me for $125
3. I buy from Computrade, CyberpowerPC or any other company that build PCs here in the states.
i could only dream of such power , think I was rocking a cyrix 286 homebuilt tatty thing with if i recall at that time.
No way, go look at alienware's prices, or any pre built high end machine. Insane prices compared to home built.
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