Ryzen 3000 listed online early on russian site.

[EarthDog]

Indeed. I clearly think it isnt "dog breakfast". Lol.

That laptop also has an ssd upgrade.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's got to be quite an individual statement ,that i mean, i consider any system running it's Os on HDD to be antiquated now but I'll admit they are not useless, but they are to me, genuinely hate working on them.
So a ok machine to you ,might not seem ok to me and vice versa.

The latest 3.5" 7200 and 10k rpm drives are very smooth. Once into Windows you really don't notice much difference between them and SSD's

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The latest 3.5" 7200 and 10k rpm drives are very smooth. Once into Windows you really don't notice much difference between them and SSD's

They have massive caches, they have not increased platter read speeds that much and while I understand your point im not typically asked to test the web browsing ability or word processing features of customers PC's, I have waited so freaking long for something to happen all told ,you cannot convince me they're not poor.
I held back their because i can't get that life back it angers me.
Stop being tight ,buy an ssd they are £20

 

[cdawall]

I was going to say the same thing... my 5th gen 2c/4t can do those things. No buffering issues with YT or twitch while I'm plugging away in excel, word, paint.net...wordpress via the web. It isnt the fastest thing, but, I wouldn't call it dog doo either.

I have played with quite a few things on mine without issue. I actually like the little IRIS pro fella my 4258U has.

Is it a work computer or a personal computer. Not sure if it's because the file sizes I work with are between 15MB up to 30MB plus. There's also a lot of corporate BS Installed running in the background.

Yea I used it as a work machine when I ran a school a while back have two of them one is a late 2013 MBP with a i5 4258U/8GB/512GB SSD which did everything without an issue. The other a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga with a i7 5500U/8GB/512GB SSD/500GB SSD. Both handled excel documents that were massive as well as quickbooks etc. That being said I did not have anything running in the background on either.

 

[Metroid]

Any software nowadays consume way more cpu than used to be, hence why people need more cores because software developers are going in that direction, yes, it is that simple. I myself have been stuck for few weeks with a celeron G3930, 2 cores, 2 threads, firefox opened with many tabs working and guess what 69% or almost 1 core and half and is only firefox, opening an audio player and using it, consumes more 3%, that is already 72% and this is without any backgrounds services of any kind, most things on windows 10 are manually disabled. All the games I have tried with it were maxed out, some months ago i was playing with a i7 4770 and was impressed how software changed to accommodate the more cores philosophy. i7 4770 was not quite like the G3930 but still few things maxed out the 8 threads. The way things are going, devs are using the more core the more room procedure a lot more often, before software used to be more efficient, i dont see that happening anymore. The only drawback I see is people with processors with less than 4 cores, 4 cores will not be enough in not a distant future and the way things are, I see it will get worse from here on.

Also I remember when I bought the i7 920 in the end of 2008, the only thing that could run all 8 threads at once was a chess boardgame and that was a test game. The only there was at that time. Soon game engines like unreal or havoc will be using all 8 cores or 16 threads by default.

 

[xkm1948]

Wait what? Why are discussing HDDs now?


Anyway looks like 12C24T might be the final form of RyZen 3XXX flagship this round.

 

[Mussels]

Because large core count systems are now becoming normal, we should see a boom in multithreading support in larger game engines

 

[lexluthermiester]

Stop being tight ,buy an ssd they are £20

Oh I have many, just saying that if I had no other choice, using an HDD as a boot drive again would be doable.

 

[EarthDog]

Because large core count systems are now becoming normal, we should see a boom in multithreading support in larger game engines

well... steam shows like 80% of users are on a quad or less. 10% hex core and more cores was 1% or significantly less. I'm not sure where you're drawing the line with large core counts though. They (hex) have been around for 8 years and little adaptation... sweet spot is a hex + ht imo.

 

[Vya Domus]

Don't worry, those statistics are about to dramatically change up in a year or two. There's still going to plenty of weak laptop CPUs around skewing those numbers, but on the desktop things are changing, rapidly. Just in the past year alone most people that I know have stepped up to either an 8 core or a 6 core.

 

[cdawall]

Don't worry, those statistics are about to dramatically change up in a year or two. There's still going to plenty of weak laptop CPUs around skewing those numbers, but on the desktop things are changing, rapidly. Just in the past year alone most people that I know have stepped up to either an 8 core or a 6 core.

How many hundreds of thousands of people do you know? That's what it is going to take to change the steam survey.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm sure we will. I have to wonder how fast the take up will be though. 10% share in eight years I wouldn't call quick. I'd also expect it to swell from the hex on up. The rise of the quad to its status wasn't quick either.

 

[cdawall]

I'm sure we will. I have to wonder how fast the take up will be though. 10% share in eight years I wouldn't call quick. I'd also expect it to swell from the hex on up. The rise of the quad to its status wasn't quick either.

Correct it took a very very long to time usurp the dominance of the P4

 

[Vya Domus]

That's what it is going to take to change the steam survey.

We'll see, the entry point has been lowered dramatically. Hell even 6 core CPUs in laptops have started to become commonplace at the ~1000 dollar price point. Those weren't even a thing a year ago, there's a big shift happening as we speak.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Consoles have been using 8 threads since xbone and PS4, this isn't a trend that will go away (don't be surprised to see a AMD 8c/16t PS5 or xbox next gen) for all those saying 4c/8t has been enough for many years... it has been that way since AMD couldn't compete and that's all Intel released aside from HEDT so yes, games have been geared around quad cores for 10 years cause there wasn't anything else available to the masses (HEDT is a niche). Besides you don't have to compile software to use 100 threads, soon the OS will assign as much CPU power spread across as many threads as needed to any game/software. This is already starting to happen with Windows 10, though granted it still needs some work.

 

[EarthDog]

I thought Amd brought out the first hex core like 8 years ago in the phenom II x6. It was also more affordable per core than Intel at the time. Its issue was being slower though.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I thought Amd brought out the first hex core like 8 years ago in the phenom II x6. It was also more affordable per core than Intel at the time. Its issue was being slower though.

Correct, the problem was that phenom II was already struggling with the intro of C2d/c2q and just didnt have the ipc to keep up so the PII x6 was a feeble attempt to try and keep up with Intel's superior architecture which it didn't and then came nehalem and well.... the rest is history so to speak as the core i series blew away everything AMD had and continued to do so for the next 5-6 years or whatever.. Thank god for Ryzen.

 

[cdawall]

We'll see, the entry point has been lowered dramatically. Hell even 6 core CPUs in laptops have started to become commonplace at the ~1000 dollar price point. Those weren't even a thing a year ago, there's a big shift happening as we speak.

Doesn't change what I said. It will still take time for that to shift. Remember even after C2Q was released the most common CPU for steam was a P4HT. That lasted for like 5-10 years. Weeding out all of the quad cores will be much of the same thing. People are still buying 4 core chips as we speak to add onto the ones that already have them and will not be upgrading for 3-5 years.

 

[Metroid]

Consoles have been using 8 threads since xbone and PS4, this isn't a trend that will go away (don't be surprised to see a AMD 8c/16t PS5 or xbox next gen) for all those saying 4c/8t has been enough for many years... it has been that way since AMD couldn't compete and that's all Intel released aside from HEDT so yes, games have been geared around quad cores for 10 years cause there wasn't anything else available to the masses (HEDT is a niche). Besides you don't have to compile software to use 100 threads, soon the OS will assign as much CPU power spread across as many threads as needed to any game/software. This is already starting to happen with Windows 10, though granted it still needs some work.

This, it needs a lot of work from Microsoft in order to make windows 10 efficient on handling threads, software devs know multi threading their things is not easy, time consuming, very problematic, lot of bugs on the fly that could occur, hence why steam in not a instant future will only support windows 10 that has this update, steam is not supporting windows xp or vista anymore and soon windows 7 is dead as well.

 

[SL2]

"Tech journalists say Ryzen 3000 series will not use Rome's new chiplet design"

Dunno if this has been posted, or how much salt is required. If true, we don't have to worry about those kind of latencies.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tech-...t-use-Rome-s-new-chiplet-design.392016.0.html

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just in the past year alone most people that I know have stepped up to either an 8 core or a 6 core.

I'm seeing this trend as well for about the last 18 months. Ryzen has been a big part of that.

I thought Amd brought out the first hex core like 8 years ago in the phenom II x6. It was also more affordable per core than Intel at the time. Its issue was being slower though.

Intel was first to market with the Hex core, the Xeons.

 

[phill]

I agree, even thought I bought a 5960X before Ryzen released, all that I will promise to buy myself now is Ryzen 7 or 9 CPUs. If I go the Threadripper route, it will be a just because.

AMD have come on miles and I've nothing for respect for them. That and the fact I really wouldn't hold back buying one now. I just look forward to TPU getting the review samples through, I hope it all goes the way we all hope (or dream if it's not too strong a word...) it's going to go for them.

 

[EarthDog]

Intel was first to market with the Hex core, the Xeons.

Talking mainstream/hedt here... not server/xeon/opteron.

 

[Vario]

Correct, the problem was that phenom II was already struggling with the intro of C2d/c2q and just didnt have the ipc to keep up so the PII x6 was a feeble attempt to try and keep up with Intel's superior architecture which it didn't and then came nehalem and well.... the rest is history so to speak as the core i series blew away everything AMD had and continued to do so for the next 5-6 years or whatever.. Thank god for Ryzen.

The Phenom II was comparable and in some cases better than C2Q. It was the Phenom that was behind. Phenom II x4 was released 2009 x6 2010, C2Q was released 07. Phenom (one) was released 07. The C2Q didn't intro into Phenom, Phenom was after C2Q.

 

[Vayra86]

Doesn't change what I said. It will still take time for that to shift. Remember even after C2Q was released the most common CPU for steam was a P4HT. That lasted for like 5-10 years. Weeding out all of the quad cores will be much of the same thing. People are still buying 4 core chips as we speak to add onto the ones that already have them and will not be upgrading for 3-5 years.

Spot on. Core count increases are best applied very slowly. I'm totally not seeing the use of more than 6 cores at this point for consumer rigs. Software optimizes around the mainstream anyway.